CCW permit as ID

[bigalexe]

If it is the "policy" of an organization to copy your personal identification, then the organization has a problem. Policy does not supersede the law. Some places believe they are above the law.

To this poster I would point out that several doctor's offices around the area ask to photocopy your DL along with your Insurance cards for records. Its the easiest way for them to get all the information they need to verify your identity. Also presenting your DL is REQUIRED in Michigan (although State ID or DNR Sportscard is also accepted) for the purchase of hunting and fishing licenses so they can scan it through their machine (looks like a credit card scanner and prints licenses).

What REALLY upsets me isnt handing over my Driver's License but when things ask for my SSN. I recently was required to give my SSN to the company that administers the ACT test so I could take a test as part of an employment program through the state. In addition my SSN had to be on any time sheets I turned in (in order to get paid) to Michigan Works so they could be properly routed. Now handing it to the government isn't too bad but the fact that time sheet went through my boss at my worksite, the supervisor at the college facilitating the program, any courier from the college to the local Michigan Works office, and various hands at that office, then onto the people who actually paid me is what bugged me. In case you didn't count; thats 4 different people that got to look at my full legal name and my SSN, at least I didn't turn it into my assigned job coach and add another person to the list.

Also SSN is required for some cell phone contracts as a way to "verify identity".

 

[Five-O]

I doubt he was actually carrying at the time. I don't think a Utah CCW is any good in Cali.

I mentioned that in a follow-post.

I have a valid California CCW, and used it as a second form of ID to rent a carpet cleaner once. The clerk had no problem with it, and yes, she knew what it was. Believe it or not, some parts of CA are rather gun-friendly.

You do? Ok, so that means that you must carry a lot of money, like to the bank, etc. *Or* you are a Hollywood celebrity. No?
Ok, that means you are buddy-buddy with the Sheriff of the county you live in, no? Ok, I give up. I know it's *extremely* hard to get a CCW permit in CA. Mind if I ask how you managed it?
I assume you live out in the "boondocks" because I know that it's near impossible to get a CA CCW in cities such as SF, Oakland, SJ, LA.
I think.

 

[2RCO]

I have used mine for ID, in a bank of all places while I was carrying. The lady didn't blink an eye and I guess never put 2 and 2 together.

I think you'll find most Banks have a CCW permit listed as an appropriate form of Primary or Secondary Identification. I've been out of banking for a couple years but we trained our people that when someone that isn't a customer comes into cash a check then we needed 2 forms of ID and a CCW permit was one of the preferred forms.

 

[chuckusaret]

I have accidently shown my CCP and the clerk stated their policy was a drivers License only.

 

[The Wiry Irishman]

I was in the UK a couple weeks ago, and when checking out of the hotel, the clerk wanted to see something with my signature on it to verify the one I put on my receipt. I briefly considered handing her my carry permit to see what hilarity would ensue, but decided it would be more responsible to hand her my drivers license.

 

[wally]

In Texas, unless they changed the law last session, the CHL specifically is not an ID. You must carry your ID (DL usually) along with it

As to clerks, the CHL should not be considered an ID, but I've had plenty of store clerks happy to take my gym ID card good enough. Any wonder why identity theft or check and credit card fraud is not rocket science.

--wally.

 

[rhinoh]

At my job we use "purchasing cards" which look just like a Visa card but are somewhat different somehow.
Anyway- I used to use my manager's card all the time, I can't tell you how many times I used his card with his name and was asked for ID. The clerk would look at my ID and look at the purchasing card and 9 times out of 10 never say a word, even though the names were obviously different!
The few times they caught it I explained it was my manager's card and they were OK with that
Never had a purchase denied. No wonder card fraud is so rampant.

 

[13.45]

most places that ask to see a photo ID hereabouts will accept any gov't-issued photo ID

 

[Dave in PA]

How about making your own ID card. Print a picture out, with whatever information you want to go with it, a siganature line and then laminate it. When someplace asks for ID, hand it to them, just to see if it will pass muster. I would not suggest this with a LEO for obvious reasons. Reminds me of a Shoe comic where one of the characters is asked for photo ID. He snaps a polaroid of himself and hands it to the clerk, says "That's me"

 

[Erik M]

In the state of Kentucky any county courthouse will issue you a State ID card from the same office that issues Drivers Linceses. It looks exactly the same as a drivers license.

 

[luzyfuerza]

Just don't try to use it to pass through security at an airport...

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/acceptable_documents.shtm

Effective June 21, 2008, adult passengers (18 and over) are required to show a U.S. federal or state-issued photo ID that contains the following: name, date of birth, gender, expiration date and a tamper-resistant feature in order to be allowed to go through the checkpoint and onto their flight.

Passengers who do not or cannot present an acceptable ID will have to provide information to the Transportation Security Officer performing Travel Document Checking duties in order to verify their identity. Passengers who are cleared through this process may be subject to additional screening. Passengers whose identity cannot be verified by TSA may not be allowed to go through the checkpoint or onto an airplane.

Acceptable IDs include:

U.S. passport
U.S. passport card
DHS "Trusted Traveler" cards (NEXUS, SENTRI, FAST)
U.S. Military ID (active duty or retired military and their dependents)
Permanent Resident Card
Border Crossing Card
DHS-designated enhanced driver's license
Drivers Licenses or other state photo identity cards issued by Department of Motor Vehicles (or equivalent) that meets REAL ID benchmarks (All states are currently in compliance)
A Native American Tribal Photo ID
An airline or airport-issued ID (if issued under a TSA-approved security plan)
A foreign government-issued passport
Canadian provincial driver's license or Indian and Northern Affairs Canada (INAC) card
Transportation Worker Identification Credential (TWIC)
Non-US/Canadian citizens are not required to carry their passports if they have documents issued by the U.S. government such as Permanent Resident Cards. Those who do not should be carrying their passports while visiting the U.S.

This standardization of the list of accepted documents better aligns TSA with other DHS components, including Customs and Border Protection, and REAL ID benchmarks.

Click here to view samples of acceptable documents (PDF, 159 KB).

 

[NavyLCDR]

And here I thought all you concealed carry guys were paranoid about people knowing!

 

[DougW]

In California a few years ago, the Avis gang at LAX wanted 2 forms of ID. Gave them my Texas DL and CHL. Raised some eyebrows, which was a good thing!

 

[Yosemite Sam]

Little known facts, but making ID a "condition of acceptance" violates the Visa merchant agreement between Visa and the merchant. DO NOT BE A SHEEP. DO NOT SHOW ID. This also applies to MasterCard. Discover and AMEX have their own policies as well.

When a clerk asks to see ID for a signature credit card transaction, REFUSE. As long as the back of the card is signed with your signature ("CHECK ID" actually makes your card invalid and the merchant has every right to deny your card because by accepting an unsigned credit card they forfeit their fraud protection, and so do you.)

Call 1-800-VISA-911. Ask specifically to "file an incident report" and give the reason as "Merchant demanded a picture ID." Fact is, the merchant can ask for ID but not require it. If they require it, leave the dang store.

As both a former cashier (part time jobs in college) as well as a former finance sheep, I didn't know this. I've done the whole "CHECK ID" on the back of my credit cards. I've also demanded customers show ID. But I'm wiser now about contract violations. It ticks me off how many businesses still demand ID and go "It's for your protection!" That's complete bull -- you're already protected from fraud. Asking ID 1) wastes time and holds up the line. Time is money, and the company loses profit. 2) violates your privacy and personal liberties.

Your driver's license licenses you to drive a car. It is NOT a "credit card license." The credit card BY ITSELF is enough. The only thing a cashier can do is compare signatures on both your card and on the receipt. If they suspect fraud, they have a phone number to call (called a "Code 10" call -- Google it).

Sorry, but I'm on a mission to politely educate people about this major and ubiquitous nasty practice of businesses demanding photo ID for credit card signature transactions.

I wouldn't use my CCW as ID, but I wouldn't show ID in the first place. This is a nasty uphill battle until both 1) customers, and 2) merchants understand all the fine print in credit card agreements. STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS. You'd be surprised how this widespread ignorance can get a customer kicked out of a store. I've never been kicked out, but I've had to go on 5 minute lectures and put my food down. Yet it's impossible to use logic and facts to cashiers and managers when they don't give a damn!

Reminds me of the RKBA arguments sometimes. Too many sheeple. Not enough facts.

 

[OurSafeHome.net]

Just don't try to use it to pass through security at an airport...

I've used my Florida CCW License several times as ID when passing through the TSA checkpoint. Once the old guy on duty asked me to verify that I didn't have a weapon with me, other than that, no problems!

 

[ezypikns]

I've done it a couple of times accidentally.

Once here in Texas where I was asked to submit my DL instead.
The best was at Mesa Verde National Park in Colorado. Didn't mean to but showed my CHL to the young college kid selling tour tickets. He got really excited and told me he he was going to get a permit as soon as he was legally able, then apologized and asked me for my DL anyway.

 

[Floppy_D]

I've used a VA CHP permit as proof of address several times, to include business on a non-CHP friendly college campus. A few folks showed some interest in what it took to obtain aforementioned permit. One of those folks is now a happy CHP-holding THR member. It's a great pro-2A recruiting tool.

 

[Five-O]

Yosemite Sam said:

Little known facts, but making ID a "condition of acceptance" violates the Visa merchant agreement between Visa and the merchant. DO NOT BE A SHEEP. DO NOT SHOW ID. This also applies to MasterCard. Discover and AMEX have their own policies as well.

You are absolutely correct Sam. I have known about this policy for years! The other day I went to Macy's to buy a pair of Rockports that were on sale. The clerk asked to see ID after I handed her my Visa CC. I refused, saying that Visa did not require an ID as long as my sig was on the card. she called her supervisor who said I had to show ID. I told the clerk to tell her to read the Visa agreement. She said that Macy's had that policy and it did not matter what Visa said. I wanted to quote the Visa policy but I did not know the exact rule and I really wanted the shoes so I had to relent.
btw, on a similar note, the rule of showing your sales receipt as you exit a store is another one I don't abide to. The other day I made a large purchase at Fry's Electronics and as I left the cashier she said, "just show your receipt at the door." "I never show my receipt at the door as it is not legal, if they think I shoplifted, let them arrest me." I said. At the door I ignored the request to show the receipt and just walked out. The checker did nothing. (this does not apply at Costco as it is a membership store and when you join, you sign an agreement that you will show your receipt when exiting the store)

 

[Vector]

Whether you want to use it as ID is a personal choice, but it should always be accepted as a valid form of ID. In Florida you need a FBI background check, so it is harder to obtain than a DL.

Of course with Big Bother starting to mandate REAL ID(i.e. a national ID card) so that state DL's require all sorts of ID's such as SS #'s(which they cannot legally compel you to provide). However the states that sign on (I think 23 have opted out so far) will either compel you to provide the various ID's, or not be issued a license which is absurd. The idea behind the REAL ID is to make it a Federally acceptable for of ID to get into Federal buildings and the like. The catch of course is that they are trying to mandate that you cannot fly internationally on commercial airlines without it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act

 

[John E.]

I'm going with kingpin's theory...

I'm going to second kingpin's theory that the at-or-near minimum wage clerk didn't really care too much about the details.

Plastic card - looks official - has a picture - kind of looks like this guy - whatever

 

[mljdeckard]

Here's a funny one:

I sometimes have to enter a government facility through the front door and surrender a form of I.D. in exchange for their temporary badge. I usually give them my Utah driver's license, but once I gave them my CFP just for fun. They said they couldn't use it. I asked why, and they said that it didn't meet their standards for having been verified. I said; "Lemme get this straight. You will accept my DL, which I recently renewed and changed the address on without any verification or paperwork of any kind, but my CFP, which is run through a background check DAILY isn't verifiable?" They told me that this was correct.

 

[Dravur]

One of the things we did for a psychology class I took was this...

This was at a time when people used to write actual checks to stores. We took one of the black students in the class and borrowed his ID. We also gave him a white students ID.

We then tested the theory that clerks really dont look at the ID. We were pretty sure they only wanted to know if you had ID and they were far more concerned with what Boy George was doing rather than their jobs.

And we were right. We would send both people into the store, one white and one black with each others IDs. 9 times out of 10, if they were asked for an ID and flashed the other person's ID, the clerk glanced at it and completed the sale.

So, im just going to get me an ID of an Eskimo. Ill bet it passes the test.

 

[LRaccuracy]

bigalexe:

To this poster I would point out that several doctor's offices around the area ask to photocopy your DL along with your Insurance cards for records. Its the easiest way for them to get all the information they need to verify your identity. Also presenting your DL is REQUIRED in Michigan (although State ID or DNR Sportscard is also accepted) for the purchase of hunting and fishing licenses so they can scan it through their machine (looks like a credit card scanner and prints licenses).

I can't imagine having a doctor's office demanding anything except your insurance card if you want the insurance company to pay for it. You may have to pay for services up front but they still have to file the insurance forms.


The hokey thing about an organization doing anything other than LOOKING at your credentials are that they cannot verify if your DL or other ID is valid. Copying numbers from your credentials will leave you open to fraud. In some States there are laws which prohibit taking your picture for record such as the doctor's office unless expressed written permission is given.

I challenge anyone and everyone who wants my ID and especially if they are coping my ID. If it is their "policy" to copy your ID and you will not let them and services are withheld, that can be argued as a Civil Rights violation.

I recently was required to give my SSN to the company that administers the ACT test so I could take a test as part of an employment program through the state.

Social Security numbers are not required by law. I don't have one and I refuse to get one.

Because of where I work I carry an ID with my agency seal, my name and my picture. NO NUMBERS on my ID. You can look at it but you can't copy it. If someone is unhappy with that and refuses services, they are the one with the problem.


Know your rights when it comes to your personal information. Cops don't copy your personal ID, so why should anyone else?

Ask the person(s) that want to copy your credentials under what authority do they have the right to copy your credentials.

That is saying what LAW gives you the right to copy my ID. In your State they may have that right .... but KNOW YOUR RIGHTS!

 

[snowboarder]

i attended Obama's town hall meeting last weekend where they required photo id to enter the facility. in hinsight, perhaps i should have used my ccw.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

Alabama CWP doesn't have a photo on it but it is acceptable as ID at the polling booth.