City of Chicago asks on twitter "HOW DO WE GET ILLEGAL GUNS OFF CHICAGO STREETS?"

[leadcounsel]

I read through many of those Tweets - all feel good baloney.

 

[Blue .45]

This is a story which ran in August. It might help explain the increase in gang violence Chicago is seeing this year.

Mexican drug cartels fight turf battles in Chicago

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57499523/mexican-drug-cartels-fight-turf-battles-in-chicago/

Riley is special agent in charge of the Drug Enforcement Administration Office in Chicago and in four neighboring states.

"One of the hardest jobs I've had in the past couple of years is to convince our law enforcement partners that we need an enforcement mentality as if we're on the border," Riley said.

Miles away, Riley says, Mexican cartels have a significant influence in Chicago's gang violence problem.

 

[Neverwinter]

Addressing the causes of crime are not as simple as gun laws, and the people who continue to claim that as true should be ashamed of themselves. They should also be supporting those other laws which actually affect the factors contributing to crime, if they actually believe in lowering crime rather than controlling and punishing people.

 

[jim goose]

Chicago's problems run deep. Its an intensely corrupt city. It the only city outside of the 3rd world, where Ive witnessed someone buy there way out of a traffic ticket. No amount of laws will be effective when the city is rotten at the core.

I woke up to a home invader entering my bedroom once, went for my dinky buckmark in my closet and he fled. There were huge hand prints on the window which he entered through, and they refused to even print them. There was also a serial rapist in the neighborhood back then. Probably him. Anyway, the cop suspected i kept a gun, i admitted it, and he told me to get rid of it. I guess both the serial rapist and I should both thank him. No way I ever live in cook county again.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Did you think that maybe the cop was the serial rapist?

Why else would they not take prints?

 

[phil dirt]

hso says, "Simple response to a complex problem is to remove the socioeconomic drivers for violent crime." I would prefer the way they probably do it in Saudi Arabia, remove the gangbanger's trigger finger on both hands!

 

[CZguy]

It's a interesting social experiment. Let it continue, it'll be interesting to see how it turns out.

 

[jbrown50]

Chicago doesn't have a gun problem, they have a gang problem and that's the issue that needs to be addressed.

And...the gangs run drugs for the drug trafficers who then pay the necessary percentage to the mob who then kick back money through various "fronts" to the politicians who then disarm the non-criminal citizenry to protect their interests.

The problem isn't guns or so called "illegal guns". The problem is the corrupt government officials.

 

[Onward Allusion]

TNboy
Well they could start by disarming all of the politicians that think that they are above the law.

For those who may not be aware of this, in Illinois, aldermen, mayors, and even park district commissioner are considered conservators of the peace and therefore are allowed to carry (i.e. everyone on the Chicago City Council, including the Mayor Rahm can and do carry). Can you say - sanctimonious hypocrites?

 

[hang fire]

Chicago like all inner cities controled for decades by a certain political party has resulted in packs of feral human animals roaming the streets and taking over. The powers that be know what the problem is, but refuse to address said problem.

 

[Neverwinter]

Chicago like all inner cities controled for decades by a certain political party has resulted in packs of feral human animals roaming the streets and taking over. The powers that be know what the problem is, but refuse to address said problem.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

 

[Shadow 7D]

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

Yeah, kinda
but that in and of itself is an attack of gross oversimplification

 

[Neverwinter]

Yeah, kinda
but that in and of itself is an attack of gross oversimplification

That is up to hang fire to clarify. He may have just been making a correlative observation, and not have inferred any causation.

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[Shadow 7D]

If, you wanted to have fun with it, you could look into the origin of the bans, and into the first Daley and his known views and those...
but lets not go there, cause the usually ends with people getting called racist.

Unfortunately the dependent class is the laboratory of social policy.

 

[Specs]

Illegal??? Deport 'em. (guns to KY that is.

 

[Fatelvis]

Wow Chicago, do you really have to ask? What did the other 49 states do that eliminated that problem? Hmmmmmm.

 

[hang fire]

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

Giving valid examples would be akin to saying one does not like Obama, and then being labled a racist.

 

[Neverwinter]

Giving valid examples would be akin to saying one does not like Obama, and then being labled a racist.

That doesn't clarify anything about your earlier post. What did you mean?

 

[hang fire]

If you have to ask the question, doubtful you would understand the answer.

 

[Neverwinter]

If you have to ask the question, doubtful you would understand the answer.

No one had to ask the question, it just seemed fair to give you a chance to backtrack on your post hoc ergo proper hoc fallacy.

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[vito]

One factor not yet mentioned is that despite the fact that IL law makes no provision for anyone to carry a concealed weapon, members of the Chicago City Council are permitted to do so. The city leaders, such as the mayor, have armed bodyguards. The councilmen and councilwomen can carry, and in some cases have been provided round-the-clock police bodyguards. So those who have the power to make changes are already protected and they obviously don't give a damn for the rest of the citizenry. Living in IL is barely tolerable for me; living in Chicago would be unthinkable.

 

[Trent]

I'm with Vito here.

My Sheriff put his thoughts on Chicago very bluntly when I spoke to him. He'd testified before the state government committee as a proponent of concealed carry. We won the committee. We failed the legislature vote. Every Chicago politician voted it down, and they collectively have enough clout to stop any home-rule laws from being passed state-wide.

As long as we have Chicago politicians acting in unison, we won't get concealed carry. It's worth mentioning the rest of the state outside of Cook County *unanimously* voted for concealed carry (to the best of my recollection). But we can't get it to go through.

Because of Chicago.

I'm with my Sheriff. Sell the damn city off to Canada.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

I'm with my Sheriff. Sell the damn city off to Canada.

I propose we give Chicago, Detroit and San Francisco to China, to pay off our debt -- provided they dig those cities up and take them home with them.

 

[Deanimator]

One factor not yet mentioned is that despite the fact that IL law makes no provision for anyone to carry a concealed weapon, members of the Chicago City Council are permitted to do so. The city leaders, such as the mayor, have armed bodyguards.

What part of "THEIR lives are IMPORTANT, yours ISN'T." don't you understand?

You exist SOLELY as a revenue producer and as such are COMPLETELY expendable. Actual tax PAYERS are a consumable resource.

 

[Trent]

Threads linking this article have been closed, so I'll continue the discussion here. (If I missed this somewhere else, lemme know):

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/...ling-violence-tax-on-guns-and-ammunition.html

"Cook county mulling violence tax on guns and ammunition"

Drawing the ire of the gun lobby, Cook County Board President Preckwinkle is eyeing a violence tax on guns and ammunition sold in the city and suburbs, the Chicago Sun-Times has learned.

Such a tax alone wouldn’t close a $115 million budget gap in 2013, but it could at least funnel money into the county’s $3 billion operation — where roughly two-thirds of the budget pays for both the county’s public health clinics and two hospitals along with the criminal justice system that includes the courts and jail.

In related news, there are two bills sitting in the state legislature proposing an ammunition tax state wide.