Craziness At My Local Range Today

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the NRA lifetime member that intentionally turns his firearm to violate the 180 rule during cease fire because he doesn't like the female officer on duty at the time telling him to keep the muzzle down range, etc.


Sorry, I read this one as a male-female thing. NRA lifetime member does not automatically mean 'neck to me, hence its omission in my listing of your ethnic critiques. Websters defines "yahoos" as "crude, boisterous people." Hmm, no white in that definition. Maybe it's white according to your stereotypes. Slavic, Chinese, and Japanese, those are specific. Again, I have no doubt the incidents you describe are actual. It's the singling out of certain ethnicities that offends because it implies that they're ALL like that. Frankly, despite your claim that you don't stereotype or bash immigrants, you do just that in both your posts. Note the use of "the" in reference to Japanese tourists and Chinese families, not "a." Note the use of Slavic "types." These are your words, not mine. With all due respect, I don't think you're being completely honest with yourself. The fact that you also stereotype jocks/rednecks/WASP's doesn't mean you don't stereotype, it means you do.

Again, I'm not saying there's no truth behind some of the stereotyping. I own apartment buildings in low income Hispanic neighborhoods ("El Barrio"), so most of the Mexicans I interact with are less than savory. Nevertheless, I don't go around posting "Yeah, the Mexican bangers that come to my range are dunderheads!" That would needlessly promote a negative stereotyping of Mexicans. I hope you can appreciate the difference.

Regarding wannabe's and their gear: I'm a solid hockey player. Nothing spectacular, but as a reliable defenseman, there's no shortage of teams wanting me to play for them. I was taught to buy the best skates I could afford (even if it meant skimping on other gear), because lesser skates would impede the development of my skating skills. So I bought some pretty pricey skates. Nowadays, there are only a handful of guys in my league that I can't keep up with. When I see a new player with good skates, I think he's on the right path. Better to have skates he can grow into than the other way around.
 
That's a nice picture. :)

If I've misread your posts, then I apologize. However, I don't believe I have.

Out of respect for P95Carry, I'm gonna drop this. ;)
 
Ya know...

There's a dang good reason that stereotypes exist.
Just like there's a good reason that old home remidies remain.

Because of numerable times that they have proven themselves to be true.

Let's face the facts folks... people from different backgrounds DO act differently. It's currently called "cultural diversity". It will never cease. Especially in today's overly-sensitive-politically-correct-celebrate-diversity-warm-fuzzy-logic-be-damned-why-can't-we-just-all-get-along-it's-for-the-children-it-takes-a-village-idiot-mentality society.

Simply commenting on someone's actions because they happens to conform to a PATTERN previously observed, is not being racist.

It's not what you say but HOW you say it. The term Asian-American (just to cite one example) CAN be racist and demeaning if spoken in a snide or insulting manner.

Look at the common term black people in this country often use to descrive each other. As a caucasian person if I use that word I am automatically branded a racist. Even though my black friends often use that term towards me and don't seem to mind if I use it towards them. (Of course I have paid some dues on the road with several of them.) But by the same token, darker skinned people often use a term to describe caucasian people that is almost never used by themselves.

But then again, I'm just a old, bald, fat, sexually inadaquate, gun-tottin', christian, redneck, white guy. What do I know?
 
I was taught to buy the best skates I could afford (even if it meant skimping on other gear), because lesser skates would impede the development of my skating skills. So I bought some pretty pricey skates.... When I see a new player with good skates, I think he's on the right path. Better to have skates he can grow into than the other way around.
Good point, Bam-Bam.

Guy, I didn't assume you were a racist, but this is a public forum, and you sure sounded like one, especially to passers-by that are still making up their minds on how to stereotype us gun-owners. Will they type us as Klan members, or as something more positive?
 
Let's face the facts folks... people from different backgrounds DO act differently. It's currently called "cultural diversity".

Simply commenting on someone action because it happens to conform to a PATTERN previously observed, is not being racist.




Agreed. And I'm not white.

BamBam, I think you're being overly sensitive regarding Guy's post.

Guy: Keep on trucking. I shoot IDPA at Chabot but I've only been to public range once. And I gotta tell ya, it was pretty dang eye-opening. The lane next to me got yelled at 3 times in maybe an hour, for uncasing behind the lanes, fiddling with something on the bench during cease-fire, and rapid-fire. I even made a comment to Bob, who was the range officer at that time, that I don't know how you guys deal with that stuff on a daily basis. I'd go nuts.
 
Bluesbear, that's pretty much what I was getting at, and we are all shaped by the culture in which we are raised. It's impossible not to be. It's this fear we have in this country of addressing that issue for fear of being politically incorrect or even worse, racist, that is a large cause of the racial discord we are now experiencing. The way I see it, until we can start discussing such things like adults, it is only going to get worse.
 
Town?

Glen ... We need a the name of the town you live in if you are going to post stuff like this.

I once helped a very small, cute as a button Thai girl in a very small t-shirt in a very cold range shoot my Walther P22 after she gave up trying to shoot her friends' boyfriends HK USPC .40. She liked the Walther so much she went and bought her own, a used one. A moment I will not soon forget.
 
I think different cultures have standards that foster certain types of behavior.

Lighten up!! The guy is bending over backward to sound light-hearted about obvious differences in various cultures.

Mexicans and Canadians will define cold different, don't you think? If one comments on the others' shivering/sweating this is racist?

I didn't read or perceive anything remotely racist in that post. This PC stuff is taking the fun out of being human. :banghead:
 
i'm puzzled by the shooters who are interested in what guns i am shooting and think its 'okay' to handle them during a ceasefire. and then they get all offended when i say "wait until everyones back from downrange and we get a 'clear to fire'. :uhoh:

there was one japanese tourist that showed up at the pistol range, didnt know anyone there, didnt have any guns of his own, but didnt matter since about half the shooters offered to let him try out their guns. he really liked it, and had people take his picture while shooting. he wasnt overbearing about it and its probably his one chance to ever shoot guns he can't touch back in japan.

there was another guy, he was from sweden, migrated here, he had a .44 mag with him, and was pretty darn good with it. he was also quite good with my kimber.

i think that for each worthwhile interaction one has at the range, there really is 5 or 6 negative encounters with idiots.

we all have range horror stories to tell.
 
Hey Guy!

Hey Guy,

A short word of thanks. I've shot at a lot of ranges, and for me, Chabot is right up at the top. You folks do a superb job of keeping us shooters safe, ensuring a good time for all. The place is so well run that my semiparanoid girl friend actually allowed me to introduce her eight year old son to shooting there.

Playing hookey from work, packing my handguns and lunch on the Hog and heading for Chabot from San Francisco is about as good as it gets, sometimes. Here's the website:
http://www.chabotgunclub.com

An island of sanity in the Bay Area.
 
Juggler, do you think I was calling someone else a racist? I was just trying to choose my words carefully so I wouldn't be perceived as a racist myself. I guess I succeeded.

Spacemanspiff, a ratio of five or six idiots to every one decent person pretty much mirrors the population at large.
 
From this last Sunday at the range:

A few bays down there where two mid twenties thugs, one teaching the other how to shoot. One guy was yelling at the other, "you need to learn how to shoot because the white man doesn't want you to know how to shoot back". Made me a little uncomfortable.

When I came out of the range to the store, it was empty expect for the four employees, one of which was at the door with his 1911 unholstered and at the ready and another on the phone with 911. Apparently a known troublemaker had started yelling at one of the employees. When the employee told him to leave, the guy tried to grab him. They forced him off the premise at gunpoint.

What kinda dumbass causes trouble in a gun store with four obviously armed employees?

-jason m
 
LOL, this was a great read!!!

Had one experience from the military that kind of fits in here (the weapon stupidity part). The bad part was, this came from an SF unit. A friend of mine got stuck as the unit armor for 6 months. And this team was out practicing building clearing (we did it a little different than the LEO's), and when this LT went to clear his before turning it in, he got the steps a little mixed up.
1st mistake, when pulling slide, forgot to check mag well (this was the last of the 1911's we had). 2nd released slide, then dropped magazine. Lastly pull trigger. Unfortunately, step one chambered a round that made at least one full trip around the 10x20 ft armour plated arms room we had.

Even some of the best trained people in the world are still prone to "brain farts" every now and then.
 
Sigh....sorry, P95Carry.

Guys, re-read my posts.

There's a dang good reason that stereotypes exist.
Just like there's a good reason that old home remidies remain. Because of numerable times that they have proven themselves to be true.

Funny, I thought I said that.

It's not what you say but HOW you say it.

I said that, too.

BamBam, I think you're being overly sensitive regarding Guy's post.

Really? Then why the following post?

Guy, I didn't assume you were a racist, but this is a public forum, and you sure sounded like one, especially to passers-by that are still making up their minds on how to stereotype us gun-owners. Will they type us as Klan members, or as something more positive?

Guy's post is there for all to see. Re-read it. It centers solely and repeatedly on negative ethnic stereotyping. He's not simply commenting on some cultural idiosyncrasy. If the aim was to illustrate strange happenings at a range, there was no need to center it around "giggly Japanese tourist" stereotypes. The condesension in that post is rather apparent; if you can't see it, perhaps it's because you're a little too accustomed to that kind of attitude.

Again, maybe I'm misreading Guy's posts, or maybe he just came off wrong with what he was trying to say. THR's a pretty big place, but, IIRC, Guy's one of the good guys. Benefit of the doubt, eh? ;)
 
I am no longer a range safety officer at Chabot. (It IS the most beautiful and tightly run range in this area--the latter being something some people don't like.) The NRA lifer incident just moved me to a decision I had been putting off.

I was off duty and shooting in the next bay. I get nervous about someone pointing a gun in my direction, so I called the RO on it.

The lifer was about twice my size and 100 times as aggressive and bigoted to boot--the reaction to the lady range safety officer being a sign. He lit into me for being a latte and wine sipping Yuppie (I'm not THAT wealthy). John Maunder, the Range Master, came down after the assistant didn't make much headway and told the guy to pack up. The guy started to take his pistol off the bench to recase behind the line, sweeping John in the process.

End of the story is that they had the gentleman escorted off by the police.

By the way John had been considering whether to arm the safety officers. I carry triple action Mace from an experience on BART, but would not have wanted the responsibility of CCW on the range. Just too close to the tension.

Disclaimer: The above individual is not representative of NRA lifetime members. His actions under that title are degrading to others holding that title.


On the ethnic thing, people do, in fact, have traits based on cultural heritage. To deny this is to deny reality and to deny those people their unique identity. On the other hand, having been raised in the influence of a Mexican-American and Japanese-American community I know there are quibbles within the ethnic groups about that image.

Discrimination is where people are deprived based on ethnic traits.
 
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Creekside Gunshop..

Taurus 66..


You ever shoot at their indoor range? I remember many, many years ago when there were several of us all shooting at the indoor range. Even though the exhaust fan was on, "gunsmoke" hung so low it was like a L.A. haze.

Now that Creekside is no longer, there are other outdoor ranges available in the area.. club wise. (1).. CANANDAIGUA SPORTSMAN CLUB (2)..VICTOR ROD AND GUN CLUB (3).. Lima Gun Club (4).. Outlet Rod & Gun Club-Penfield (5).. The Rochester Rifle Club (6).. Geneva Gun Club.

As far as Gun shops in that same area, as far as I'm concerned there's only one you should deal with.. Pro Gun Services @ 7387 Route 96, Victor, NY 14564 (716) 924-1733

Firestar_M40
 
FireStar_M40,

The big joke that had been circulating around for many years was that it was "Crookside" - because people felt everything was overpriced ... including ammunition to dump into their back hills.

I never used their indoor range. Infact, I never knew they had one. I visited from '99-'02. Perhaps this range was open earlier than my time there. For all I can remember, shooting was outdoors ONLY? Indoor ranges are not how I like to shoot anyways ... that is unless I unleash my 357 in the basement on 5 ply x 1" plywood (a rare occasion shooting in the basement). :)

I don't know yet about Pro Gun Services but I will check on them. Thanks for the information.

BTW, do you tune into Lonsberry?
 
No you didn't say it. I said it (well two out or four anyways)
You may have implied it but I said it, outright, plain English.
I never got that beating around the bush thingy down very well.
And I am the most POLITICALLY INCORRECT person you'll even meet. (and damnable proud of it too)

Before this thread gets shut down for being a race discussion why is it that no one has brought sexism into play?

I seem to recall that this thread started by describing someone dressed in a skirt and stilleto heels, bending over in a sleevless top, shooting poorly and behaving rudely. One could assume that a Bimbo (or worse) was being described.

The implication is that it's wrong to judge someone at the range based on what passport they carry or how they be acting, but it's OK to judge someone at the range based on the size of her bazookas?

:banghead:

The point is that all of the descriptions so far have helped us paint a mental picture of what was happening. And NONE of it was used to deny anyone of anything.
Therefore there was NO discrimination.

If anything it just goes to show that anyone can be a stupid shooter regardless of race, creed, religion, sex or political correctness.

Kinda like The High Road illustrates that anyone can be a responsible gun owner/shooter regardless of race, creed, religion, sex or political correctness.
 
Bluesbear Wrote: "Before this thread gets shut down for being a race discussion why is it that no one has brought sexism into play?"

I honest to God don't know what the hang up is with "race vs race" or "one sex vs the other". Troll lines seem to run rampant at times, thus altering the course of an otherwise happy, healthy thread. This one appears to be doing well and is not frowned upon by the powers that be. Remember, THR is more tolerant than most of the other sites out there. You can say a lot here and get away with it, though I advise not pushing your luck.

There is a fine line.
 
If anything it just goes to show that anyone can be a stupid shooter regardless of race, creed, religion, sex or political correctness.

I said that, too. ;) If you actually read my posts, you'll find that we agree much more than we disagree.

What I didn't say was that there was some type of discrimination going on. I objected to the needless condescending stereotyping of certain ethnicities. I thought it was both uncalled for and inappropriate. No more, no less.

Ironic how being anti-PC is the PC thing to do on THR. Makes being PC the free-thinking thing to do. Weird. :scrutiny:
 
Bam-Bam, when I said "wanna-be", that was in relation to thier gangbanger dress, tattoos, attitude, cheap junk guns, etc. And, working in a prison, I do know what gang tats and attitudes look like.
As for race/religion/creed/national origin, I work with members of every race, religion, (yes, we even have a Sikh officer) national origin, (two working while on green cards) etc. I don't care - two teams inside the wall, two colors. Brown and orange. Any other differences kinda fade out...
 
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