Phil DeGraves
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Yes, the "helmet factor" always raises one's situational awareness to artificial levels.
Chuck Taylor on Competition.
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Phil,
I know what you mean. During a recent training session the hardest thing was to not expect getting ambushed. You knew when it was your turn.
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My take on it:
I have attended some competition and some training. I'm a rookie at both. I also know guys that have "Been There / Done That" (confirmed) and train others. I have convinced some shooters to come out to their first match this year.
The competition will at least open most shooters eyes. Meaning don't judge a book by it cover. There are some guys there you would not think could shoot if you saw them out somewhere. The speed is about 2x what most good shooters are used to. Waiting for reactions on reactive targets, the Draw and gun manipulations probably being weakest points. All this is pretty convincing and the conclusion is "I don't really have the skills to survive a gun fight". Most go on to analyze what would be better approaches to self defense and seek out some training to that end. Even Hand to Hand and edged weapons. None of the guys think competition is the end all be all, but recognize it is a good way to compare and gauge there performance in certain aspects. Some let the pressure of competition get to them.
At least it is a new dimension to our shooting. We are transitioning from the square range and getting some formal training. Doing something is better than doing nothing, even it is just a confidence builder or eyeopener.
Later,
WNTFW
I know what you mean. During a recent training session the hardest thing was to not expect getting ambushed. You knew when it was your turn.
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My take on it:
I have attended some competition and some training. I'm a rookie at both. I also know guys that have "Been There / Done That" (confirmed) and train others. I have convinced some shooters to come out to their first match this year.
The competition will at least open most shooters eyes. Meaning don't judge a book by it cover. There are some guys there you would not think could shoot if you saw them out somewhere. The speed is about 2x what most good shooters are used to. Waiting for reactions on reactive targets, the Draw and gun manipulations probably being weakest points. All this is pretty convincing and the conclusion is "I don't really have the skills to survive a gun fight". Most go on to analyze what would be better approaches to self defense and seek out some training to that end. Even Hand to Hand and edged weapons. None of the guys think competition is the end all be all, but recognize it is a good way to compare and gauge there performance in certain aspects. Some let the pressure of competition get to them.
At least it is a new dimension to our shooting. We are transitioning from the square range and getting some formal training. Doing something is better than doing nothing, even it is just a confidence builder or eyeopener.
Later,
WNTFW
Phil DeGraves
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The same thing could be said about police qualifications.
The same thing could be said about police qualifications.
This kind of discussion can go round and round! And does.
We all have opinions, mine is based on teaching for 25 years! People who go armed at work, ATM/Armored car/Police/Tactical units/and Instructors of those groups.
And in the area of reacting to danger, instantly! I spent 5 years as a Doorman (Bouncer) in Clubs in Liverpool UK, 4 years at the Cavern of Beatle fame 1960 to 64, and year 1965, at the Blue Angel, on Seal Street.
In those years we fought long hard and often! Getting stabbed twice smartened me up as well! Of the men I worked with probably around ten or fifteen over the 5 years, three where violent instant reaction individuals, basically nut cases, George, Larry, and me!
Instant aggression seems to me to be a gift, not able to be taught, improvements yes, but the one of a kind instant attack, person?
No thats a gift.
This kind of discussion can go round and round! And does.
We all have opinions, mine is based on teaching for 25 years! People who go armed at work, ATM/Armored car/Police/Tactical units/and Instructors of those groups.
And in the area of reacting to danger, instantly! I spent 5 years as a Doorman (Bouncer) in Clubs in Liverpool UK, 4 years at the Cavern of Beatle fame 1960 to 64, and year 1965, at the Blue Angel, on Seal Street.
In those years we fought long hard and often! Getting stabbed twice smartened me up as well! Of the men I worked with probably around ten or fifteen over the 5 years, three where violent instant reaction individuals, basically nut cases, George, Larry, and me!
Instant aggression seems to me to be a gift, not able to be taught, improvements yes, but the one of a kind instant attack, person?
No thats a gift.
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