College Student Sues School for...

[Crab Man]

That was the point I was trying to make, it sounds really bad from the newspapers version but what really happened. The story is from a main stream newspaper so I think to even base any opinion from it is content is unrealistic.

What "main stream newspaper" are you talking about? The first post is from what the people at icarry.org have posted on their website.

 

[sam59]

My mistake.

Your right, it was a press release, my mistake. Since it's there own press release then it makes sense how they worded it. A little more fuel for the law suit.

 

[eastwood44mag]

I hope he wins, but strongly doubt that he will

 

[Kim]

Oh heck our past if full of people purposely doing things to make a statement. Rosa Parks was not some poor black woman who just decided on her own to do what she did. She purposely did so with others in tow to file the lawsuit. The ACLU does this purposely all the time. Roe of Roe v Wade was a plant in that case. Most of the great cases you think were just some poor little person doing something were really planted persons who had the legal backing already in place with their carefully crafted law suit just waiting to be jump started. That is the way the GAME is played. Reality and what one is taught is two different things. There are always shackers and movers behing the scene. Even to the point of being able to pick what Judge the case is going to be argued to.

 

[gunsmith]

when holsters are outlawed

an empty holster is only a threat to idiots and ego driven authoritarians!

 

[The_Ferret]

Just really quickly...

Some of you SERIOUSLY need to go read the whole story before talking about media accounts and "what really happened." This whole affair was posted on this forum when the gentleman was first detained. The whole story was written out. Before you talk about how he was "wearing an empty thigh holster" or "demanding to see the chief," you should go and read it. If it is not readily available, I'm CERTAIN one of the persons here will be able to furnish it or point you to it (Possibly on the icarry site). Once you have read the original story, please return to comment on this development.

-The_Ferret-

 

[Soybomb]

And you may be right. He IS however doing what 99.999% of today's youth don't do, and that's to take a stand for SOMETHING.

Good on him for that if nothing else.

Sadly I don't share your enthusiam. I'd personally love to see concealed carry in Illinois. However, I also don't want voters associating concealed carry with the guy on campus who wears a thigh holster. For every positive reaction how many people "man gun nuts...thats just what I want, a bunch of guys walking around with their swat fantasy holster on." Ymmv and all that, but I would prefer he not represent the cause with such methods.

 

[sam59]

Ferret

The story is pulled verbatim from the icarry site and was posted in the first post. What I hear you saying is: Take the story as the truth, even though it is 100% one sided. Thanks for the advice, Ill take it with the same grain of salt as the original story!

 

[Freedspeak]

Interesting thing that seems to have been missed by some, is that he was made to miss an exam (after collusion with the admin.). Get him expelled for low grade point? (Tin foil hat icon!)

 

[SAK]

All accounts on our website I wrote myself. I've never lied about these incidents, and never will. I don't need to lie or exaggerate. And no, none of this was planned. I never expected for a second to be arrested. I was completely shocked and appalled when they told me I couldn't leave.

Anyways, I would really love to answer all of your questions and comment and all of that. Unfortunately I no longer can, due to pending litigation. When the authorities act against us and suppress us, we can either take it or fight it. By fighting it, you can only help your cause. That I promise you.

 

[Fletchette]

Many kudos to this college student!

I believe that we (as a community) need to be much more agressive in dealing with the gun-prohibitionists. His actions were entirely lawful and illustrate just how corrupt and dictatorial much of our nation has become.

My only concern is that this student will probably not recieve a fair trial. Chicago is full of judges that espouse "interpretations" of the Constitution, and I fear they will railroad him in court.

All animals are equal; but some animals are more equal than others...

 

[jerkyman45]

A bunch of college leftists playing favorites with the issues, thats what it looks like to me.

 

[308win]

In a perfect world he would be able to sue the officers individually and severally for their actions; hiding behind the ole 'I was only following orders' doesn't cut it in this instance. We're talking inalienable rights here, not the priviledge of operating a motor vehicle on the roads of the state.

 

[Quaamik]

Kim wrote:
"Oh heck our past if full of people purposely doing things to make a statement. Rosa Parks was not some poor black woman who just decided on her own to do what she did. She purposely did so with others in tow to file the lawsuit. The ACLU does this purposely all the time. Roe of Roe v Wade was a plant in that case. Most of the great cases you think were just some poor little person doing something were really planted persons who had the legal backing already in place with their carefully crafted law suit just waiting to be jump started. That is the way the GAME is played. Reality and what one is taught is two different things. There are always shackers and movers behing the scene. Even to the point of being able to pick what Judge the case is going to be argued to."
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And the problem is?...........

Our side tried it without pre-planning once a long time ago. You might remember the case.

United States vs. Miller

See where that got us.

 

[SAK]

That may be the case in a lot of instances. I can tell you, though, that none of this was planned. I didn't even plan to go to inquire about a meeting that day, it just seemed like a convenient time. I never imagined they could or would arrest me (I was foolishly under the impression I had the right to freedom of speech). This entire ordeal has been more than I ever expected.

Here's a news article, btw:

http://www.rrstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060414/NEWS0107/104140041

RVC student, gun-rights activist, sues college over arrest
By Jeff Kolkey
Rockford Register Star

ROCKFORD — A Rock Valley College student who says college police officers wrongfully arrested him is suing the community college for violating his civil rights and asking a federal judge to award him more than $1.3 million in damages.

A gun rights activist who founded ICARRY.org, Shaun A. Kranish, 20, said he was arrested for disorderly conduct in October after he approached college officials to discuss its weapons policies which prohibits guns on campus.

The disorderly conduct charge in December was dismissed in a Winnebago County courtroom.

Kranish said he was wearing his ICARRY.org jacket and carrying an empty nylon gun holster to symbolizing the disarmament of Illinois residents and the state’s erosion of Second Amendment rights.

“When you set up a gun-free zone, what you are doing is creating a criminal friendly zone or victim disarmament zone,” Kranish said. “You are encouraging bad guys to commit crimes there because they know, they won’t meet resistance.”

In his federal lawsuit filed April 7, Kranish said he was improperly searched, his jacket and empty holster seized, wrongfully arrested, and defamed.

Rock Valley College attorney Peter Kostantacos said the lawsuit is without merit.

“He got arrested because they were afraid he was carrying a gun,” Kostantacos said. “He has a strong belief and he was trying to demonstrate it, and in this instance I think he went about it in the wrong way.”

Staff writer Jeff Kolkey can be reached at 815-987-1374 or [email protected].
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The only problem with it is the UNTRUTHFUL statements at the end. First off, this isn't some joke frivolous lawsuit without merit. I've never sued someone before, and never planned on it. There was no way in the world I could let them get away with all that they did to me. This is the real deal.

Second, they did NOT arrest me because they were worried I had a gun. The very first thing they did was determine (by way of illegal search I might add) that I was completely unarmed. It was over an hour later that they put me under arrest and brought a false charge against me. For them to try to make it sound like there was any concern at all that I may be armed OR that the police thought so is a complete lie.

Lastly, he doesn't agree with how I went about demonstrating my strong belief? So...I break NO school rule, I offend NO person, and break NO state law, I POLITELY ask to speak with someone, but I'm "going about it the wrong way"? And the punishment for "going about it the wrong way"? UNWARRANTED SEARCH, SEIZURE, ARREST, CRIMINAL CHARGES, and SUPPRESSION OF COUNTLESS RIGHTS. This is oppression, people, plain and simple. I knew Illinois was bad, but this is just outrageous.

 

[Fletchette]

SAK: I completely agree with you. Be mercilious in court. Get the school officials to agree to your charge of infringing on your rights, plus a small monetary payment, and they will think they are 'settling out of court' and getting off. Then get him fired for said infringement (in many cases admitting to conspiracy to infringe someone's civil liberties is immediate cause for dismissal of a public servant). No mercy.