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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by frankcostanza, Sep 21, 2008.

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  1. Justin

    Justin Moderator Emeritus

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    Concealed carry badges carry the same legal weight as, but are nowhere near as awesome as my badge:

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    In all seriousness, I find it unconscionable that any CCW instructor would try to shill a product that may very well result in their students getting arrested by a cop who takes a dim view of wannabe's.
     

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  2. Tacbandit

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    A lot of departments frown on that type of stuff...I'd go the other direction...:uhoh:
     
  3. dalepres

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    For the two who wrote the above posts:

    He didn't say you shouldn't have badges. He spoke about badges from non-LEOs being used to try to pass the holder off as a LEO.

    You should keep your badges but your badges have nothing at all to do with your weapon. To associate them is to, at a minimum, pretend to be a cop even if it doesn't go so far as to be considered impersonating a cop. If you walk around off duty showing your badge I call you nothing more than a mall ninja.
     
  4. NC Dave

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    Just curious....if these instructors were selling worthless, useless, "I'm a cop wannabe" badges for $50 to $60 a pop, what the heck were they charging for the class? :what:
     
  5. Ragnar Danneskjold

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    No he didn't. He said
    It doesn't get any plainer than that. Except there are people and agencies who have legit badges that don't have arrest authority. He said it should be illegal for anyone who does not have arrest authority to have a badge. Not that anyone who has a badge should not present it as a some sort of CCW or fake-cop badge.
     
  6. CombatArmsUSAF

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    The only purpose I can see to having a badge is something like a mall shooting scenario. You have the BG, yourself, maybe an off duty cop or another CCW in the area, and you display the badge from a previously concealed location. This may prevent you from being engaged as the BG. Personally, I think I would rather face a thin possibility of being charged with impersonating than to accidentally get shot by another good guy.

    I am not saying I would run into a situation like this but what if your in the immediate area when the shooting starts?
     
  7. Maia007

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    And they say the West Coast is weird.......
     
  8. dmazur

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    Double tap the BG, kick his gun away, look around for more BG's and say, "Someone call 911!". Very unlikely you will be perceived as a BG...

    By the way, Gold Hat ("Treasure of the Sierra Madre") had the correct response to the badges issue. :)


    ...and, no, I have absolutely no desire to be involved in a shooting, especially in a mall!
     
  9. XavierBreath

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    They were selling shirts in my class. I really prefer the shirts. The badges don't have the same visibility in high intensity coffee shop raids. If you really want to be safe when the SHTF, you gotta get the shirt.

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  10. dmazur

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    That's a real shirt? Too funny!

    I think I feel left out. Without mandatory training, our local law enforcement is obviously missing out on a significant source of revenue.

    Now I'll have to peruse the Internet to find a shirt like that. I wonder if I can get one with an inside pocket for a trauma plate. :)
     
  11. Ragnar Danneskjold

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    Make sure you get a big CCW patch to put on your body armor when it covers up the shirt.
     
  12. Eric F

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    Well there is this line of thought............
    If the issueing agency wanted you to have a badge they would have given one to you with your permit.
    I have never seen any good come from a badge that was not issued to any one, The 10% discount at waffle house isnt worth the trouble folks.
     
  13. Geno

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    Xaviar:

    Excellent CCW t-shirt example. But, remember, always buy the smallest and tightest version of the t-shirt to make the "CCW" more "observable" <<Tongue-in-cheek>>.

    Doc2005
     
  14. XavierBreath

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    Has anyone seen the CCW Crown Victoria?
     

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  15. Geno

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    Can someone please design a CCW hard hat, already?! I prefer construction site yellow, and I want it to have a nice red, flashing light on top. Oh yeah, a utility belt for my portable CB radio too.
     
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    In a wierd situation, if some random guy flashes a fake badge, he's just gone from yellow to orange on my 'do I need to shoot this guy to protect myself' situational awareness meter.

    Normal civilians don't flash badges. Bad guys and crazies do. Especially if you are acting like a cop, being authoritative and taking control of a situation, and then you flash a fake badge - you're much more threatening than you were before.

    Just as an example - I cut you off in traffic because I'm late, the guy in front slams on his brakes for no reason, you rear-end me. We get out, you're mad because it's clearly my fault but I'm saying 'you rear-ended me @#!%! your insurance is paying' and so the situation progresses to the point where you show your weapon and or/badge. You've just gone from driver to pyscho.
     
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    The XavierBreath shirt sums up the idiocy of this premise.

    I want one.
     
  18. AlaskaErik

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    I'm still waiting to see that Mall Ninja van from that thread a month or two ago.
     
  19. GEM

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    There's an auction for a used Crown Vict where I work. Maybe I should get one with my tinfoil hat.
     
  20. RobNDenver

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    I would take their suggestions with a grain of salt, since they have a reason to sell you the badges. I have never been in a situation where showing the badge alone did anything to resolve a situation. In fact, when I was a rookie and badged a spithead, all it did was give him an opportunity to get closer "Hey lemme see that, I don't think that is a real badge". When I badged other cops at a scene they were local and knew what our stars looked like. I would be super suspicious of a badge I was not familiar with.

    Leave the badges to the cops and firefighters that are issued them.
     
  21. Soybomb

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    Ride in one first, drivers see a white crown vic with a light on it and you'll find you're always stuck behind people who are doing 5 under the speed limit where they used to do 20 over in your old car :D
     
  22. Cosmoline

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    Badges make you look like a wanabe, and can damage your credibility both with the responding officers and any eventual jury.

    Beyond that, I have enormous moral problems with the things. Carrying a firearm does not make you a special kind of citizen. It does not make you a "warrior" or put you in some position of law enforcement. Thinking that it does can lead to all sorts of trouble.

    Drop or holster your firearm and keep your hands up.
     
  23. bogie

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    Plus, the "rumor on the street" is that crooks like to buy used police cars for their rides...

    Personally, I'd like to score an ambulance, with a diesel.

    Justin, do you have high resolution art for that?
     
  24. Gottahaveone

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    Shame on you, I nearly wet myself :)
     
  25. dalepres

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    How or why would you be engaged as the bad guy? You could always do nothing and not get engaged.

    And what would keep bad guys from buying CCW badges and flashing them?
     
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