Colt SAA help

Buy to Rope & Ride

  • $1200 Colt Montana

    Votes: 2 11.8%

  • $1500 Colt Samuel Special

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Don’t buy

    Votes: 9 52.9%

  • Both Guns cuz 2 is 1 & 1 is none

    Votes: 6 35.3%
  • Total voters
    17
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aaaaa said:
I would ignore the don't buy votes. Did any of them even post why they voted don't buy? Not very helpful.
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people posted “Don’t buy” because commemoratives were not as popular as once a-pond a time. Perfect for me because I don’t want to afford a unfired Gen 2 and I like bling on my guns!
 
Driftwood Johnson said:
I have said this before and I will say it again.

I am tired of guys who look down their noses at collectors.

What makes you guys think that all collectors want is pristine guns?

I am a collector. My collection has guns from all eras, the oldest being the little 22 Short S&W No 1 Tip Up 1st Issue, 5th Type at the top of this photo that was made in 1859. Have I ever shot it? No, and I do not intend to. Modern 22 shorts would probably damage it.

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I bought this Savage North Navy Cap & Ball revolver a few years ago because I thought they are very cool, and this one was inexpensive enough that I could afford it. No, I have not shot it yet, but I have not ruled out the possibility.

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S&W Model 1926? I've got you covered. This one shipped in 1929. It was carried by an officer through WWII, I even have the holster he carried it in. It was so worn that at some point somebody had it refinished (badly at that) and nickel plated. Have I shot it? You bet.

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Triple Locks. For many years my Holy Grail gun was a Triple Lock. This one shipped in 1913, and it is a pristine target model. No, I am not going to shoot it.

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This Triple Lock is a very early one, it shipped in 1907and the serial number is less than 200. The grips are so worn the checkering is almost gone and there is hardly any blue left on it at all. The high end collectors were not interested in it so I got it for a song. Have I shot it? You bet. I

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A couple of favorites, a S&W New Model Number Three that shipped in 1882 and was refinished at the factory in 1965, and a Merwin Hulbert Pocket Army that was made sometime between 1881 and 1883. This pair gets taken to a CAS match usually once a year and yes they sure as shooting get fired.

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These are just a few. So spare me your negative thoughts about collectors. I can tell you for a fact that I do not buy old guns as investments, unless you run into something incredibly rare you will do better investing in the stock market than buying old guns. I collect old guns because I am fascinated with them. If I don't want to shoot one because I know it will blow up with modern ammo, or because I want to keep it pristine, that is my business, nobody else's.

P.S. Regarding that Colt that Colt said was a 'collector's firearm': Colt was doing that to cover their butt against lawsuits. Colt was afraid somebody would load six rounds, then drop the thing and have it go off when the hammer hit the ground. So they included that note to cover their butts against lawsuits. Why do you think the Italian imported replicas of the Colt have to have a safety device of some sort while Colts do not? For the same reason. Colt has gotten away with keeping the mechanism the same as it was in 1873, and not having to include a safety device, by declaring the SAA is a 'collector's firearm'.
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My 26 looked close to your pristine target when I got it in the 80's

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I shot this 1858 Allen & Wheelock by removing the bullets from .22 shorts and reloading them with bp. You're right about modern cartridges ruining one. A buddy of mine when I was 16 found one and shot it. He ended up with three big pieces and a lot of little pieces.

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It would drive me nuts to have some of yours and not shoot them.
 
Mark_Mark said:
I’m a reloader with more presses then time! my local was selling .45LC brass for $0.08 a pop. Bought all 600 because my brother needed them. I’ll get more brass!
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You wont get them for that price. 500 Starline .45 Colt will run you 131.50 or 0.26 per case.
 
Paul R Zartman said:
I have 1 gun in unfired condition, Savage 1895 75th Anniversary with beautiful wood, 308. I should probably sell or trade it off cause ill never fire it, let someone else enjoy it.
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I have several unfired guns.. actually a lot of unfired gun. Only because I don’t sell guns and horde. But, when I can retire and the boys take less of my time, they are all getting shoot!!
 
hawg said:
Collectors want pristine guns. The closer to new the better. Then they will languish in a safe somewhere never to be fired again. I may devalue my guns but I take guns away from the collectors. Guns were made to be used, not to sit in a safe somewhere. If I had a pristine 1873 Colt with a single digit serial number with provenance it had never been fired I'd shoot the snot out of it.
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If you had that, the best way to shoot it would be in front of a live audience full of avid collectors on national TV during prime time!
 
Driftwood Johnson said:
P.S. Regarding that Colt that Colt said was a 'collector's firearm': Colt was doing that to cover their butt against lawsuits. Colt was afraid somebody would load six rounds, then drop the thing and have it go off when the hammer hit the ground. So they included that note to cover their butts against lawsuits. Why do you think the Italian imported replicas of the Colt have to have a safety device of some sort while Colts do not? For the same reason. Colt has gotten away with keeping the mechanism the same as it was in 1873, and not having to include a safety device, by declaring the SAA is a 'collector's firearm'.
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Nice collection! Any time you post something with pictures, I know I'm going to love what I see!

Yes, I'm well aware of why Colt does this. I'm also well aware that just because a firearm produced in modern times is made as it was 200 years ago, that doesn't make it a "collector's item". It makes it a firearm made the same way it was designed 200 years ago.

Now, a firearm ACTUALLY MADE 200 years ago is a different matter altogether, I'm my opinion.

(And I'm well aware my opinion doesn't necessarily mean squat to someone else.)

If Colt were to start making 1911s the same way they did a century ago, that also wouldn't make it a collector's item due for the same reason.

To be sure, what constitutes a collectable encompasses quite a lot, with rarity and availability being a major factor. So I suppose a modern limited production run would qualify. But only time will tell if the market agrees.

I'm all about collectors doing their thing for exactly the same reason I'm all about people buying things just because they want them. Have at it, I say!
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
Yes, I'm well aware of why Colt does this. I'm also well aware that just because a firearm produced in modern times is made as it was 200 years ago, that doesn't make it a "collector's item". It makes it a firearm made the same way it was designed 200 years ago.
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I am well aware of that. Colt simply printed that to avoid lawsuits. We both know it does not make the average SAA a "Collector's Firearm". Collectors will determine what is collectable, not manufacturers. The Franklin Mint makes things they claim are collectable. No true coin collector would ever purchase anything made by the Franklin Mint.
 
hawg said:
Why?
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Oh, come on, I'm sure you know why, but I will explain it anyway.

Fifteen or twenty years ago some Cowboy Action shooters, who insisted on loading the 45 Colt down so it recoiled about like a light 38 Special, noticed that ridiculously light loads in the huge 45 Colt case had so much airspace in them that ignition was unreliable. So 45 Cowboy Special brass was developed. It has the same rim configuration as 45 Colt, and the same internal case capacity as 45 ACP. 45 ACP loading data can be used with 45 CS. That way, the mouse fart shooters in CAS could put 2 grains of Whiz Bang into a 45 CS case and still have ridiculously light recoil and reliable ignition. Later, Black Powder shooters discovered that the 45 CS was an excellent round for very light Black Powder loads because the case could be filled with powder (I don't recall exactly how much) and no air space was left inside.

Yes, of course mouse fart shooters could use the 45 Schofield case, with less powder capacity than 45 Colt, but 45 CS has even less powder capacity than 45 Schofield.
 
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