Correia at SHOT show

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What is the point of that Kel-Tec at $1500-$2000? An AR-10 or M1A costs the same
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You do get the niftyness of a bullpup design for maximum barrel at least...
 
More stuff.

Magpull Masada. .223 rifle. It is THE AWESOME. You guys that want a civvie SCAR, this is actually cooler. I'm going to buy 20 of them.

American made Augs. Better than the original, and you don't have to deal with the Austrians.

Century Galil looks great.

Will try to read this thread, and address some of the other new things people asked about.

No time. Have to keep going.
 
Ok, I know that this project is probably DOA by now, but I still have to ask....

Is there any sign of Advanced Combat System's Hezi sm-1 bullpup? I have been lusting after this .30 carbine bullpup for over a year and it still doesn't seem any closer to a US release.:banghead:
 
I thought I saw $700 floating around somewhere in cyberspace as the price on that KelTec. For $2000 I'll pass.

I assume "niftyness" is a new slang term for "crappy trigger"?
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Hey, they have the best trigger pull metal bars scraping on polymer can provide! :p

That 14.5 is cool! I want one just so I can refer to the .300 Weatherby as my "mouse gun" haha
 
Well, certainly looks like the little guy (KelTec) came up with something on his own budget that looks more interesting than a lot of major government funded programs over the past twenty years.

Could be something to that...;)

Looks a lot like a Para FAL on the inside, and I am not sure I like that ejection tube, but just seeing something new and interesting makes me happy.

For better or worse $2000 is probably about right for a full featured combat rifle in today's market, inflation tends to do things like that.
 
Correia,

Any word on pricing on the Century Galil? I think I need one just to get over my Galil lust.

Don't forget to stop by the DSA booth and say high to my boss!

:D

John
 
Is the New Bullpup from KT the monumental surprise Gaston was going to announce last year?

Some how I don't think a pickatitty rail and a two way mag drop is going to cut it.:scrutiny:
 
For the life of me, I cannot imagine ANY gun mfgr. in this modern litigeous society making a gun that will blow up by shooting loads that one can buy off the shelf at any gunshop.
If you do get a real answer from Ruger, can you place it as a sticky under "Revolvers"??
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Any manufacturer is gonna suggest not shooting anything with more pressure than standard SAAMI spec loads. Too much liabilty for them with the sue happy society we live in. Any loads loaded to a higher pressure than SAAMI specs are labled as such. Even the larger framed Blackhawks were only reccommened to be used with SAAMI spec loads. It's the ammo manufacturers that provide the over spec loads and up to the shooter to know if thier particualar gun can handle them.
 
American made Augs. Better than the original, and you don't have to deal with the Austrians.
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I believe these were at SHOT last year but still haven't materialized for civilians. Who's making/marketing them here?
 
Ammo is what....$200 a round. Add another $200 for the tax stamp if it doesn't get exempted.
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Anzio is reloading them for about $2/round, or so I'm told. Supposedly retail price for loaded ammo is $8/round. So realistically, it's in the same ballpark as a .50 BMG if you're reloading...and at $11,700, the $200 tax stamp and the investment in reloading tools really isn't all that bad. Definitely a whole nother level beyond the big fifty, but by no means unreachable. Definitely cheaper than an MP5/M16/Thompson.

Hey, they have the best trigger pull metal bars scraping on polymer can provide!
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Actually, that Kel-Tec's trigger pull was teh h0tness. I'm thinking in the vicinity of 4 pounds, very short distance (my judgement is pretty bad with pull weights though). Put it this way: it was extremely nice, almost too light if anything. You have no idea how badly I want that rifle now, having handled and dry-fired it. When I was there, I heard MSRPs of $2000 for the carbine, $2500 for the Sporter, and $3000 for the Target model, but I have to wonder if the longer models won't wind up being cheaper. Ejection is through a port that is above and offset to the right of the barrel; when racking dummy rounds through the rifle the Kel-Tec employee was throwing the brass forward about a foot or two in front and just slightly to the side. He also demonstrated field-stripping...two pins and almost complete disassembly. I have some slight trepidations about the trigger components, and I can't say as the standard Kel-Tec grip pattern thrills me, but those are really minor complaints.

As far as I'm concerned, screw everything else: of everything I saw today, the Kel-Tec is by far the coolest new product. Even if it winds up retailing for $2,000, I'll still save up and get one somehow, because it really is that cool.


Kimber has several new models (the Aegis line has expanded to all three sized weapons), while Colt only has one, which seems to be a ripoff cross between a Wilson Sentinel and a Kimber RCP.
 
Larry, do ya think Kel-Tec is trying to go after the LEO/Military market with the bullpup?
 
So realistically, it's in the same ballpark as a .50 BMG if you're reloading...and at $11,700, the $200 tax stamp and the investment in reloading tools really isn't all that bad.
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Anzio's website says that the Single-Shot 20mm version is available at lower cost. Just depends how vital follow-up shots with your 20mm are.

-MV
 
I like the looks of that bullpup. If its as reliable as the gun the mags are meant for I might just have to buy one.
 
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