Coyote warning for pet owners; are you carrying?

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All,

If you don't already, you may want to consider carrying while walking your dog.

The news is reporting that coyote attacks on pets, even dogs on leashes, is on the rise, including in Denver proper, video 3 of 6 (right hand side) found here:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/index.html

Also, note the proximity of where the guy's dog was killed.

The message seems to be watch your pets, even if they're in the "safety" of the fenced backyard, so you may want to have the shotgun on standby.

Thought you might find this interesting.

Take care,
DFW1911
 
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SW Fla Too

The last time I checked there were 7 attacks in the Bonita/Estero area of Lee County near Ft.Myers. Almost all were in gated communities and in the evening when people were walking their small dogs. I believe that several were killed and one man was bitten when he fell trying to protect his dog.
Of course when it was suggested that they carry a gun to shoot the coyote, they were aghast! They couldn't shoot them!:confused:
 
Yep, don't leave your pets outside unattended. I live in the suburbs which are pretty dense, but we still have Coyotes around. Rattlesnakes too.
 
I have a pack of coyotes coming in my yard on a frequent basis. It seems that the pack is about 8-9 strong.

I live in the woods. A month or so ago, I had to listen to them kill a small deer in the woods behind my house.

Hey, I am all about the "Circle of Life" but I ain't going to listen to it going on in my back yard.

I have two little Jack Russell Terriers, and they don't go outside without me. When they go out, I have an AR handy. I am about to start hunting the coyotes and take out the pack altogether.


-- John
 
Check local laws first before you open fire on a coyote in your neighborhood.

That being said, the next county over from me has a bounty on coyotes...$25.
 
Check local laws first before you open fire on a coyote in your neighborhood.


Hehe... no worries here. I also have one of my deer stands within walking distance from my house.


-- John
 
Always, even in the tranquil hills of Northeast Ohio we have some 'yotes and apparently wolves and bears are making a big come back. So in short, yes, and with every mag I can carry in the deep woods.
 
A few years ago someone's little fru-fru dog was mauled pretty badly by a yote. The owner saved it but spent big bucks on its repair.

I put an infrared detector near my driveway for gas/catalytic converter thieves, but so far I've only picked up cats, an armadillo and a big hawk ambushing a dove. Too many houses around here to draw down® on a coyote, but when I walk my wife's dog I carry and also bring a 2" oak stick along for unrestrained mutts.
 
A few months ago I was driving home and saw one of my neighbors walking his two little barking rats. Right after passing him I noticed two coyotes intently stalking him from bush to bush. I immediately backed up and let him know what was happening.

Not long before that, the wife of one of my coworkers had her lab attacked by a pack of 'yotes while out for a walk. That dog ended up needed quite a few stitches to put her back together.

I don't have a dog anymore, but I don't go anywhere unarmed. Even without two-legged critters to worry about I've had more than enough close calls with coyotes and javelina.
 
Plenty of 'yotes where I live, and any outside disturbances are investigated while armed. I don't "walk" my dogs since they have a dog door and securely-fenced area outside, and chase each other around enough to keep themselves in shape.

But I have retired racing Greyhounds, a GSD-mix, and a 36" tall, hundred-pound Scottish Deerhound. I've seen coyotes make wide detours around my dog fence. Enough folks in rural Nebraska hunt them with "cold blood" Greyhounds, lurchers, and longdogs that they know what to avoid.

Friends I know through working Greyhound adoption used to live in the hills outside Los Angeles with a nice fenced yard and two 90-pound male Greys. A coyote was stupid enough to get into their yard with the boys one evening. They removed what was left of the 'yote with the pooper scooper. The Greyhounds were uninjured.
 
I think there are certain counties in CO that pay a bounty for coyotes. I doubt that Denver County is one of them: I have a feeling if I start blasting away with my shotgun it's not the coyote that will be getting the attention when the authorities arrive.

JWarren, how are you dealing with this:
I have a pack of coyotes coming in my yard on a frequent basis. It seems that the pack is about 8-9 strong.

Thanks all,
DFW1911
 
Wolves, Bears and Coyotes oh my

Used to be just foxes in my area of Wisconsin but the coyotes moved in and the foxes lay low now. Neighbor has lost calves and lambs to coyotes and when I hear them at night I take my shotgun out to take a walk around his hog house and have chased a couple away between midnight and 2 AM. Last couple of years we have had feral pig problems and now bears are showing up so dogs outside chained up are not a good idea. We have had a couple of wolves killed on the freeway about 60 miles straight east of me so I know they are coming down the river valley. I'll be seeing them within 5 years. Never thought twice about it growing up in the northwoods but down here where I live now they haven't seen wolves or bears since the 19-teens. Lots of deer and wild turkey on my property so I know they are being hunted by critters.
 
Yeah, there is a lot more wildlife in the metro area than people like to think about.

I routinely see Coyotes and Foxes at night as I drive through densely populated areas of the Denver Metro area, and my wife has had a mountain lion encounter along a paved open space trail in Jefferson County (Van Bibber Park... which is in an urban area).

Your pets are most at risk from a coyote... I wouldn't hesitate to chase the 'yote off myself, even if I wasn't armed. Mountain lions are of far greater concern, as they eat a prey species that is as large as we are!
 
crunker1337 said:
What's the minimum caliber for a coyote? .223? Could a .22LR do the job reliably?

Coyotes are not particularly hard to kill. Any typical defensive handgun caliber has plenty of power to handle a coyote.

A .22lr would work, I'm sure... But, I don't consider that an idea caliber for very much bigger than a rabbit/squirel
 
I have two little Jack Russell Terriers...

Those Jack Russells will get 'em!

I have a wolf/malmute hybrid. She has never been attacked by a coyote. However, one day at the off-leash dog park, she was minding her own business and was attacked by a Jack Russel who was walking with his bitch and puppy. He chomped onto my girl's tail and wouldn't let go! The owner decided to do something besides stand there and watch - just as I was cocking my leg for a swift kick. Those guys are tough and fearless little s.o.b.s!
 
Check this out, it was recently in the news:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/slid...70/detail.html

Talk about too close for comfort.


Wow - Just sent that link to my Brother in law who lives in the Denver area. We will be visiting soon so it's of interest to me too!

Thanks for posting it DFW1911... too bad I won't have my 1911 with me in CO...
 
Where I grew up (central, rural SC), we didn't have coyotes (they had long ago been wiped out) until some moron who had them as pets (illegal) turned a bunch of them loose when DNR came after them... now there is a population of them... they've growled at my grandmother at her mailbox (my stepfather lives next door)... so she called him and he took him out (she made it back in the house safely) with his 7mm-08 (a good 150 yard shot or so, with his bad back, freehand, pretty impressive)... he spends some of his free time now just picking them off as they show themselves... they have little fear of humans, apparently. I always carry in the wood or fishing down there (private property, so no legal issues).
 
We've got coyotes (and cougars) in Santa Fe. I hear 'em at night ssometimes, and every time I walk in the arroyo next to our development I see tracks and scat. I've seen a few during the day, very nonchalant. Unfortunately, there are too many houses too close to really take a shot. Most folks know better than to leave their pets out unattended, but we still see enough "Lost Cat" fliers to figure some have yet to get the word . . .

Lst summer there was an immature cougar picking off cats and chickens in town, maybe a mile from where we live, and another one broke into a jewelry store in town (who knows why). A couple of [very brave] SFPD cops cornered it in the bathroon and tranquilized it, FIsh & Game hauled if off to the boonies. More recently (like last month), a man downstate was killed and eated by a cougar. Haven't seen any bears yet.
 
One hundred and fifty years ago, coyotes were only found in Arizona, New Mexico, Southern Colorado, Southern Utah and Southern California. As we began to remove the higher predators (mountain lions and wolves, mainly) they began to spread. They have now been spotted in every state in the Union save only Hawaii (they can swim, but not that far). They've even trapped them out of Central Park in NYC, where they had to walk across one of the bridges to get there.

They are the second-most successful predator on the North American continent (we're first, folks). They are successful precisely because they are non-specialized. They will eat just about anything, small dogs, cats, garbage, dog or cat food, mice, rats, small snakes, vegetables (right out of your garden). The Navajo will tell you that a coyote can tell a ripe watermelon from one that isn't ripe yet and break open the ripe one and eat it.

The only successful coyote abatement project yet known was the re-introduction of wolves into Yellowstone. Prior to the re-introduction of wolves, coyotes had taken over Yellowstone, but the wolves quickly reduced the population by about 75%. Now the coyotes only live right around the populated areas of the park where the wolves don't go. The Lamar Valley, where the wolves are the most at home, is free of coyotes.

They are the second fastest land animal in North America (for short distances only, the pronghorn can outrun them). Wolves can run them down because of their superior stamina.

They are adaptive breeders. In the pack, if the local area is "full" (it has a full complement of coyotes based upon the food supply), only the alpha female comes into estrous and she will only have one or two pups (the whole pack will feed and raise them). Just enough to offset natural mortality. If you shoot down or trap down the local population, every adult female in the pack will come into heat, they'll all produce a litter and they'll pretty much immediately fill the range back up within twelve months. How they do that is not well understood, but it is well documented. That is why the old Federal programs to "eradicate" the coyote in rural areas of the West was and is a failure. If you do manage to kill off the adults, you will get pups from the surrounding area who will quickly repopulate the whole place and pups will be even more likely to kill livestock because they didn't have adult pack members to teach them better manners.

As noted, they are not particularly afraid of people. They become less so because idiots leave out dog food or put it out on purpose 'cause they "think they're cute." I throw rocks at them when I see them, just so they don't think humans are entirely harmless.

The best book on them is God's Dog, by Hope Ryden.

I live in an urban neighborhood that has two packs (yes, I can tell them apart, the numbers are different and the individuals are different). I can carry a firearm, but I can't discharge it (too close to residences), so I carry a small bear spray when I walk my dog (although she's not really at risk, she's a 114-pound Rhodesian Ridgeback — she just looks at them and they just look at her and then everybody goes their separate ways). I'm more afraid of the Javelinas we have, they're dumb and almost blind and will charge just about anything if they are challenged or surprised and they can do a lot of damage to a dog or a person.

Just so you understand my interest, my screen name, Chuhhuniban, means Gray Coyote in Tohono O'odham. I've watched and lived around them all my life. I like coyotes, but I don't have any problem with people hunting them or destroying them when they become a nuisance. I'll just tell you that you are about as likely to get rid of them as you are to get rid of cockroaches. You can thin 'em out for a while, but like Aah-nold, "they'll be back."
 
Had an outdoor cat that was 15years old or so and never went more than 50 ft from her house out back. Last week I left the gate open one night after bringing the trash cans in. Haven't seen the cat since, just gone without a trace. She could squeeze under the fence anytime so I know she didn't just leave. My guess is a coyote. This is in western TN.
 
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