Correia at SHOT show

[ArfinGreebly]

Ejection Chute

hksw:
How the system works is the extractor, after the bolt assembly is drawn back under recoil, tilts the empty case upward (inside of the gun unseen). At this point the empty case is pointed at a channel located above the barrel. You can see it on the posted tech data sheet of the gun on the first page of this thread. As the bolt goes forward to complete its cycle, the casing starts to enter the channel and the extractor gets push down to engage the next (live) round going into the chamber. When the extractor depresses, an extension in the bolt carrier (not sure if it is called that) pushes the empty casing further into the channel. The force of the bolt/bolt carrier going forward is what kicks the casing out of the chute.

So, basically, they use a variation on the same kind of action that's used to load the next round from the magazine.

The only real difference being that, with the barrel pointed upward, any brass already in the ejection chute would slide back. What do they use to keep prior spent casings from interfering with the next one being ejected?

I mean, something in the chute that makes it easy for brass to slide forward by not back sounds good; I'm just not sure what material would do that without heat/fouling/other problems.

And then there's the follow-up on a failure-to-fire, with a complete cartridge being sent down the chute.

Many questions. Look forward to seeing one in person.

 

[hksw]

The rep on the first day was asked about pointing the gun upward and the ejection issue. He had stated that the casings (presumably seen in testing) would still have enough force behind it to clear the port. It wouldn't go far but far enough to clear the gun.

 

[Travis McGee]

The Kel-Tec rep at the booth cycled a mag of inert cartridges through the gun. Each cartridge, (heavier with its bullet in place), ejected forward out of the tube with a good deal of force. Off hand, I recall them "shooting" 3 or 4 feet across the table, when the barrel was horizontal and maybe a foot above.

The last empty brass left inside during a mag change ejects out on the first shot of the new mag.

Also: I took a FAL mag off of the table and put it in and pulled it out about 20 times in a row as fast as I could, while holding the rifle shouldered. (Not one person looked at me funny, I think they all understood.) The mag "rocks" out, the thumb catch is very large and presses in easily. As easy or easier than changing mags on an M1A or Mini 14, even with the pistol grip just a few inches in front of the mag well. It didn't bind or catch or need to be ripped out with force. It went right in and out, very slick and positive.

 

[Trebor]

Trebor: how did you manage to win a Trijicon?

My MAD GAMERZ SKILLZ won me the scope.

Trijicon had a press conference to announce some new products. As part of the conference they set up three simulators with M4 dummy guns with three different Trijicon scopes. The "military" simulator used a scenario from "America's Army," the "Police" scenario had a "shoot - don't shoot" Hogan's Alley type game and the "Hunting" scenario simulated hunting Cape Buffalo in Africa.

I did OK in the military scenario, got run over by a Cape Buffalo in the hunting scenario and thought I did pretty well in the Hogan's Alley scenario. By then I knew the sights were off so I did a alot of point shooting in that one and managed to hit a fair number of "bad guys" and not hit any "good guys" at all.

I was still surprised though when they announced the winners and I was the first name they called. I had the high score for the "Police" scenario. I was expecting a set of night sights or a Surefire flashlight or something and was stunned when they handed me a 3-9x 40mm Accupoint scope. They also gave me a Traser H3 watch.

I lost the watch when I had to repack my carry on at the airport after I found out that you can't take a scope in your carry on luggage. The good news is someone turned the watch over to lost and found and their going to mail it back to me tommorrow.

I credit my victory to my years of playing video games, especially "Lethal Enforcer" and "Operation Wolf."

 

[Wes Janson]

The only real difference being that, with the barrel pointed upward, any brass already in the ejection chute would slide back. What do they use to keep prior spent casings from interfering with the next one being ejected?

If I recall correctly, there's a small tab inside the ejection tube, just above the chamber that allows cases to go out, but holds and keeps them from going back into the action if pointed upwards. As for whether they would eject brass all the way out of the action when fired upwards, I'm not sure. It wouldn't do it when demo'd, but they were also using much heavier dummy cartridges with bullets, rather than fired brass. And because the velocity is dependent on the speed at which the bolt closes, I have to wonder if it wouldn't throw them out with even more force during actual firing (then again, maybe not).

Either way, it doesn't really matter because if they make it into the tube, the following casings are going to keep pushing things out the front, just like the FN2000.

Trijicon had a press conference to announce some new products. As part of the conference they set up three simulators with M4 dummy guns with three different Trijicon scopes. The "military" simulator used a scenario from "America's Army," the "Police" scenario had a "shoot - don't shoot" Hogan's Alley type game and the "Hunting" scenario simulated hunting Cape Buffalo in Africa.

Dang...wish I'd have known about it. All that Halo action might have finally paid off for me

 

[marklbucla]

So how about the Shotties?

And I'm not talking about 870s or 590s.

 

[bogie]

Want, need, what's the difference. Either way, it's a damn sexy rifle.

Okay... It's a matter of a coupla things...

My tax dollars paying for a buncha guys wearing tactical undies to fondle unnecessary armament.

Having to watch 'em at the range while they brag it's the greatest thing since sliced bread while they shoot up the target frames (hint - range rules prohibit shooting the target frames on purpose... they cost $$$).

Having more of my tax dollars pay for the care and upkeep, for life, of the toddler that gets hit in the spine from three blocks away when one of the gung-ho tactical boys misses his intended target at 30 yards, because he's using a centerfire rifle instead of a 'gauge, and has a buncha rounds in the mag....

What percentage of police departments are now saying that they need things like this? I'd guess 95% plus... And 100% in urban areas.

What percentage of justified shoots take place at more than 100 yards? Or even at around 50 yards? I'll guess less than 1%. A .243 bolt gun with a Weaver 4x scope will cut it. Heck, even the Steyr Scout that a fellow couldn't get to group inside 2" at 100 yards would cut it... Sigh... He looked down on my lowly Savage...

It's a nice rifle. It's maybe even sort of interesting. Don't get me wrong there.

 

[Correia]

Bogie, if you don't mind, please go complain about law enforcement in some other thread. We've heard it all before, and it really isn't on topic at all for this one.

So how about the Shotties?

I was with my wife. Couldn't say.

I heard at the THR dinner that one of our guys scored a date with the EAA booth babe. I don't know who it was, but go THR.

Honestly, the Florida show's booth babes were not nearly as trashy as the Las Vegas ones. I think for Vegas, some companies just hit up the local strip clubs.

 

[Henry Bowman]

Almost all of the "booth babes" are local models hired through an agency. They range from serious models to part time models to strippers. A young family friend of mine (part time model and serious dancer) was one of the "showgirls" with black sequins and feathers hired by Davidson's. There was also a SURF show going on at the same time next door. Every female model (and many male ones) were booked for those 4 days. At the surf show they stood around wearing less that at SHOT.

 

[OpFlash]

I lost the watch when I had to repack my carry on at the airport after I found out that you can't take a scope in your carry on luggage.

Now there's a rule that's saved countless lives no doubt. The wisdom of the TSA never ceases to amaze.