ShooterMcGavin
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This is just too funny!!! I am actually thinking of buying one of these to give to a friend
Concealed Cary Badges???
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Robert Wilson
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I think it's an interesting and valid question. I understand why a person can have no desire to impersonate an officer and no interest in broadcasting his "importance" as a CCW holder, while still believing that a badge located close to his carry gun could be useful in case of a truly accidental exposure of his gun. Are there any valid, non-snarky reasons why that is a bad idea?
CHEVELLE427
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it is for the want to be someone special person
and i guess for $45 you would be special. or at least be $45 lighter,
there at the gun showes all the time.
and i guess for $45 you would be special. or at least be $45 lighter,
there at the gun showes all the time.
pbearperry
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Badges are for Boy Scouts,Cops,and Firemen.Say this over and over until understood.Once learned you will have no further problems with this same ole question.News at 11.lol
NavyLCDR
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Robert Wilson said:
I will repeat it....
This is a product that is going to get someone killed:
http://legallyarmed.com/resources/reflectorsystem.htm
It's a reflective wallet for your CPL/CWP/CCW/CHL. Let me explain the problem with this...
First, when a LEO comes on the scene where he/she knows that guns are involved, they typically want to see one thing right away: empty hands, in plain sight, not moving. Flashing a badge/badge holder is not conducive to the LEO seeing empty hands, in plain sight, not moving.
Now, move that situation to night time. At night, night vision and the ability to preserve night vision are paramount. In a situation where a cop may be looking for an active shooter, flashing this reflective badge holder at them is going to destroy that night vision. In addition to that, it is drawing their attention away from where an active shooter may be hiding and focusing their attention on your stupid reflector. You've just put that LEO at a huge disadvantage.
Finally, if there is an active shooter at night and they are looking for targets, guess what you've just done by holding up this reflector...
MYREDTAIL
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Forget the Badge Idea insted go onto this web site LEGALLY ARMED ID POUCH.COM & read the story & then decide which one you rather be caught with should the SHTF happens, I bought one last year & have reccommended this pouch to other's for the price of just $15.00 it's well worth it, after you read their web site post your thought's on the pouch or send me an E mail & let me know what you think of it? I think you will find it better, safer than any Badge. These pouches have been proven to be 100% effective, I know what NAVYLT is saying but I have heard from people that have used them effectely for some time now without any LE problems etc.
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Skylerbone
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Non-snarky? Here goes: CONCEALED MEANS CONCEALED! If you show that weapon at any time you had better count the time till the police arrive. (it won't take long) If you can't keep it out of the public's eye then you won't have a permit to carry period.
If you have any doubt as to whether or not your carry option will leave it exposed then there is no doubt. Find a fannypack. Find a briefcase. Most importantly, unless you are absolutely positive you're about to pull the trigger, DON'T DISPLAY IT!
That piece of paper has more potential to ruin your life than a Russian mail-order bride. It gives NO ONE the right to intimidate others. It does not authorize the use of deadly force to avoid confrontation. It does not keep you from being sued in a court of law and it may get you shot if police arrive and see a pistol in your hands.
Anyone thinking about concealed carry needs to put a serious amount of time into thinking about whether or not it's a viable option for them. This includes a bit of a gut check:
Am I willing to take the life of another if I feel a mortal threat is imminent?
Am I trained proficiently in the use of a firearm to minimize potential injury to self or bystanders?
Am I willing to accept the consequences of my actions should I injure/kill another while defending myself? Can you live with a prison term and no more firearms period? Can you live with yourself after shooting the 4 year old that was behind your attacker? Are your children there watching?
Is there a better option or non-lethal option available that is more practical? Mace? Collapsable batton?
Humor is one thing, I felt the idea of a badge was comical at best. I can see some people took exception to that humor and I have posted the above for their consideration. If it is at times muddled I apologize. When in doubt, refer back to paragraph #1, concealed MEANS CONCEALED!
If you have any doubt as to whether or not your carry option will leave it exposed then there is no doubt. Find a fannypack. Find a briefcase. Most importantly, unless you are absolutely positive you're about to pull the trigger, DON'T DISPLAY IT!
That piece of paper has more potential to ruin your life than a Russian mail-order bride. It gives NO ONE the right to intimidate others. It does not authorize the use of deadly force to avoid confrontation. It does not keep you from being sued in a court of law and it may get you shot if police arrive and see a pistol in your hands.
Anyone thinking about concealed carry needs to put a serious amount of time into thinking about whether or not it's a viable option for them. This includes a bit of a gut check:
Am I willing to take the life of another if I feel a mortal threat is imminent?
Am I trained proficiently in the use of a firearm to minimize potential injury to self or bystanders?
Am I willing to accept the consequences of my actions should I injure/kill another while defending myself? Can you live with a prison term and no more firearms period? Can you live with yourself after shooting the 4 year old that was behind your attacker? Are your children there watching?
Is there a better option or non-lethal option available that is more practical? Mace? Collapsable batton?
Humor is one thing, I felt the idea of a badge was comical at best. I can see some people took exception to that humor and I have posted the above for their consideration. If it is at times muddled I apologize. When in doubt, refer back to paragraph #1, concealed MEANS CONCEALED!
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NavyLCDR
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MYREDTAIL said:
http://legallyarmed.com/resources/reflectorsystem.htm
Do you really want to trust what a company has to say that has this in their product (look at the sample cards about 1/2 way down the link I posted above):
"For: Law Enforcement Officer
I have been advised that if I have been in a self-defense incident , it is in my best interest to speak to an attorney before issuing any statement. This card will provide you with information about me, that will assist you with your report. I do not wish to loose any of my Rights."
Loose you rights? What happens if you loose your rights? Do they spill out on the ground?!?
and
"Weapon Data Card
In case my weapon was stolen during from my home, vehicle, or during any type of incident, here is the data on my carry guns:"
During from my home?!? I can't even come up with a smart a$$ comment for that one.
So, do you really want to trust a company that says their product will help you out during a police encounter that has such a profoundly proficient command of the English language?
rscalzo
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Badge and documents....Made in China
NavyLCDR
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sold at Wal Mart.
evan price
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If you are going to get a CCW badge, you should also consider getting some red and blue lights to mount inside the grille of your car, that way you can make sure people will not miss your CCW badge.
If you can find an old Motorola trunked radio handi-talkie, clipping that to your pants adjacent to your CCW gun will helpfully reinforce the CCW badge.
It might also be a good idea to buy a dark blue or grey Ford Crown Victoria as your driver and take off the wheel covers. Radio Shack sells stick-on antennas inexpensively, if you put 3-4 of them on the back deck it will go a long way to helping your image of a responsible CCW.
Finally, when discussing your interactions with other persons on internet forums, you should always mention "Blading" or "Slicing the pie" in every other paragraph. You could also use such phrases as "Checking your six", "Surveying the AO", "Scanning the environment", "Locating cover", "Press checks", "Condition Orange", and "Tactical Approach".
Or you could spend the money otherwise wasted on a CCW badge on some GOOD holsters and a GOOD gun belt, conceal your gun well, and go about your business knowing that 99% of the folks out there wouldn't notice anyway.
If you can find an old Motorola trunked radio handi-talkie, clipping that to your pants adjacent to your CCW gun will helpfully reinforce the CCW badge.
It might also be a good idea to buy a dark blue or grey Ford Crown Victoria as your driver and take off the wheel covers. Radio Shack sells stick-on antennas inexpensively, if you put 3-4 of them on the back deck it will go a long way to helping your image of a responsible CCW.
Finally, when discussing your interactions with other persons on internet forums, you should always mention "Blading" or "Slicing the pie" in every other paragraph. You could also use such phrases as "Checking your six", "Surveying the AO", "Scanning the environment", "Locating cover", "Press checks", "Condition Orange", and "Tactical Approach".
Or you could spend the money otherwise wasted on a CCW badge on some GOOD holsters and a GOOD gun belt, conceal your gun well, and go about your business knowing that 99% of the folks out there wouldn't notice anyway.
Sebastian the Ibis
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I always thought they were a joke, until I one day I actually came across a robbery scene. A couple of guys were stealing the equipment out of a landscapers van, the landscaper tried to stop them and got run over as one of the perps drove off. An off-duty/plainclothes LEO drew his gun and attempted to hold the thief who was left behind. That perp took off. The officer put his badge around his neck, made a call on his cell phone, and attended to the run over landscaper. As other LEO's flooded the area, the undercover/plainclothes LEO directed the other LEOs in the direction of the perps.
It made me realize that if you are ever in a SD situation, having a badge around your neck will prevent you from being shot by the responding officers. That in and of itself is worth something. If you are unlucky enough to catch a burglar/thief/rapist at gun point a fake badge around your neck will prevent you from being shot as LEO's respond. I'm sure the LEO's will criticize you afterwards, but if you are not shot that is a win.
It made me realize that if you are ever in a SD situation, having a badge around your neck will prevent you from being shot by the responding officers. That in and of itself is worth something. If you are unlucky enough to catch a burglar/thief/rapist at gun point a fake badge around your neck will prevent you from being shot as LEO's respond. I'm sure the LEO's will criticize you afterwards, but if you are not shot that is a win.
NavyLCDR
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ummmm..... yeah. 
Skylerbone
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Hope some hapless beat cop doesn't 10-28 that ^^^10-37. He's liable to go hot. I think I have to grab a bag now, I'm hyperventilating and I might need new underwear, had a 10-31 in my pants. Way to go, Evan!
Robert Wilson
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Great. But neither I nor the OP wrote anything about reflective wallets or holding things up for people to see. Can you think of any good reasons why it's a poor idea to keep a CCW badge on your belt next to your carry piece?
Robert Wilson
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That all sounds very good, yet this site is full of stories about people who accidentally displayed their CCW guns. As I am not allowed to carry where I live I really can't speak authoritatively on the matter, but it does appear to me that a lot of folks have accidentally "flashed" their carry pieces. Perhaps they are all irresponsible, but I do understand that accidents happen, and I can understand how the general public might be less likely to be startled or concerned if they see a badge alongside the holstered gun. I am still unsure if there is a downside to the practice.
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NavyLCDR
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Because the bad guys will see it and shoot you first in a robbery?
Why not just show the cops or anyone else concerned your real CCW permit instead of a plastic toy bought from a novelty store?
Robert Wilson
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I think perhaps you still misunderstand me. The badge is concealed alongside the gun. If one is visible, so is the other, and barring serious error neither will ever be seen. The intent is only to calm the fears of any hoplophobes who might be present during an accidental "flash".
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Ragnar Danneskjold
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Bad idea or not, I'm wondering; why exactly that is going to get someone killed?
Centaur 1
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But if we wear a badge around our neck, we will look really cool. Just like when "Dog The Bounty Hunter" starts chasing a bad guy down the street with his paint ball gun. 
NavyLCDR
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At night when you are caught in a SHTF situation, which is obviously the situation the reflective case is meant for:
In a situation where a cop may be looking for an active shooter, flashing this reflective badge holder at them is going to destroy that night vision. In addition to that, it is drawing their attention away from where an active shooter may be hiding and focusing their attention on your stupid reflector. You've just put that LEO at a huge disadvantage.
If there is an active shooter at night and they are looking for targets, guess what you've just done by holding up this reflector...you have provided them with a clear, easy to see target, designed to mimic a police officer's ID case.
If you've ever been on patrol, at night, looking a scene over for bad guys, such as I have done, you would know what a bad idea the reflector is.
Ragnar Danneskjold
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I have. Against people with AKs, as you might have as well given your screen name. I don't send rounds at whatever is shiny though, and if there's enough light to make that small reflector ruin my night vision, the light source itself has already done that.
NavyLCDR
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Robert Wilson said:
First, how likely is it that the gun is going to be seen by the hoplophobe AND a plastic toy badge is going to fix it?
Second, how about if you are stopped by LEO for anything... maybe even a traffic stop. LEO asks you if you have any weapons, because maybe he discovered your permit when checking your driver's license. You answer, yes, I have a concealed handgun. The cop desires to disarm you, "for officer safety" of course, and discovers this plastic toy badge next to your gun. Kind officer says to you, "And just what in the hell is this?!?"
I think either scenario, the first or the second have about the same chances of happening. Like I said, just show the real permit that actually has authority behind it, if you want to show anything.... :banghead:
NavyLCDR
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and you can guarantee that a criminal (or an inept cop) at night won't?
Centaur 1
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That's probably one reason that my town embroiders a badge with Grey thread to the uniform shirt. The metal badge stays in the I.D. wallet with his credentials.
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