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As much as I love CZ I do not think it is any more value than a "new" one bought today. Around $500 or so. Even though it is not shot it is technically a used gun (second owner) I doubt it has a collector value. Most CZ's came with a test target.
atblis
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Blued? Have the box and serial numbered mags?
Definitely more than 500. I'd guess $800.
Definitely more than 500. I'd guess $800.
earlthegoat2
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I sold one on GB 4 years ago that had been fired, no box, with import marks for 500.
I think the fact this has no import marks makes quite an oddity. Add to that being unfired with all the things it had when it was new as well as being 4 years later, I would also say it is worth quite a bit more than 500.
It could potentially be a collectors item I would think. I still would estimate it at being between 800-1000 to the right buyer.
I think the fact this has no import marks makes quite an oddity. Add to that being unfired with all the things it had when it was new as well as being 4 years later, I would also say it is worth quite a bit more than 500.
It could potentially be a collectors item I would think. I still would estimate it at being between 800-1000 to the right buyer.
GlockFan
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I keep an eye on gb for pre b models. I would guess you could get 700 or so.
Walt Sherrill
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You can get more than a new CZ-75B, but it takes a special buyer, and someone who really hasn't had many of the Pre-Bs. A few parts, especially "safetY leverl"-related parts for some of the older ones are almost impossible to find in the U.S. That shouldn't be a concern with a NIB gun, but can be with older ones. If it's blued, that's a plus, because the finish on most olders ones are a fragile paint.
$700 - $800 with the right buyer. I've bought them for less, but not in recent years (as I quit doing pre-Bs.) I just go for newer guns with warranties, and after-market parts, now -- but have never really had a warranty-related issue with any CZ.
(My first pre-B was a very early one, with the fragile finish. Glorious trigger!! It had the safety lever with the pin hole on top -- you use a pin or needle in that hole to retain the coil spring inside the lever if you have to take the safety off. If that spring goes walkabout, you won't find a replacement. Mine didn't have the half-cock safety notch on the hammer, which was a later upgrade. The hammers are wider on the oldest ones, and you can't use a current Kadet Kit on them -- as the hammer won't fit in the notch at the rear of the Kadet Kit slide. Some folks suffer hammer bite from the older models. Sears are different, too. Sights are hard to find if you don't keep them original, many of the newer mags won't work in the older guns, but the guns can be modified to use them, and CZ-USA sells pre-B mags. There are other minor issues, etc, etc.)
$700 - $800 with the right buyer. I've bought them for less, but not in recent years (as I quit doing pre-Bs.) I just go for newer guns with warranties, and after-market parts, now -- but have never really had a warranty-related issue with any CZ.
(My first pre-B was a very early one, with the fragile finish. Glorious trigger!! It had the safety lever with the pin hole on top -- you use a pin or needle in that hole to retain the coil spring inside the lever if you have to take the safety off. If that spring goes walkabout, you won't find a replacement. Mine didn't have the half-cock safety notch on the hammer, which was a later upgrade. The hammers are wider on the oldest ones, and you can't use a current Kadet Kit on them -- as the hammer won't fit in the notch at the rear of the Kadet Kit slide. Some folks suffer hammer bite from the older models. Sears are different, too. Sights are hard to find if you don't keep them original, many of the newer mags won't work in the older guns, but the guns can be modified to use them, and CZ-USA sells pre-B mags. There are other minor issues, etc, etc.)
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Seems easy enough to tell the difference.
I'm not entirely sure yet, but thinking I will sell it and buy something a bit more modern. In particular after the feedback regarding hard to find parts etc. is the best place to sell it GB?
Any advice on good replacement?
I'm not entirely sure yet, but thinking I will sell it and buy something a bit more modern. In particular after the feedback regarding hard to find parts etc. is the best place to sell it GB?
Any advice on good replacement?
Jim Watson
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Well, you could get a CZ75B.
Otherwise, selling your FREE "pre-B" will leave you with money burning a hole in your pocket.
Do you have an idea what something "more modern" would be FOR?
Otherwise, selling your FREE "pre-B" will leave you with money burning a hole in your pocket.
Do you have an idea what something "more modern" would be FOR?
To be honest, my father in-law gave me the weapon. He told me I should sell it buy something new. That he would if he had time or needed another gun. So, thought I'd do the research and get ideas from others more knowledgable than me.
I don't have a specific purpose in mind. Shoot at the range, carry while hunting camping etc.
I don't have a specific purpose in mind. Shoot at the range, carry while hunting camping etc.
WVsig
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If it were me I would just run the gun you got... There is nothing wrong with it.
If you really want to sell it post it here in the classifieds for a reasonable price and see if someone wants it. PM me if you want some help on how to sell it.
You said you don't have much knowledge about handguns so if you want help picking a new one out we need a little more info.
Things like intended purpose.
Full sized, semi-compact compact size etc...
Caliber preference
Metal or polymer
Trigger type? DA/SA or DAO striker etc...
What size hands do you have?
These are just a few starting points.
If you really want to sell it post it here in the classifieds for a reasonable price and see if someone wants it. PM me if you want some help on how to sell it.
You said you don't have much knowledge about handguns so if you want help picking a new one out we need a little more info.
Things like intended purpose.
Full sized, semi-compact compact size etc...
Caliber preference
Metal or polymer
Trigger type? DA/SA or DAO striker etc...
What size hands do you have?
These are just a few starting points.
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Were did "blued" come from??
Isn't it poly coated like all other CZ pistols?
The CZ 75 is one of the best 9mm out of the box you can get. It's the most copied firearm in history. If you want to shoot you have a great gun to do it with!
The barrel and lock up is very similar to the Browning High Power as are the low bore axis.
Isn't it poly coated like all other CZ pistols?
The CZ 75 is one of the best 9mm out of the box you can get. It's the most copied firearm in history. If you want to shoot you have a great gun to do it with!
The barrel and lock up is very similar to the Browning High Power as are the low bore axis.
il.bill
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I myself would simply keep it and shoot it. I do not own a CZ75, but I certainly hope to some day if I can find one that fits my budget - it is near the very top of my short list.
However, two things might convince me to sell it.
1) if I could get more for it from a collector looking for an unfired CZ75 pre-B than what a new CZ75B sells for today I would do it. That would probably take some time to find the right buyer, but any difference in price could go towards purchasing ammunition for your new pistol. If you choose to go this route, do NOT take the pistol out to try it - the unfired condition adds significantly to its value, even though it is technically a 'used' firearm.
2) it is my understanding that the CZ75B designation indicates the addition of a firing pin block. The pre-B CZ75 may not then be as 'drop safe' as a newer design pistol, and that would be a consideration for me, especially if "I really don't know much about guns at all, in particular handguns."
Whether you keep the CZ75 or sell it, it seems to me that your father-in-law appears to be a 'keeper'. Be nice to his daughter!
However, two things might convince me to sell it.
1) if I could get more for it from a collector looking for an unfired CZ75 pre-B than what a new CZ75B sells for today I would do it. That would probably take some time to find the right buyer, but any difference in price could go towards purchasing ammunition for your new pistol. If you choose to go this route, do NOT take the pistol out to try it - the unfired condition adds significantly to its value, even though it is technically a 'used' firearm.
2) it is my understanding that the CZ75B designation indicates the addition of a firing pin block. The pre-B CZ75 may not then be as 'drop safe' as a newer design pistol, and that would be a consideration for me, especially if "I really don't know much about guns at all, in particular handguns."
Whether you keep the CZ75 or sell it, it seems to me that your father-in-law appears to be a 'keeper'. Be nice to his daughter!
Walt Sherrill
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First of all, not all CZs were or are polycoated. Most of the early CZ-75 got an enamel finish that chipped very easily. Some were blued. Polycoating came with the last of the pre-B models, and even then the formula changed over time. The earliest 75Bs were polycoated, but many many gun solvents would play hell with that finish. That is no longer the case -- polycoat is now one of more durable finishes, and it has a maganese phosphate undercoat. Like any finish it will scratch (or chip) but you can touch it up with matte black auto-body paint. You'll not have similar success if you scratch or mar a Glock or Sig finish.
For the OP -- if the finish is dark blue and glossy, and seems to have some depth, it's probably blued. If the finish is dark blue or black and little real gloss, its probably enamel. If its dark black, not glossy, and looks a bit thicker than you'd expect, it may be polycoated -- but it won't be the current polycoat formula. A gun shop or a friend who knows more about guns can probably answer that question for you.
To the poster above, it may or may not be the most copied -- you'd be hard pressed to either prove or disprove that claim. It was copied and in a few cases, cloned, but there are an awful lot of 1911s floating around, and Makarovs, and Tokarevs, and AK-47s, and S&W revolvers in many different forms. But you're right to suggest that they are popular. Many of the CZ copies are loose "copies" not clones -- most parts generally aren't interchangeable.
A 1911 is still a 1911, AR is a AR Look at these Turkish chunks of metal Canik or what ever yet another CZ clone. You can also dispute the most issued pistol for Military and Police (CZ claims) Folks in the USA do not realize how big the rest of the World is. But this is another topic well beaten into the dirt.
I have many CZ's the old 82 and 83 are a paint finish not blued Which is what I am referring to. Poly, enamel whatever, not traditional blued. I can not tell from the OP's picture.
Scroll down to the bottom. I also have Sphinx (made in Switzerland) which is a top of the line "clone"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CZ_75
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=648385
But this is another topic well beaten into the dirt.I have many CZ's the old 82 and 83 are a paint finish not blued Which is what I am referring to. Poly, enamel whatever, not traditional blued. I can not tell from the OP's picture.
Scroll down to the bottom. I also have Sphinx (made in Switzerland) which is a top of the line "clone"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CZ_75
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=648385
Walt Sherrill
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Rule3 said:
Folks in the USA also do not realize that marketing hype is just hype -- or that they're reading more into CZ's advertizing than is actually there...
CZ claims the that their weapons are the most widely-used, not the most-issued. CZ has certainly sold a lot of CZs to many different police departments in Africa, the Middle East, spots in Europe, and elsehwere in the world; they can probably justify the claim of "most widely used." But, they haven't sold many CZ semi-auto handguns to national military organizations. Beretta has probably sold more M9s to the U.S government than CZ has sold to all the militaries and police departments in the world. Throw in all of the CZ copies and clones, and I doubt you will unseat Beretta from the top of the "most-issued" list.
As best I can tell, Beretta's total sales to the U.S. government is right at 1 million units, counting the initial order of around 400,000 in 1985, 450,000 in 2009, and 100,000 more ordered this year.. (It's hard to find details.) The civilian version of the M9 was also widely used by police departments in the U.S. for a number of years, and they're still a popular civilian weapon here. Beretta has been successful elsewhere, too -- starting with Brazil where they built guns for the Brazilian military and later sold the factory and rights to make that specific weapon to Taurus! Several NATO countries also used the M9 over the past couple of decades.
While the CZ may be the most COPIED design, it's clearly not the most widely used design, even when all of the rip-off copies are thrown into the totals! The Warsaw Pact never used the CZ-75 and also never used the 9x19 round; had it been used there, that would have evened things out a bit. The few places where the CZ-75/75B has had military use are relatively small. Israel bought rights to the Tanfoglio version and then made their own; after buying some true CZs, Turkey did the same. You have to keep in mind, however, that most military organizations don't issue handguns widely; they end up being issued to pilots, armored crews, military police, and officers. Police departments use more, but they tend have far fewer members.
I'm a big CZ fan and was a long-time moderator on the original CZ forum. In the late 90s and early 2000s a bunch of us there spent a lot of time and effort trying to track down details that substantiated what we thought were the CZ marketing claims. We never did -- but we also come to understand that we had misinterpreted those claims.
It now looks as though CZ is starting to make headway with military users, but it's mostly thanks to the new P-07/P-09 design. The fact that CZ survived the the fall of the Soviet Union and successfully adapted to capitalist practices is a major achievement! That they survived tells you a lot about the organization and the true worth of their products.
Wikipedia has a pretty good list of CZ military and police users, but shows only 18 organizations. If you investigate, you'll see that NONE of those organizations have a large number of members. There are probably many other small departments using CZs, but the total number of weapons used is certainly modest. Here's a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CZ_75 Scroll to the bottom. You'll also see who makes or made a bunch of the copies
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They are DEFINITELY worth a good deal more than a new production CZ 75B. I could see a package like that going for $800-1000 on Gunbroker. I've seen used pre-B models sell for $700+
The only thing holding it back is that its not early enough to have the original "waffle" grips. Here's my 1985 model.
The models that really bring the bucks are the early short frame 75s. I saw a like new example fetch over $2000 on GB not long ago.
atblis
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Cz blueing is gorgeous. On par with Colt imo. They've also done it on later guns. I have a 40 sw 75b that's blued. It is a fragile finish though.
Walt Sherrill
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Viking499 said:
I had a falling out with one of the folks running the forum at that time, and rather than fight about it, I just got out of Dodge. You'll still see some of my posts in the FAQ area. The folks running the forum now seem like a good crew.
At that same time I also was nearing retirement, and decided to go back to school (while working) to get a graduate degree, with the idea of teaching when I retired. So for a couple of years, I was pretty BUSY. I graduated and retired at about the same time that teachers started getting laid off, etc. [early 2009]and I just didn't think I needed one of those jobs as badly as they did. (I have taught classes at a nearby Technical College, which I enjoyed, but I don't know if I could put up public school politics. So I got lazy.) I have enjoyed being lazy... but still participate on other forums.
CZ are great guns, but I like other guns, too. (I'm infatuated now with a new Kel-Tec PMR-30. Amazing gun -- and the new Hornady Critical Defense TFX .22 WMR ammo seems to perform unusually well -- being designed for pistols rather than rifle use. It's like shooting a LASER!)
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As usual Walt has proven to be our resident sage on CZ's. Thank you Walt, We/I appreciate it.
I am a CZ affectionado and have learned so much from you over the years.
You well written posts and gentlemanly manner exemplifies the values of The high Road.
I am a CZ affectionado and have learned so much from you over the years.
You well written posts and gentlemanly manner exemplifies the values of The high Road.
Walt Sherrill
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I spent 40 years in banking/finance, so much of it was work-related Tech-school courses for bank employees, through related American Institute of Banking programs -- financial planning and basic office-related computer applications, like spreadsheets, word processing, Access, etc. I even taught some Microsoft DOS courses, way back when that mattered. (Dos now means "two" for most folks.) My academic focus was poli-science, history and literature -- go figure. (Never got to do the stuff I really liked.)
I did have to try to teach some people in the RN (registered nurse) program how to use DOS, and that was an experience -- for them and me. I can't think of any course less meaningful or job-related for a nursing student than the basics of the Microsoft Disk Operating System... Maybe Esperanto? Latin would have made more sense, but I couldn't teach that.
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