Craziness At My Local Range Today

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Gangsta Grip & Call Signs

One thing I have notcied about the ergonomics of the horizontal "gansta grip" is that is tends to string the spread casued by poor trigger control vertically rather than horizintally. I suppose this coud potentially increase the hit probability on a human target, but not by much.

I heard a rumor that LAO and FD/ambulance crews had worked out their own special call code for idiots who experience NDs while trying to stuff or draw a Glock from the front of their sweat pants. Seems the castration shot is becoming a common medical complaint in some neighborhoods.
 
Talentless hardware junkies are a problem in every sport. I ride motorcycles, and until sidelined by a racing injury, used to ride at a fairly spirited clip on the twisty backroads. I've never owned the latest and greatest sportbikes because I never needed them. If I really wanted to go fast, I'd ride an SV650 racebike on the track. On the street I could hand pretty much anyone his ass with my two-generation old 600cc sportbike, and if I couldn't, hardware wasn't the issue. And the people who were faster than me weren't the ones on brand-new open-class (1000cc) sportbikes--they were guys on older beaters like mine.

We'd get these punks showing up for rides decked out in Valentino-Rossi replica helmets, $1,500 Ku????ani leathers with pristine knee sliders, unscuffed toe protectors on their boots, and tricked-out Suzuki GSX-R 1000s with two-inch chicken strips on their tires. (If you ever want to tell if a bike rider is a poser, check the edges of his tires. If there is a bald spot running down the middle and the outer edges are pristine and unscuffed, you've found a poser.)

We cringed when these neophytes would show up, because we'd invariably end up extracting their bikes from a ditch somewhere. We generally ride only 10-20 above the posted speed limits on busy areas and straight stretches, then speed up when we get to the twisties. Most of us have ridden together for many years and we practice a smooth style of riding. We seldom use our brakes--we set our corner speeds before entering a turn, then begin accelerating out of the turn at the apex. This is the correct way to ride fast. These young pups think that just because we don't ride at 100+mph on the straights that we ride slow. It takes as much skill to ride fast in the straights as it does to change the channel on a television set. When we get to the twisties, these fools are taken completely by surprise. They don't see brakelights because we don't use our brakes--we speed up instead of slow down. That's usually when all hell breaks loose.

When these kids show up on their GSX-Rs, Ducatis, and R1s, they tend to be self-promoting blow hards. If they manage to stick with us until lunch time, they are generally pretty quiet. If they make it to the end of the ride, they've actually learned a thing or two about riding motorcycles.
 
I got yelled at by the RO one time for taking pictures. There are absolutely no signs or rules posted about taking pictures - I checked before taking them. A friend of a friend was in town from the other side of the country and wanted to go shooting, so we went. He wanted pictures, so I took some of him while shooting. Then the RO comes over the speaker and yells at me not to do that again and that I should know better :rolleyes: Apparently my reputation as a psychic had proceeded me, since that particular "rule" wasn't posted. As a matter of fact, it STILL isn't posted. I don't shoot there anymore, I prefer outdoor ranges.
 
perhaps the know it all elites should teach the idiots the proper way to do things?

no better way to drive people away from the shooting sports than insulting the unenlightened right off the line.

PGO gangstas should possibly be given one of dave/sm/correia why pgo shotguns are bad speaches.

the low cut cleavage gal and the skirt should maybe be told what proper range atire is.

the women who looked down the barrel carefully taken aside and told FOR GODS SAKE WOMEN DONT DO THAT!!!!!

at least if you tell them, then they've been told. If you tell them nothing somebodies gonna lose a body part.

if they dont listen then hey, you did your part.


on my list is an old guy shooting a 30-06 without ear protection. said "what" a lot.

i had a low cut shirt incident like mentioned above, girl screemed and danced around until i calmly reached over and plucked the brass out from between'em.

had a guy open up while i was down range once, hid behind the berm until he went dry, then walked back, didnt say a thing, didnt have too, by the time i reached the bench he was gone.
 
Last fall a buddy of mine just got a new Ruger and wanted to go to the range with me and a few other buddies. We got there and started shooting when another group of individuals (2 males and a female) can over and put up their targets. They had a Sig and everything was going fine as I didn't see any unsafe acts until the female pulled out a camera and wanted to get some pictures posing with the Sig. So, one of the guys hands her the Sig (she didn't check to make sure it was cleared) and she starts waiving it around (finger on trigger) while doing some poses as one of the guys took the pictures. After about 10 pictures the female finally asked "is this thing loaded" (finger still on trigger). :banghead:

Now I knew it wasn't loaded as I watched the guy clear it before handing it to her (she didn't know though because her back was towards him), but who in the hell takes a firearm from someone without making sure it's cleared? My 2 year old niece would know better than to do such a moronic thing. :cuss:
 
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The lanes at the range I go to have divider partitions between lanes that protrude out about six inches between each lane. It amazes me that there are so many bullet holes in every single one of them. How do people do that?
 
Scariest range divider I ever saw was at the Midrand shooting range between Johannesburg and Pretoria in South Africa. Pulled in to shoot one day, and was assigned a lane where the brick dividing walls on either side of the shooting bay had great big half-moon divots blown out of them. I asked the RO what had happened, and he casually mentioned that a new reloader had tested his first .44 Magnum loads in that bay the previous day. He'd double-charged one round... the "divots" were where the two halves of his S&W Model 29 cylinder had impacted on either side of the bay! :what:
 
All I can say is I'm thankful I shoot at Quantico! The Marines are pretty picky about who is allowed to shoot there. I get to watch boring things like multiple bulls at 1000x with M92's and M40's, and professionals getting ready to go to "work" in Iraq. I have also picked up a lot of good tips and techniques from those folks.

We also shoot at a second range that is very good- The gangsters reminded my of what happened down there one Saturday- There were a few of us from work including one black guy and an Army E-8 (also black and on leave from Iraq), down at one end of the range when a similar group waltzed in with a PG shotgun. After about 10 rounds and the yelling, laughing, etc. The E-8 and our other guy walked down to the group and proceeded to chew a** (and believe me Army 1st Sgt's CAN chew a**). A very chastised group of gangsters got very safe very quickly. Later I asked him what he said, and he basically told them they were embarassing him and if they screwed up, HE was going to take care of them and their PG shotgun and stick it where it would get their attention. They left shortly afterwards. After we came off the range, the range manager thanked us for "straightening" things out.

Probably the all time stupidest thing I have ever witnessed was a DEA type down in Florida who was practicing drawing from an SOB holster (against the range rules). He was told to stop by the RO, but went right back to drawing and had an ND that ricocheted off the BACK wall of the range. He left immediately thereafter and we never saw him again. :what:
 
the "divots" were where the two halves of his S&W Model 29 cylinder had impacted on either side of the bay!
Oh my - sorry if I ... :D :D - tho glad no one was hurt!!!

Mind you - I don't know how I'd double charge one of my .44 mag cases - it's already full with normal charge!! :p Perhaps he decided Bullseye would be good!! :eek:
 
Having worked as a range safety officer at the Chabot range in Alameda County CA, I have seen just about everything:

Slavic types sweeping everyone on the range with multiple rifles as they uncase about 15 feet behind the line,

the Chinese family that just can't avoid being close and swarm up around the shooter though they have no "eyes" or "ears", almost overwhelming the shooter on the next bench,

the giggly Japanese tourists (male and female gigglers) who grab an auto in each hand, step 10 feet back from the line, broadly gesture into the air and yell "Rambo!",

the NRA lifetime member that intentionally turns his firearm to violate the 180 rule during cease fire because he doesn't like the female officer on duty at the time telling him to keep the muzzle down range, etc.

Regarding gear freaks I am less tense. They spend so much time sorting through the bright shiny objects that they don't do much. The yahoos, etc. who can't shoot worth a dang and make up for it with noise do annoy me. I am a VERY mediocre shooter, but can put 50 or so .38 spl rounds into the 10 ring from offhand at 7 yards (they don't know the difference) and the single oversized hole usually gets their attention.

Ask me about gear freak bicyclists sometime.
 
Yeah, Guy, don't ya just wish those annoying immigrants would go back home? :uhoh: This message has been brought to you by Sarcasm. Sarcasm; answering fools according to their folly since the tenth century B.C.
 
Guy: yep I have a lot of respect for you RSOs at Chabot. During the cease fires, as I see you guys walking down the line, I always think "if I had that job, I'd wear body armor."
 
I have taken my turn as a club RO so folks can sight in the rifles for the hunting season. The behavior encountered certainly has a definite pucker factor associated with it. I have to tell you that I would not trust some folks I have met at the range with a pea shooter much less a hunting rifle.

As an RO you have a world of excitement opened up for you. Geez! :rolleyes:

At times I am afraid. Very Afraid! Most folks cooperate and obey the rules but when the few chuckle heads do stupid things boy do they do stupid things! :eek:

Well I guess that is just the way it goes.
 
A year or so ago my son and I were at a local public range when a car with about 5 "gangsters" pulled up with a 12 ga mossberg with a pistol grip still in the box. One of them walked down range and put up a box about 3 ft square and loaded the 12 ga and shot and missed it by a mile then he stood there and looked at the gun like it had done something wrong. The gun was passed from one to the other with simular results. Then the largest guy fugured out that you might need to aim with it to hit the box. So he takes the gun holds it about 2 inches in front of his face and gets a good sight picture and pulls the trigger. Well he hit the box but the butt of the gun caught him in the face, blood everywhere, most likley broke his nose. Now its back to the car and down the road, bet the gun went back to the place they bought it with the complaint the it won't hit where you point it like in the movies. After we got thru wiping the tears out of our eyes from laughing we went back to shooting


That's funny I saw almost the exact same thing happen not 3 weeks ago.
Similar shotgun too. This guy and his buddies to include his Gf/wife/sister whatever came in on the first shot he clunked himself in the head. The funny thing is that they had come in to the gun store I was at before we went to the range and wanted the cheapest ammo the store had, which just so happened to be 3'' buck. (they were running a special on the 10 packs) I don't envy this guys headache, I think he knocked himself out, or at least over. :what: :D :D :D
 
I can mention this shop/range now that they have closed. Creekside Gunshop had many crazys' show, but only on occasion. I was out there every other week and it did appear as if the flock of them were showing up on the same day. This would be the last Saturday of each month.

I was with a few shooting buddies one Saturday when three men came in with an assortment of carbines and shotguns, accompanied by a 12 pack of beer. YEAH! ... like that's going to happen. We IMMEDIATELY packed up our belongings and on our way out dropped a line to the range officer inside. I never went back to the range after that. It was apparent things were spiraling out of control there. The ROs were growing more and more apathetic to safety as the final days were counting down.

Ranges are a thing of the past now. All I have to do is walk 500 feet out in back on the land behind me and shoot all I want. Good neighbors (especially those who own farm land) are priceless. :)
 
Slavic types sweeping everyone on the range with multiple rifles as they uncase about 15 feet behind the line,
the Chinese family that just can't avoid being close and swarm up around the shooter though they have no "eyes" or "ears", almost overwhelming the shooter on the next bench,
the giggly Japanese tourists (male and female gigglers) who grab an auto in each hand, step 10 feet back from the line, broadly gesture into the air and yell "Rambo!",

I have no doubt that these are actual incidents. Nevertheless, I'm with fistful on this one. This post gets a big ol' :rolleyes: .

Don't tell me, you're white, right? Want me to tell you how many 'necks I've seen do Jacka$$ things at the range? Stupidity transcends all boundaries, unfortunately. No need to point out ethnicities you deem inferior.

If someone's shooting poorly, it's their business (unless they ask for help). If someone's displaying unsafe gunhandling, it's usually our duty as more experienced shooters to show them what's what (unless they're REALLY dangerous, then it's just time to book). My opinion, anyways.
 
Stereotyping. That's a tough one. My wife and I discuss this a lot. I think different cultures have standards that foster certain types of behavior. For example, every time we go to Chipotle, I tell my wife that some heavy-set, rude African American woman is going to tell the Mexican dude working behind the counter to put more of something on her burrito--more meat, sour cream, cheese. She gets mad at me, then gets even madder because it happens every single time we go to our local Chipotle. As if their giant burritos needed more of anything, or these obese women needed more calories. Does this mean that I'm a racist? Maybe, but that doesn't negate the fact that it happens every single time we go to Chipotle. And it's never white people (or skinny black men, or Asian people, or Hispanic people, either). What gives? Apparently there is some component in the culture of the black community in Brooklyn Park, Minnesota that predisposes heavy set African American women to be demanding and greedy.

But we all bring cultural baggage to the table. I have a ton of it from growing up in an extremely lower middle class, extremely small town in northwestern Minnesota. Since there are so few people with my cultural experience, people just think I'm excedingly peculiar and don't generalize or stereotype based on my behavior. But in northwestern Minnesota, people from lager, more affluent, progressive communities would stereotype me as being from my particular area. In fact, if someone from another town couldn't hold their liquor or got violent when drunk, they were insulted by being accused of hailing from my hometown.

What I'm saying is that we stereotype people from different communities in part because some aspect of the culture in those communities leads to the behavior being stereotyped, at least for a percentage of the population. There are a lot of Somalie taxi drivers. Quite a few Hmong kids really do drive like idiots. An awful lot of black kids from certain neighborhoods really do sit on porches and stand around in the middle of the street all day long. Most of those scrawny, toothless white dudes who look like the long-lost members of Lynyrd Skynyrd really are meth addicts.

The fact is, a disturbing percentage of the entire human race consists of A-holes. I think cultural differences make people from certain ethnic groups manifest their inner A-holes in different ways. But the reverse is true, too. A smaller percentage of the human race is inherently decent, and it seems to me that percentage is fairly consistent across all cultural and ethnic barriers. I see a lot of black kids at Bill's in Robinsdale who are genuinely interested in firearms and target shooting, just like I was when I was their age. Because of stereotyping, because these kids dress, walk, and talk in the way that their particular culture demands of them, we often assume their interest stems from bad intent. Maybe we should invest a little effort into mentoring them.

It all seems pretty straightforward when you think about it, a problem easily solved if we took an honest look at the situation. Unfortunately this is a conversation that can't be had in this country without being labeled a racist.
 
After reading all these stories...I have to wonder why there aren't any scantily clad women at the range where I shoot. It is only occupied by a bunch of ugly guys like me! Or maybe I just don't go enough to see them...
 
fistful, BamBam-31,

I don't do stereotyping or immigrant bashing. I have been the recipient of ethnic slights as I have frequently been taken as a member of several ethnic groups: Mexican (even received insult from Mexicans on this account), Arabic (Jewish boss suggested I apply for minority status to gain advantage in job) and black (go figure). I know what it looks like from the other side.

In the cases I noted, the cultural background and lack of communication led to scary incidents.

I would assume that the Balkan gents are accustomed to being around casually held firearms given the recent events in that part of the world, our common language was Russian and I am very poor with that language having had only a year of it in college;

the Chinese were difficult because I am rusty on my Mandarin and could not effectively communicate. The Chinese do not mind being VERY close to each other. This family seemed uncomfortable not being within close reach of each other, perhaps because they felt alone in a strange place.

The Japanese tourist ARE almost a stereotype as they commonly go overboard when brought to the range after living on a diet of American violent films. Almost invariably giggles all around. Happy Fizzy party.

You gentlemen failed to note the comments on the NRA lifer who did, in fact fit the stereotype of "redneck" to a T. Likewise the yahoos who are largely jock/WASP looking types.
 
I worked both indoor and outdoor ranges - memorable moments? Hmmmm

A whole family of visitors from Argentina, waving thier Borwning HPs up and down the lane, figers on triggers. I wasn't working there yet, so I boogied.
A group of gangbagers wandering in, wave of pot smoke preceding, asking in an unfocused way to rent guns and lanes - told to leave immediately.
A local yokel wanna be asking me to fix his firearm - a Tec ( where the frame broke just behind the magwell, splitting the gun in two! He asked me if I could GLUE it together! I disremember exactly what I told him....laughing to hard.
A group of wanna bes shooting at 5 yards, shoving thier pistols forward at the moment of firing, (to give it that extra inch per hour speed boost?), and not hitting a thing...
And best - an FBI agent stepping forward of the shooting line to retrieve a magazine for his MP10 - after he got chewed out bu yours truely, he bribed me by letting me run a few mags through the MP10. 2 round burst, and what a joy to shoot. Out of production, never made for civvies, I'll never get to do that again....
Look at all the holes in the shooting benches, and marks on walls, ceilings, and floors of your fave indoor range. :fire:
 
Yup, at the public range I go to there is a group of idiots who are Security Guards acting like they are Swat. They are actually hilarious to watch, but I do stand back a little when they start doing their stuff.
 
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