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The "locations" are somewhat comical, also.

Lincoln County is in the mountains, not desert as depicted in Young Guns and most Billy the Kid movies.

Biggest fallacy with Young Guns is, they were NOT close in age.

Bill Cody born 1846
Bill Hickok born 1837
Kit Carson born 1809

Pony Express Company 1860-1861

Hollyweird entertainment, nothing more
 
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The "locations" are somewhat comical, also.

Lincoln County is in the mountains, not desert as depicted in Young Guns and most Billy the Kid movies.

Biggest fallacy with Young Guns is, they were NOT close in age.

Bill Cody born 1846
Bill Hickok born 1837
Kit Carson born 1809

Pony Express Company 1860-1861

Hollyweird entertainment, nothing more
cowboys vs aliens was pretty accurate, for hollywood standards
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Ah yes locations, on the scifi side, Independence Day, Guy is chasing alien fighters with a F18 in California, crashes his aircraft and an alien one. He then is seen dragging a body wrapped in his parachute through the Bonneville salt flats in western Utah. Must have been a helluva walk.
 
Ah yes locations, on the scifi side, Independence Day, Guy is chasing alien fighters with a F18 in California, crashes his aircraft and an alien one. He then is seen dragging a body wrapped in his parachute through the Bonneville salt flats in western Utah. Must have been a helluva walk.
or that he could knock out a Alien in a bio suit with one punch!
 
Wonder how many of those prop shops have a sign banning Alec Badlwin?
to be fare, don’t like the guy…but that was the Armorer on duty responsibility insure no live ammo is ever on set. No guns laying around. They should put the gun in the Actors hands before the filming, take it away after the filming.

Most Actors don’t know Squat about gun handling and such. And a Good Armorer should be about to safety hand a gun to a baby and without incident
 
Actors need to be educated as well, if you're gonna handle it your the last user and it falls on you to ensure it is safe. But I forget, these guys make their living saying someone else's words, small wonder they have no real credibility.
 
Actors need to be educated as well, if you're gonna handle it your the last user and it falls on you to ensure it is safe. But I forget, these guys make their living saying someone else's words, small wonder they have no real credibility.
actors Educated is a oxymoron
 
You mean like the fact that the Henry rifle in Dances With Wolves was empty in every scene?

It did not look empty to me when Costner was riding horseback and firing during the buffalo hunt scene.




I took a couple of screen shots of that scene.

Notice the position of the brass follower tab in front of Costner's left hand. The Henry rifle was unique in that there was a slot running the length of the underside of the magazine, and a tab on the bottom of the follower stuck down through the slot. That was how the rifle was reloaded, the tab was pulled all the way forward then the false muzzle was rotated, exposing the end of the magazine so cartridges could be loaded. Anyway, the position of the follower tab in this screen shot tells me the magazine in Costner's Henry was about 1/2 full of cartridges at this point.

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You can actually see the bright brass follower tab in this photo, with a four or five cartridges lined up behind it.

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But if you look very carefully in this screen shot, which takes place moments after Costner shot the buffalo, the bright brass follower tab is further forward, indicating there are now more rounds in the magazine.

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So clearly, between takes, Costner's Henry had been loaded with more cartridges for this take.

No, it was not an original Henry rifle, they cost many thousands of dollars on today's collector market, it was an Uberti replica, and yes, he was most likely shooting blanks.

I enjoy watching Westerns, old ones and new ones, and when I get together with my CAS pals we enjoy talking about some of the inconsistencies we have noticed in moves. It just adds to my enjoyment of the genre. It's called suspension of disbelief.

Part of the suspension of disbelief is that one round of 44 Henry Rimfire would put down a buffalo.

I consider myself to be fairly knowledgeable about the Henry rifle, since I own and shoot an Uberti replica of it.

Here are two shots from one of my favorite Westerns, Lonesome Dove. Gus has been trapped by renegades and is defending himself with his Henry. Yes, it is an Uberti replica of the Henry. Notice the position of the follower tab, indicating the magazine is about half full.

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A moment later, one of the renegades heckles him, so Gus raised the long distance sight on his Henry and shoots the renegade in the belly. I don't know how many takes it took to shoot this scene, but the follower tab on Gus's Henry is closer to his hand now, indicating there are less rounds in the magazine.

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One of the tricks the movie propmen used to use was to remove the forestock from a Winchester Model 1892, so it resembled a Henry rifle.

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Here is a photo of Burt Lancaster shooting what we call a Hollywood Henry in The Scalphunters.

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I know I have talked about suspension of disbelief, but it always bothers me when twice in Winchester '73, an actor talks about the Henry rifle, but clearly it is a Winchester Model 1873 in his hands.



I would have to look up exactly when Uberti began making their replicas of the Henry rifle.

My suspicion is Jeff Corey is holding a real, antique Henry rifle in the original version of True Grit, which came out in 1969.

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The Man From Laramie came out in 1955. That is a real, antique Henry that Aline MacMahon is brandishing. We don't see her actually shoot it, the shot is heard off camera, then the camera pans to her pointing the rifle. Most likely in 1955 original Henry rifles were not as pricey as they are today, but that is a real, antique Henry.

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Just imagine all the good guns those Hollywood movie gun shops have!!! drooling

Not anymore.

Yes, in the past the big movie studios owned lots and lots of guns. Enough to arm small armies. One of the reasons the Colt Single Action Army is usually seen in Westerns is because the studios owned large numbers of them, and they were not very valuable back then. I always cringe when a movie cowboy drops a 1st Gen Colt on the ground and kicks it across the floor of a saloon. The same with the Winchester Model 1892. The studios owned tons of them, that is why you so often see a '92 in movies that are supposed to take place before 1892. The movie going public was not very discriminating, and did not know much about old guns.

As I recall, sometime back in the 1980s the heads of the major studios realized they were sitting on a lot of money with all the old guns they had in their prop rooms, so most of them were sold off. Today when a movie is made the guns will be provided by an armorer, who owns the guns and is responsible to see they are handled safely. The big movie studios don't own very many guns anymore.
 
Stembridge owned most of the old original movie guns but they have all been sold off. Mike Tristano & Company has a large inventory and he rents to them out for movies.
 
All I know is I just watched "Old Henry". When Billy Bonney came out the front door with his 94 Winchester it would have been OK (because it was after 1900) except it had that Ugly Winchester crossbolt safety with the big divot on the right side of the receiver. Ruined the rest of the movie!
 
All I know is I just watched "Old Henry". When Billy Bonney came out the front door with his 94 Winchester it would have been OK (because it was after 1900) except it had that Ugly Winchester crossbolt safety with the big divot on the right side of the receiver. Ruined the rest of the movie!
Cross bolt Safety!!!!! lol
 
Another issue with the guns in westerns is the use of blanks. You can't use the commonly available 5-1 blanks in a percussion gun. That's why so many, particularly with Clint Eastwood, were cartridge conversions. So they looked like percussion guns but fired readily available blanks.
 
Two of my favorite original Henry rifle appearances are in the films "Union Pacific" from 1939 and "Arizona" from 1940. The rifles are used by the leads and have some very nice screen time.
 
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