Jeremy2171
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Yes they can quite fun when decked out with the goodies!
Century Romanian AES-10B, courtesy of ClassicArms.us
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Very good looking guns guys.
Need you guys as neighbors when fuel in near-future gets to $6/gallon etc and things steadily unwind. Could follow behind you to the local gas stations with long lines of cars as people become truly anxious (the activity at Ammoman/AIM INC etc is nothing compared to true panicked hoarding which could easily take place: a single Arabian (Persian) Gulf airstrike, etc. It happened recently in Syria, but luckily too far away). Will protect your "6 o' clock" with my SKS and Minis
. Guys here mostly have hunting rifles, at best.
Off the point, but hasn't Romania agreed to cut back to a large degree their AK exports, in order to be allowed into NATO etc?
I heard this in January from a retired Navy officer, and read it in personal interviews with one of two ammo distributors in an article.
I seriously doubt that a former Soviet 'protectorate' wants to be outside of the NATO umbrella very long, but could be mistaken, if short-term cash revenue is too tempting.
Need you guys as neighbors when fuel in near-future gets to $6/gallon etc and things steadily unwind. Could follow behind you to the local gas stations with long lines of cars as people become truly anxious (the activity at Ammoman/AIM INC etc is nothing compared to true panicked hoarding which could easily take place: a single Arabian (Persian) Gulf airstrike, etc. It happened recently in Syria, but luckily too far away). Will protect your "6 o' clock" with my SKS and Minis
. Guys here mostly have hunting rifles, at best.Off the point, but hasn't Romania agreed to cut back to a large degree their AK exports, in order to be allowed into NATO etc?
I heard this in January from a retired Navy officer, and read it in personal interviews with one of two ammo distributors in an article.
I seriously doubt that a former Soviet 'protectorate' wants to be outside of the NATO umbrella very long, but could be mistaken, if short-term cash revenue is too tempting.
Thin Black Line
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When you have a lemon...make lemonade...or buy an orange
Yes, the shavings issue is universally bad. I hope everyone who gets one of
these is likewise checking out their barrels prior to shooting. Mine had plenty
of shavings trapped under oil and gunk in the bore and required brushing to
loosen up and remove. Solvent patches alone will not bring this to the
surface.
First off, please read this:
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=359052
Now for an update on mine which was one of the last ones from the first
batch imported a few months ago. I widened the magwell area of the
receiver (especially back toward the mag-catch) and polished the trunion
area where the bolt enters it from the receiver rails. I went back out
shooting again and started off by emptying a 75 rd drum to finish polishing
my work --no problem w/ fmjs.
I was able to shoot some different chinese and romanian drums and these
functioned flawlessly w/ fmjs (feeding from left side). A friend had issues w/
both 30 and 40 rd mags w/ hps. These consistently hanged up on the right
side. I had 5 30 rd mags that the rifle consistently liked to function with
when fed fmjs, but inserted a romanian 40 rd mag which had no issues in a
jugo rifle and the AES hiccuped 1/2 way thru --two different times running
through. After some more firing the rifle will function w/ about anything (fmj,
hp, sp) from any of the 3 drums (however, there is some nose deformation
w/ hp & sp). I've come to the conclusion I probably need to carefully
balance out the grinding and angle of the magwell area to make things more
consistent. However, at this point it works well w/ 3 drums and five 30 rd
mags. I've shot a lot of ammo thru it and wil be moving on to a different rifle
soon for practice.
Accuracy varied thanks more to inconsistent Wolf ammo than anything else.
I used a Russian PO 3.5x20 Compact Weapon Rifle Scope w/ German Post
Reticle on a Russian scope mount and had no problem getting 4-6" at 100
yds w/ a flier that would widen it out even more. My particular PO had a
lens grinding job which must've been done by a taste-tester at the Stolichnaya
bottling plant. I have a nicer Belorussian 8x which I might try in the future
just for curiosity. In any case, a switch to Silver Bear and the rifle did 4-5"
groups w/ no fliers. This was from a warm-hot barrel and 1000+ rds of
milage.
I really didn't find this AES any more accurate than many shorter AKs considering
that I get 6-8" groups w/ the same ammo and open sites on a hot barrel jugo,
mak, thumbhole romie, and <3" w/ a scoped 16" Arsenal.
IMHO the AES didn't offer anything positive in trade for its cost in weight and
length. Well...there is that Red-Dawn-chicks-dig-it-factor...rest assured that
this rifle will be on the rack for barter at the TBL Bunker if the post-peak-oil
collapse happens anytime too soon.
I often buy more than one kind of rifle as I shoot them a lot and then trade,
sell, give to friends later. Although I've made this particular rifle work, I will
not be buying another AES-10B in the future. I seriously question that
Century is actually test-firing all these rifles after they're "completing" their
own magwell work on them --let alone cycling 30 rds of dummy ammo
through the actions based on the shavings alone. However, considering that
the rifles are made in Romania, maybe the original manufacturer also has
some quality control issues w/ the RPK series?
Yes, the shavings issue is universally bad. I hope everyone who gets one of
these is likewise checking out their barrels prior to shooting. Mine had plenty
of shavings trapped under oil and gunk in the bore and required brushing to
loosen up and remove. Solvent patches alone will not bring this to the
surface.
First off, please read this:
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=359052
Now for an update on mine which was one of the last ones from the first
batch imported a few months ago. I widened the magwell area of the
receiver (especially back toward the mag-catch) and polished the trunion
area where the bolt enters it from the receiver rails. I went back out
shooting again and started off by emptying a 75 rd drum to finish polishing
my work --no problem w/ fmjs.
I was able to shoot some different chinese and romanian drums and these
functioned flawlessly w/ fmjs (feeding from left side). A friend had issues w/
both 30 and 40 rd mags w/ hps. These consistently hanged up on the right
side. I had 5 30 rd mags that the rifle consistently liked to function with
when fed fmjs, but inserted a romanian 40 rd mag which had no issues in a
jugo rifle and the AES hiccuped 1/2 way thru --two different times running
through. After some more firing the rifle will function w/ about anything (fmj,
hp, sp) from any of the 3 drums (however, there is some nose deformation
w/ hp & sp). I've come to the conclusion I probably need to carefully
balance out the grinding and angle of the magwell area to make things more
consistent. However, at this point it works well w/ 3 drums and five 30 rd
mags. I've shot a lot of ammo thru it and wil be moving on to a different rifle
soon for practice.
Accuracy varied thanks more to inconsistent Wolf ammo than anything else.
I used a Russian PO 3.5x20 Compact Weapon Rifle Scope w/ German Post
Reticle on a Russian scope mount and had no problem getting 4-6" at 100
yds w/ a flier that would widen it out even more. My particular PO had a
lens grinding job which must've been done by a taste-tester at the Stolichnaya
bottling plant. I have a nicer Belorussian 8x which I might try in the future
just for curiosity. In any case, a switch to Silver Bear and the rifle did 4-5"
groups w/ no fliers. This was from a warm-hot barrel and 1000+ rds of
milage.
I really didn't find this AES any more accurate than many shorter AKs considering
that I get 6-8" groups w/ the same ammo and open sites on a hot barrel jugo,
mak, thumbhole romie, and <3" w/ a scoped 16" Arsenal.
IMHO the AES didn't offer anything positive in trade for its cost in weight and
length. Well...there is that Red-Dawn-chicks-dig-it-factor...rest assured that
this rifle will be on the rack for barter at the TBL Bunker if the post-peak-oil
collapse happens anytime too soon.
I often buy more than one kind of rifle as I shoot them a lot and then trade,
sell, give to friends later. Although I've made this particular rifle work, I will
not be buying another AES-10B in the future. I seriously question that
Century is actually test-firing all these rifles after they're "completing" their
own magwell work on them --let alone cycling 30 rds of dummy ammo
through the actions based on the shavings alone. However, considering that
the rifles are made in Romania, maybe the original manufacturer also has
some quality control issues w/ the RPK series?
I didn't say anything of the sort, I said I considered bump-firing or rapid fire purposeful abuse but I should have been more specific because I mean that as it applies to MY firearms. If you want to bump or rapid fire yours, I have no objection.
I literally get a picture of the barrel eroding in my mind's eye if I rapid fire one of my rifles. It's just something I don't want to do.
Thin Black Line
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In 1991 a $260 (retail out the door with tax) new chinese mak-90 when adjusted
for today's inflation is $411 --about the wholesale of today's AES-10B. Normally,
I wouldn't toot the horn in favor of the chicom, but....
In any case my point is to bring attention to quality control on this model
which should still be in line with its brothers and cousins.
for today's inflation is $411 --about the wholesale of today's AES-10B. Normally,
I wouldn't toot the horn in favor of the chicom, but....
In any case my point is to bring attention to quality control on this model
which should still be in line with its brothers and cousins.
Thin Black Line
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LOL, but Romania doesn't beat China in standard of living. When you see
black and white news films about agriculture in Europe and there's people
going down dirt roads in ox carts that's actually 2008 BBC video....
black and white news films about agriculture in Europe and there's people
going down dirt roads in ox carts that's actually 2008 BBC video....
I understand your point and I'm not really in the habit of doing much rapid fire myself, but it is an RPK and they really were designed with the intention of being bullet hoses. That's why they went with the heavy barrel, receiver, bipod and super high cap mags and basically I'm just wondering how well they fill that role in their semi-auto form.
In my experience, it's easier to make hits on targets at a distance with a machinegun. You start your burst at the base of the target and fire about 8-10 shots and more often than not in my experience those silhouettes would go down. The group size was probably horrendous, but that's not really the point. I'm wondering just how feasible it is to do the same thing with a semi-auto though or would the repeated trigger movement and relatively slower rate of fire make it impractical?
I would imagine this rifle could put rounds on target very fast and very efficiently, since as you say, that is it's designed purpose. If you fit this rifle with a good optic, that would make it all the better.
I'd like to get this setup for my rifle from Kalinka. The rail is already on the rifle.
Kobra Military Red Dot Weaver Rifle Scope, Screw Mount
POSP/PSO AK/AKM Side Mount to Weaver Rail w/ Black Finish
I'd like to get this setup for my rifle from Kalinka. The rail is already on the rifle.
Kobra Military Red Dot Weaver Rifle Scope, Screw Mount
POSP/PSO AK/AKM Side Mount to Weaver Rail w/ Black Finish
NetJunkie
Member
Why buy a weaver mount and a weaver sight instead of the sight w/ the integrated mount for your rifle?
NetJunkie
Member
Yes, but you can buy the Kobra with the mount. Buying one and then putting it on a Weaver is going to make it even higher.
NetJunkie
Member
Nope. Can't with any of those mounts that sit it over the bore. You can get a left-offset PK-AS red dot. I had one of those for a week and really didn't like it.
The mount I have pictured allows use of the irons. I have a POSP scope that also lets you see the irons. That's the only downfall of those low mounts. Granted if something goes wrong, its only a quick throw of the lever to remove the low mount and you have your irons back.
I decided to modify my safety into a bolt hold-back. Didn't do too badly, if I do say so myself. I think I'm going to grind the back at an angle, so that pulling the bolt back will cause the safety to drop (to the full auto position, if only there were no NFA or ATF). Every gun in the world with a built-in BHO is made so pulling back on the bolt/slide allows it to return forward, if the mag is loaded. Dunno, though. If I do that, the safety loses almost all value as a dust cover.
And this time I took the 3 seconds to set up the tripod and use macro focus.
And this time I took the 3 seconds to set up the tripod and use macro focus.
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Well I had my AES-10B out to the range today. Went through just 120 rounds and had flawless functioning. Accuracy was just what you would expect from a Century build using Golden Tiger ammo. 6 to 8 MOA...
I was a little disappointed and was hoping for better. I was using a POSP scope as well and the rounds just wander. That POSP scope doesn't work that well with the club foot stock, not nearly enough LOP on the rifle for that scope. A red dot would be much better.
Well I had my AES-10B out to the range today. Went through just 120 rounds and had flawless functioning. Accuracy was just what you would expect from a Century build using Golden Tiger ammo. 6 to 8 MOA...
I was a little disappointed and was hoping for better. I was using a POSP scope as well and the rounds just wander. That POSP scope doesn't work that well with the club foot stock, not nearly enough LOP on the rifle for that scope. A red dot would be much better.
Thin Black Line
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Be thankful that yours functioned right out of the box...I prefer not to have
projects and would rather just shoot.
However, if this ends up being the last batch in then the price will be up
400% this time next year.
projects and would rather just shoot.
However, if this ends up being the last batch in then the price will be up
400% this time next year.
I do consider myself fortunate because the first thing I did with this rifle after deburring and cleaning was refinish it before even firing a single shot. I was _hoping_ it would work so I didn't have to send it back to Century but I figured I have a nice set of hammers myself and would be able to fix it just as well as Century, barring any kind of major malfunction.
I got even luckier with my WASR 10. It's a better shooter and has never hic-cupped.
I now see your point about this rifle not giving anything back besides aesthetics for its heavy weight and unwieldiness a little more clearly. I can also understand why some guys have cut the carry handle and taken off the bi pod.
Thin Black Line
Member
I prefer the carry handle and bipod with full drums.
MD_Willington
Member
FYI: ClassicArms soaked one of the buyers at the AK Forum for $60 shipping on their AES-10B... just watch out for that if you buy one from them.
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