I am looking into getting into shooting EIC pistol leg matches. I have a Springfield loaded 1911A1 and a Beretta 92FS. As I read the rules my 1911 would not qualify because it has a beaver tail safety, extended mag well, and wrap around grips. The grips are not a big deal but i dont want to take the other stuff off. What about trijicon night sights? If some one could shed some light on the rules and maybe even post a pic of the gun they use in this competetion, I would appreciat it. Also, I will post a pic of mine as soon as I resize the photo.
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I think you are pretty much out of luck with that pistol until you change pretty much those things you have already pointed out. Extended mag well, wrap around grips, beaver tail, and also the night sights.
Regarding the night sights, I know of no one who uses them. Everyone, just about, I'd say, uses adjustable. The rules on the sights say gather or enhance light is prohibited. I am pretty sure that "emits" light would also fall under the prohibited category as well. See page 35
http://www.odcmp.com/Competitions/Rulebook.pdf
So unless you are okay with getting a few parts you are stuck with the Beretta.
Or keep the one you have and get a Hardball gun from someone. Here is one from Les Baer.
http://www.lesbaer.com/CMP.html
Pricy. But, all semi-custom, full custom Hardball Bullseye guns are. Some nicer parts and a lot of labor costs. And....a guarantee of performance at 50 yards of 3 inches or less.
Regarding the night sights, I know of no one who uses them. Everyone, just about, I'd say, uses adjustable. The rules on the sights say gather or enhance light is prohibited. I am pretty sure that "emits" light would also fall under the prohibited category as well. See page 35
http://www.odcmp.com/Competitions/Rulebook.pdf
So unless you are okay with getting a few parts you are stuck with the Beretta.
Or keep the one you have and get a Hardball gun from someone. Here is one from Les Baer.
http://www.lesbaer.com/CMP.html
Pricy. But, all semi-custom, full custom Hardball Bullseye guns are. Some nicer parts and a lot of labor costs. And....a guarantee of performance at 50 yards of 3 inches or less.
Mike OTDP
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I'd also seriously consider having the Beretta rebuilt into a CMP service pistol gun. There are a few gunsmiths who can do it.
One of my Hardball guns was built by David Sams, (over in Centerville VA I think)
He has also built two Berettas for a couple of shooters that I shoot with. They are both nice. They got them just to have. Takes about just shy of a year to get them from David however.
I bought my Hardballs all second hand from shooters that used them a bit and then gave sold them to me. (my thinking is they don't get the heavy use that wadcutters do.) Still, they don't drop much in resale value either, so crazy good deals in Hardball pistols are not easy to come by.
He has also built two Berettas for a couple of shooters that I shoot with. They are both nice. They got them just to have. Takes about just shy of a year to get them from David however.
I bought my Hardballs all second hand from shooters that used them a bit and then gave sold them to me. (my thinking is they don't get the heavy use that wadcutters do.) Still, they don't drop much in resale value either, so crazy good deals in Hardball pistols are not easy to come by.
Justin
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It's been awhile since I've paid attention to the EIC stuff, but I was under the impression that getting a Beretta up to snuff for hardball matches generally cost a lot more than doing the same for a 1911.
Has that changed in the last couple of years?
gb0399 said:
If you are asking what that means, it is just saying that CMP requires for EIC matches that one uses a pistol that has been used in the Armed Services; i.e. the 1911 or 92 Service pistol that has not been. modified beyond what is allowed. (A service pistol that meets CMP match rules.)
@ Justin, it is also my understanding that the labor costs for a 92 are higher than a 1911 to get to Bullseye quality. However, that said, I have heard from several anecdotal sources that a 9mm once accurized can reach tighter groups than a 1911. (But then again you are shooting a Beretta so who cares?
)I have a Beretta 92FS that I can barely hold on the paper at 50 yards, let alone shoot for groups...I've never shot it in competition. The only time I ever shot an EIC match was with another competitor's highly customized/accurized 92FS. Sights, barrel, slide-to-frame-to-barrel fit, trigger, grips--the works.
I've heard that another local shooter (this guy is edging into the High Master class if he isn't there already) took a box-stock 1911 (can't remember what brand) and picked up leg points with it in an EIC match last year or the year before.
Every EIC gun I've seen has been accurized in some way.
I've heard that another local shooter (this guy is edging into the High Master class if he isn't there already) took a box-stock 1911 (can't remember what brand) and picked up leg points with it in an EIC match last year or the year before.
Every EIC gun I've seen has been accurized in some way.
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