Colorado Weapons Ban

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The Night Rider said:
You for one, don't have to comply because the bill exempts cops.
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I will not force others to comply is more of what I meant. I know my current boss will never enforce this, but who knows what the next election will bring. But I will never enforce or force other to comply with this. I will do everything I can to fight it.
 
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The Night Rider said:
No, it's not an empty gesture. It's a step towards citizen disarmament.

When I die I can't even will my firearms to my kids.

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"Grandfathering" is only a ploy to mitigate objections.

When you and I croak, who's going be the next "grandfather?"

It's a slow motion ban, and don't let "grandfathering" soften your objections to this legislation.

Terry. 230RN
 
Robert said it.

This bill is going to pass.

Polis is in his second term which means he can't be reelected* so he probably will sign it.

So it's up to the courts.

*The Governor of Colorado can only be elected to two consecutive tterms. There's no limit to how many times they can be elected but they can only succeed themselves once.
 
The Night Rider said:
There's already a law in Colorado prohibiting Firearms registration. They'll have to repeal that law first and then they'll just pass another law requiring registration.
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There's a legal principle that later, conflicting legislation automatically overrides earlier legislation. In other words, the latest enactment controls. So, the additional step of repealing the earlier law is not needed.

They're not including registration simply because it's highly unpopular.
 
Colorado legislature has lost their minds & decided to make every choice for us as they know what’s best-no flavored vape, no sugary drinks in kids meals, no natural gas to your home, no wood burning stoves, no 2nd amendment if you don’t navigate the obstacle course of infringements they have in place & are adding to. I suppose they’re doing exactly what the people who voted them want? I support RMGO & have written these & my representatives but it seems all for naught as they just do what they want. Even when the voters shot down an anti-fracking bill on the ballot they just overturn it-because they can.
 
Targa said:
Yep!!! And with forum rules prohibiting politics I will leave it there since this is 100 percent because of a political party. Wife and I are trying to move, in the immortal words of Mr. Jim Nabors “ Back home again in Indiana”.
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For me, that's long been a problem with this board but when I mention it privately I seem to get strong resistance from people who, I guess, simply don't like politics.

The major objection seems to be that political issues trend toward loud and pointless arguments and we can't have that here.

Big news: The second amendment is no longer a matter of "rights," it's a matter of "politics," pure and simple.

Other boards have political arenas where such "loudness" (e.g., all caps) is moderated and "gun politics" is discussed rather rationally.

I won't go along with Targa's "100 percent," but I'd be comfortable with him calling it "99 percent."

I find it amusing that we discuss all manner of matters of ballistics and history and advantages of one type of firearm versus another, yet fail to realize that unless we become deeply involved in "politics" all those matters will become moot.

I said it (again) and I ain't takin' it back.

Terry, 230RN
 
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230RN said:
Other boards have political arenas where such "loud" (e.g., all caps) is moderated and "gun politics" is discussed rather rationally.
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If I'm not mistaken, firearm and defensive use of force politics are a welcome topic of discussion here. The problem is when the political discussion wanders off that narrow subject and onto other major party positions which have little or nothing to do with the civilian ownership and usage of arms.
 
Here’s what’s gonna happen: The Governor vetos the gun bill, a week later the legislature overrides the veto & the bill becomes law. Gov is in the clear for future political aspirations.
 
Robert said:
The next step is, and I'll dig up the bill, is a requirement for all firearms owners to carry liability insurance. Which will require registration.
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and then they come get them from you.

Come on down to Texas, we need help offsetting liberals fleeing the places they have created too. As they didn't learn anything except to find a nice place to destroy with the same policies....:(
 
I don't think polis will sign it. He aims to run for president and doesn't want to make enemies. He'll wait to do gun ban if/when he's elected.

Same thing that happened when Dems wanted safe injection sites, he wouldn't sign it.
 
Robert said:
You are correct. Politics, in the very tight scope of how it directly relates to antigun laws and legislation is on topic. All Republicans this, or all Democrats that is not.
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Where have you been the last fifteen years?

I can see that the site may be sensitive to the "danger" of being identified with one party or the other, but that, in my opinion, falls directly in line with the anti-gunners' strategy.

Wake up, staff! Virtually all the anti-gun efforts have been the result of one party... but of course I cannot name it, lest this be too "Political."

Go ahead, delete this post as being off topic or political or unrelated to firearms, or any thin excuse you can think of, but the fact will remain... that in five or ten years, THR's "mission" will be moot.

I repeat: "The second amendment is no longer a matter of 'rights,' it's a matter of 'politics,' pure and simple."

It was, by the way, "Political" when it was first adopted.

Terry, 230RN
 
230RN said:
Where have you been the last fifteen years?

I can see that the site may be sensitive to the "danger" of being identified with one party or the other, but that, in my opinion, falls directly in line with the anti-gunners' strategy.

Wake up, staff! Virtually all the anti-gun efforts have been the result of one party... but of course I cannot name it, lest this be too "Political."

Go ahead, delete this post as being off topic or political or unrelated to firearms, or any thin excuse you can think of, but the fact will remain... that in five or ten years, THR's "mission" will be moot.

I repeat: "The second amendment is no longer a matter of 'rights,' it's a matter of 'politics,' pure and simple."

It was, by the way, "Political" when it was first adopted.

Terry, 230RN
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I don't think naming the Democrat party as the political party with gun control as a political platform will get the post deleted, or the user receiving any adverse consequences (see how I just named the party!). BUT... it's just as easy to use "anti-gunners," or as many simply say "antis." We're we to delve into Democrats vs Republicans openly, that allows for references to issues beyond the RKBA. This isn't a child raising/birthing board, so we don't need to discuss the politics of abortion. Same with immigration, government entitlements/welfare, regulations, monetary policy, labor unions, greenhouse emissions, other environmental issues, taxation... yeah we all get the point. It's common knowledge that gun control is part of the Democrat party platform. We don't have to shout it out. This has many purposes, but to me the primary purpose is to not paint a Democrat gun owner who posts here with a broad brush and turn them off of the site when they may otherwise make good contributions to our knowledge base. There are some voters who aren't a one-issue voter, and I personally would be grateful to remain friends with someone willing to change the gun control party from within.

This IS a one-issue forum, however. Because of that, I do see benefit in keeping it partisan politics neutral (other than the RKBA).
 
In the immortal words of the legendary Yogi Berra: "It's deja vu all over again."

I'm seeing Colorado folks make all the same remarks we in Washington were making after HB 1240 (an "Assault Weapons Ban") was introduced in our legislature. Yeah, we thought it could never happen here. Guess what?

We previously got the "high capacity" magazine ban, a training requirement to purchase semiauto rifles, mandatory background checks, this year we got a requirement to obtain training prior to buying any firearm AND a delightful 10 business day waiting period...

Next year, we anticipate we'll be ordered to register our "grandfathered" assault weapons (meaning any long gun that is semiauto or any gun with a threaded barrel, and more) as well as be required to obtain a "permit to purchase" for every firearm we buy.

Good luck, Colorado.

Oh, and heck yeah, it IS totally a political issue, with one party driving the bus.
 
5whiskey said:
I don't think naming the Democrat party as the political party with gun control as a political platform will get the post deleted, or the user receiving any adverse consequences (see how I just named the party!). BUT... it's just as easy to use "anti-gunners," or as many simply say "antis." Were we to delve into Democrats vs Republicans openly, that allows for references to issues beyond the RKBA.
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Unfounded fear. Real departures from relevant politics can be moderated, so that's not an argument.

This isn't a child raising/birthing board, so we don't need to discuss the politics of abortion. Same with immigration, government entitlements/welfare, regulations, monetary policy, labor unions, greenhouse emissions, other environmental issues, taxation... yeah we all get the point. It's common knowledge that gun control is part of the Democrat party platform. We don't have to shout it out. This has many purposes, but to me the primary purpose [of the rule -Terry] is to not paint a Democrat gun owner who posts here with a broad brush and turn them off of the site when they may otherwise make good contributions to our knowledge base.
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Irrelevant and my comment about moderation pertains. Think about that a bit.

And yes, we do have to shout it out. Or, as I said, THR will become irrelevant in a few years of the antis' unrelenting (and concentrated in one party) efforts to destroy a documented, enumerated, inherent, right of the people.

This IS a one-issue forum, however. Because of that, I do see benefit in keeping it partisan politics neutral (other than the RKBA).
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I agree with the underlined. No reason the other can't be managed as I noted several times.

However, my distinct impression over the years is is that THR is pussyfooting around the underlying political reason for that one party's virulent pursuit of destroying second Amendment rights.

There are some voters who aren't a one-issue voter, and I personally would be grateful to remain friends with someone willing to change the gun control party from within.
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Fine for you. But those willing to change the party from within are darned few. Most are in lockstep with the notion guns is bad.

Just as I am in lockstep with the notion guns is good. The inventors of our nation knew what they were talking about.

"Oh, and heck yeah, it IS totally a political issue, with one party driving the bus."

Give that man (Old Dog ) a "Hero" medal.

Terry, 230RN
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Sorry about the messed-up multiple quotes. Tried several times to clean it up to no avail.
 
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