Chicago Moves Quickly to Replace Previous Ban Ordinance

[MisterMike]

It's not pretty (of course, we expected nothing less). This has already been passed by a City Council Panel, two days after the McDonald decision:

The details:

*Under Daley's ordinances, handgun owners would need to register all their guns with the city so police know how many weapons are in each home, and would also be required to have a valid Firearm Owner's ID card.

*It requires firearms training, both in a classroom and a firing range.

*Chicago residents would be able to register no more than one handgun per month for each adult in a home. The ordinance "generally prohibits the possession of a handgun by any person except in the person's home," according to a city news release.

*Only one firearm can be kept in immediately operable condition in each home. Other guns must be broken down or have trigger locks in place.

*Assault weapons are banned, as is the possession of ammunition by anyone who does not have a valid FOID card and registration for a gun of the same caliber.

*Applicants must be at least 21 years old, unless a parent signs for a child age 18 or older.

*To protect the city against costs for a lawsuit in case a police officer shoots an armed person while responding to a home, Daley also said the city will pursue legislation at the state and federal levels granting liability immunity for first responders and the city.

*The ordinance bars anyone from possessing a handgun outside a home, which excludes garages, outdoor areas, hotel rooms and group-living quarters.

*Would-be gun owners must take a training course with a minimum of one hour on the range and four hours in the classroom before obtaining a permit to a keep a weapon in the home.

*The ordinance prohibits sawed-off shotguns, assault weapons and “unsafe” handguns.

*It also requires guns kept in homes with minors under age 18 to be secured when they are not in the possession of the owner.

*Penalties for not complying with the proposed law range from $1,000 to 90 days in jail.

*And, as proposed by powerful Ald. Edward Burke, 14th, the new ordinance would create a gun-offender registry to be posted on line by the police department. Anyone convicted of unlawful use or illegal possession of a weapon would be required to register with the police for a four-year period.

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2010/07/daley-unveils-gun-control-plan.html

 

[Zoogster]

*Only one firearm can be kept in immediately operable condition in each home. Other guns must be broken down or have trigger locks in place.

The wife or you can be armed, but not both!

I guess you have to decide if you want a handgun, rifle, or shotgun before the bump in the night, because the other firearms will be unusable.

The larger the home or more people that live in it, the worse the effect.

*To protect the city against costs for a lawsuit in case a police officer shoots an armed person while responding to a home, Daley also said the city will pursue legislation at the state and federal levels granting liability immunity for first responders and the city.

"We will shoot you because we don't like you armed, and we are taking steps to shield LEO and the city from responsibility for their actions."

Wonderful sentiment there.

*The ordinance prohibits sawed-off shotguns, assault weapons and “unsafe” handguns.

What does Daley and friends consider a "safe" handgun?

I guess having an "unsafe" handgun, or more than one firearm ready for use in the home, or... would then make this apply to you:

convicted of unlawful use or illegal possession of a weapon would be required to register with the police for a four-year period.

*Assault weapons are banned, as is the possession of ammunition by anyone who does not have a valid FOID card and registration for a gun of the same caliber

I guess a conversion barrel/upper etc is an unregistered gun then, or purchasing ammo for it is impossible?
Does that also then count as illegal possession of a weapon?
Or do you get the expense of registering it, and it counting as your monthly purchase?

 

[MisterMike]

Maddening. I haven't seen the exact verbage, but I'm sure it's even worse than described in the article. Most maddening to me is the idea of exempting the City from liability if they kill someone who's exercising their Constitutional rights and even if they're fully in compliance with the City's law. That's nice, isn't it?

 

[Wastemore]

Keep pushing the law abiding around, sir.

 

[CoRoMo]

Nope, this doesn't quite smell like freedom yet. At the very least, residents like Mr. McDonald will now have the means to protect their homes, but the city was obviously dragged 'kicking & screaming' to extend this bit of "liberty" to the public.

 

[stchman]

Daley is retarded.

How does he think new "regulations" are going to stop criminal activity when the criminals completely disregard the old regulations?

Wait a sec, criminals always abide by "new" regulations.

 

[labhound]

Daley is an idiot. This will wind up in the SCOTUS with Chicago losing again!

 

[gunnutery]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/01/mayor-daley-lays-strict-gun-rules-chicago/?test=latestnews

The ordinance, which Daley urged the City Council to pass, also would :
-- Limit the number of handguns residents can register to one per month and prohibit residents from having more than one handgun in operating order at any given time.
-- Require residents in homes with children to keep them in lock boxes or equipped with trigger locks.
-- Require prospective gun owners to take a four-hour class and one-hour training at a gun range. They would have to leave the city for training because Chicago prohibits new gun ranges and limits the use of existing ranges to police officers. Those restrictions were similar to those in an ordinance passed in Washington, D.C., after the high court struck down its ban two years ago.
-- Prohibit people from owning a gun if they were convicted of a violent crime, domestic violence or two or more convictions for driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs. Residents convicted of a gun offense would have to register with the police department.
-- Calls for the police department to maintain a registry of every handgun owner in the city, with the names and addresses to be made available to police officers, firefighters and other emergency responders.

I don't know the exact verbage either but the way I read the bolded print above, it would apply to each resident (i.e. each resident can have one working handgun available). If the court affirmed that we have all have a right to own guns to protect ourselves, then Chicago cannot limit working handguns by the household, they can (appearantly) only limit it to each resident, IMO.

 

[Wastemore]

You guys don't get it..
Passing a new law requiring the people to abide by the old law is the answer. It's obvious the old law wasn't as lawful as the new law,which will be obeyed because it's the law.

 

[CoRoMo]

I always find it frustrating that a lot of folks on our side actually believe that the gun-grabbing fascists have good intentions at heart; that those anti-freedom control freaks actually believe the regulations/restrictions exist to affect crime. It may be what they say, but wake up. Don't be so friggin' gullible.

They know criminals didn't follow the old laws. They know criminals aren't going to follow the new laws. They know that the only people who follow either, are the innocent and honest law abiding residents. They know all of this.

 

[Zoogster]

*Would-be gun owners must take a training course with a minimum of one hour on the range and four hours in the classroom before obtaining a permit to a keep a weapon in the home.

*It requires firearms training, both in a classroom and a firing range.

Whatever they put on paper may also be much nicer sounding than what is actually implemented in the process.

This is a city that has sworn to intentionally make it as difficult as possible, and reduce the number of people who legally become armed as much as possible.

Trick questions on tests. Questions with doublespeak, where saying yes means no, and are confusing.
Arbitrary numbers of rounds that must be fired, making it expensive to some if it requires a large round count.

etc

I am reminded of some requirements of some sheriffs (like some trying not to issue permits) in California to obtain a carry permit.
A requirement to show up multiple separate times in the middle of the week during typical work hours. (For a meeting in which to demonstrate good cause to even be considered, then a course, then some other stuff etc.)
Typically at a moment's notice when the sheriff department says they have a day available, with a week or more between each visit.
The result of course is that only those with a certain level of freedom in their jobs (a certain demographic of society itself) would be able to leave work with little notice several times over a few week time span.
And that was just the process to apply, with non refundable fees or "deposits" if turned down.




Maybe Chicago wants you to take the safety course at 2am or 1 pm, the written test one night, and the shooting test another?


How many people will have paperwork misplaced, lost, need to resubmit applications...Arbitrary time limits to complete step 5-20 of the process, before the person must go back to step 1.



D.C. has highlighted how successful they have been at keeping most people disarmed.


It is the literacy tests all over again (used to deter voting), except it is not blacks targeted, but every regular peasant.

 

[Deanimator]

It is the literacy tests all over again (used to deter voting), except it is not blacks targeted, but every regular peasant.

It's CHICAGO, it's VERY much aimed at Black people.

 

[wriggly]

Daley will eventually follow his old man, and have a fatal stroke soon enough. Burke will follow along with Hizhonor to the great beyond. The tide of change has hit the country, and the people will eventually persevere against his moronic tyranny. As elitest as he and his minions may seem, there reign will end eventually. God and Nature dictate it.

I live in this goofed up state, but thankfully, the town I live in has no such retrictions. I can walk about my property with a gun on my side with no fear of reprisals.

Ritchie Daley.....ebeybody is wrong except him.

 

[ming]

The only good thing I can say about Burke is that he said the two home owners who shot intruders recently should get a medal.

 

[Manco]

*Only one firearm can be kept in immediately operable condition in each home. Other guns must be broken down or have trigger locks in place.

Not exactly consistent with the individual RKBA, is it? Is it unethical or truly a crime to disregard laws that disregard higher laws themselves?

*To protect the city against costs for a lawsuit in case a police officer shoots an armed person while responding to a home, Daley also said the city will pursue legislation at the state and federal levels granting liability immunity for first responders and the city.

Looks like a license to kill to me, especially when combined with a database of gun owners. I guess armed citizens are to be considered pariahs who are unworthy of equal protection, huh?

*The ordinance prohibits sawed-off shotguns, assault weapons and “unsafe” handguns.

Maybe every gun except for the Remington Type 3 .41 Rimfire derringer will be listed as unsafe. Good luck finding live ammo for it!

*And, as proposed by powerful Ald. Edward Burke, 14th, the new ordinance would create a gun-offender registry to be posted on line by the police department. Anyone convicted of unlawful use or illegal possession of a weapon would be required to register with the police for a four-year period.

For what purpose besides harassment, I wonder?

 

[mm1ut1]

How can Chicago support what is in essence a dictatorship?

 

[SSN Vet]

So just what kind of people actually live in Chicago and put up with this stuff?

Tax the rich and give to the poor and then make sure there's a lot more poor who will let you do whatever you want, so long as they get to keep on collectin'

Chicago is moving right up there with San Francisco on my list of places to never go back to.

 

[Badlander]

How can Chicago support what is in essence a dictatorship?

It's Chicago! Mrs. Olierys cow had the right idea.

 

[Old Shooter]

^ Because the Dictators are in charge.

 

[mm1ut1]

Guess I'll take the ferry to Michigan next time I go to Camp Perry.

 

[TexasRifleman]

How does he think new "regulations" are going to stop criminal activity when the criminals completely disregard the old regulations?

If you think Daley is anti gun because he thinks it will reduce crime you have been very much misled.

Gun control isn't about crime, it's about control.

So just what kind of people actually live in Chicago and put up with this stuff?

People who depend on entitlement programs to survive. They can never vote against the hand that feeds them.

As a side note, I bet they had this thing written months ago knowing full well they would lose the MacDonald case.

 

[mm1ut1]

NRA should call for a boycott of Chicago.

 

[EugeneInNC]

We all expected this. If there is a bright side to this it would have to be that 2nd ammendment rights have gained a lot of strength in the past two years with the help of Chicago and DC. Some parts of the law mentioned above may not stand up in court. I think they are just trying to see how far they can push it. That may be a good thing in the long term for 2nd ammendment rights.
Eugene

 

[WardenWolf]

Those new regulations won't hold up in court because they're violating the right to bear arms of any other adults in the house.

 

[mack]

This too will be ruled unconstitutional - the USSC obviously sees self-defense as the core of the protected right which they describe as fundamental - therefore it is clear that the bearing or carrying of firearms for self-defense will be recognized as part of the right - I really would like to be in the room with Daley when he finds out that not only do citizens have the right to a handgun in their home but they also have the right to carry one outside the home for self-defense. The first press conference after that should be a wonder to behold.