I've recently gotten into shooting. I have two pistols at the moment, a Ruger 22/45 and a Kimber Custom II. I'm considering getting a 9mm for my girlfriend, I think she should have her own gun. She's a typical Asian female, 5'4" with small hands so I need to make sure that I get her a gun that fits her. The two I'm considering are CZ P01 and the G19. She likes futuristic looking guns, and while I don't much care for them, this will be her gun so her preferences win out. Which of these two do you recommend and why?
CZ P01 vs. Glock 19
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GunNut
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Take her to a gun store that has both and let her test them out, better yet if you can find a range/friend with both let her shoot them.
My wife has settled on a Glock 26 as the perfect sized gun for her little girlie hands, and likes my glock 19 too.
Good luck and get her what she wants, it will keep her interested.
Steve
My wife has settled on a Glock 26 as the perfect sized gun for her little girlie hands, and likes my glock 19 too.
Good luck and get her what she wants, it will keep her interested.
Steve
Autolycus
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Exacly what GunNut said. Don't choose her gun for her. Let her choose the gun that she wants. It will let her be more comfortable carrying it.
THink of it like this... would you like to let her choose your carry gun?
THink of it like this... would you like to let her choose your carry gun?
Golddog
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Both are quality guns. I don't own Glocks and I'm a CZ nut, but my reading leads me to believe that the Glock 19 may be the most reliable compact semi-auto made anywhere. It has awkward ergonomics for many people - certainly inferior to the CZ - but it's lighter than most guns of its size.
If you were comparing the Glock to a CZ with cocked and locked capability, I'd put the CZ trigger way ahead. But if you're going with a decock CZ, the Glock's pull will be much better for the first shot.
The Glock is the simplest gun in the world to shoot for novices and non-dedicated persons: point and pull. Safeties and decockers can be dangerous mysteries to those who don't shoot much.
If you want a Glock-type gun with better ergonomics, look at an S&W M&P Compact.
Can she quickly retract a semi-auto slide? Many women cannot.
If you were comparing the Glock to a CZ with cocked and locked capability, I'd put the CZ trigger way ahead. But if you're going with a decock CZ, the Glock's pull will be much better for the first shot.
The Glock is the simplest gun in the world to shoot for novices and non-dedicated persons: point and pull. Safeties and decockers can be dangerous mysteries to those who don't shoot much.
If you want a Glock-type gun with better ergonomics, look at an S&W M&P Compact.
Can she quickly retract a semi-auto slide? Many women cannot.
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Ether, whichever she wants.
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I'm a Glock fan and have both the 19 & 26 and find them easy to shoot. Let her shoot them both and get her the one she feels most cumfortable with.
10-Ring
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I say go to the person that picked your guns 
of let her pick her own!
of let her pick her own! GaryArkansas
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I don't think either one is appropriate. The Glock grip circumference is probably a bit too large, and the strength required to rack a P-01 slide may deter her.
I'd suggest something like a S&W airweight revolver in 38 special, or perhaps a .380ACP, maybe the Bersa Thunder or the Sig 239.
I'd suggest something like a S&W airweight revolver in 38 special, or perhaps a .380ACP, maybe the Bersa Thunder or the Sig 239.
ikelo
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I agree with Gary.
I have a P-01 and my girlfriend can barely rack the slide on her own. She gets scared trying to do it because it takes so much grip/strength. I think it's a bad choice for a novice.
I have had a glock 23 in the past. I think it would be a better choice, but again, I agree with Gary that the grip may be too large for her.
I have a P-01 and my girlfriend can barely rack the slide on her own. She gets scared trying to do it because it takes so much grip/strength. I think it's a bad choice for a novice.
I have had a glock 23 in the past. I think it would be a better choice, but again, I agree with Gary that the grip may be too large for her.
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I have to say that it does not take a ton of strength to rack the slide on a Glock 19 or CZ, it's more technique than brute strength.
Since teaching my petite wife the push/pull method of slide racking, she has never had a problem. If you have her hold the gun in one hand and pull back the slide she will have problems.
Just my $.02,
Steve
Since teaching my petite wife the push/pull method of slide racking, she has never had a problem. If you have her hold the gun in one hand and pull back the slide she will have problems.
Just my $.02,
Steve
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Used to own a Glock 19 and dumped it for an HK USP Compact. Then the Cz-PO1 came along. Shot it and loved it. The HK is gone, the Cz-PO1 sleeps with me. The usual things we look for in a good gun are there, reliable, accurate and durable. The ergonomic is also topnotch. The weight and feel is akin to a Glock but is made up of steel. Let your girlfriend try and decide. I'll bet the Cz will win.
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Steel? Doesn't the CZ have an alloy frame?
i have a p01 compact.. it was my first gun... 5 people have shot my gun and each said it molds to their hand... one was a girl.. ive shot over two thousand rounds with 2 jams. and those two jams were most likely due to a newbie loading the ammo in the magazine or maybe dirt... its a smokin gun.. i love it.. i love the weight too.. not too light and not tooo heavy... ive never shot a glock so i wouldnt know...
I have both, and I love both. For your girlfriend, I'd say the CZ is prolly better simply because of its ergos and the availability of the Kadet Kit (which you MUST buy if she's to shoot it a lot). CZ triggers are usually pretty crappy out of the box, and smiths familiar with CZ triggers are not too common where I live (I had to send my P-01 to Mike Eagleshield). Glocks don't have the greatest triggers, either, but you can buy a CRAPLOAD of aftermarket parts for it, including a drop-in trigger job. Hmm, you could get an Advantage Arms kit for the Glock....
You know what? Get the Glock. Or the CZ.
You know what? Get the Glock. Or the CZ.
I have owned a Glock 19 and just bought a P-01 six months ago. IMO there is no comparison. The CZ wins hands down. The P-01 is now in my wife's hands and she won't give it up. In fact, she traded off her Sig P239 because she didn't hardly ever shoot it after buying the P-01. Now, she won't let me get my hands on it.......darn!
The glock 19 that I owned I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it. It just never did the trick for me. I think Glocks are of exceptional quality, but the CZ just fit better for us.
Since we bought the P-01, we have bought two more CZ's. A P-06 is on our wish list. The only CZ we wouldn't buy is the CZ97B due to reports of not feeding JHP's. CZ quality can't be beat.
The glock 19 that I owned I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it. It just never did the trick for me. I think Glocks are of exceptional quality, but the CZ just fit better for us.
Since we bought the P-01, we have bought two more CZ's. A P-06 is on our wish list. The only CZ we wouldn't buy is the CZ97B due to reports of not feeding JHP's. CZ quality can't be beat.
Logos
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CZ does indeed have great ergonomics.
Glock, however, has acceptable ergonomics and has shown far superior reliability in the past.
If CZ has conquered their reliability problems it would be a great gun.
Have they? I don't know. It seems that the people who love CZs are the people who DON'T go to the range once a week and shoot enough to actually experience the jamming that has been a problem.
And yes, a small revolver is probably a FAR better choice in the situation posed here.
Glock, however, has acceptable ergonomics and has shown far superior reliability in the past.
If CZ has conquered their reliability problems it would be a great gun.
Have they? I don't know. It seems that the people who love CZs are the people who DON'T go to the range once a week and shoot enough to actually experience the jamming that has been a problem.
And yes, a small revolver is probably a FAR better choice in the situation posed here.
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I shoot the G19 professionally, and have scored Distiguished Expert with it. I carry a CZ PO1 off duty, and would not own a Glock. Contrary to many expressed opinions, I have witnessed Glocks fail many times, and break. I have had them fail on me during qualification, as well. My CZ has had a few FTF with my own, over-long first generation handloads, never factory ammo, and has not failed me. And I may not shoot once a week, but usually twice a month or so, Logos.
The Glock "Safe Action" trigger is anything but - a light trigger pull from the untrained or partially trained finger wandering unaware inside the trigger guard causes a "boom" sound...kind of like that DEA agent found out in that famous movie clip. The New York and New York + trigger enhancements can stiffen the Glock trigger to help avoid that, but make every shot stiffer.
The long DA pull of a revolver, or first shot of a DA/SA pistol is what many people used to demonstrate safety, needing the deliberate double action pull to fire. Some Depts and private security agencies issue DA only sidearms for liability purposes, to avoid negligent discharge lawsuits from light SA pulls. Does it happen? Yes, not to the extent the boogymen make it out to be. In the end, I believe the Glock to be, (wait, Glockophiles, it ain't as bad as you think), to be an experts only sidearm, those who wish to spend thousands of rounds absolutely mastering the trigger usage. It is a well made, reliable product, with all the ergonomics of a poorly cast brick.
I do NOT reccomend any small, light wheel gun, as with decent defensive ammo, the recoil may scare or intimidate ANY novice shooter. Someone who is afraid of thier sidearm will not shoot it, and then will never become proficient with it. Let her try several firearms at a rental range, and see what fits her. I went through many sidearms for my wife before she decided she liked mine. Now she carries a CZ2075 RAMI, and loves it.
first generation handloads, never factory ammo, and has not failed me. And I may not shoot once a week, but usually twice a month or so, Logos. The Glock "Safe Action" trigger is anything but - a light trigger pull from the untrained or partially trained finger wandering unaware inside the trigger guard causes a "boom" sound...kind of like that DEA agent found out in that famous movie clip. The New York and New York + trigger enhancements can stiffen the Glock trigger to help avoid that, but make every shot stiffer.
The long DA pull of a revolver, or first shot of a DA/SA pistol is what many people used to demonstrate safety, needing the deliberate double action pull to fire. Some Depts and private security agencies issue DA only sidearms for liability purposes, to avoid negligent discharge lawsuits from light SA pulls. Does it happen? Yes, not to the extent the boogymen make it out to be. In the end, I believe the Glock to be, (wait, Glockophiles, it ain't as bad as you think), to be an experts only sidearm, those who wish to spend thousands of rounds absolutely mastering the trigger usage. It is a well made, reliable product, with all the ergonomics of a poorly cast brick.
I do NOT reccomend any small, light wheel gun, as with decent defensive ammo, the recoil may scare or intimidate ANY novice shooter. Someone who is afraid of thier sidearm will not shoot it, and then will never become proficient with it. Let her try several firearms at a rental range, and see what fits her. I went through many sidearms for my wife before she decided she liked mine. Now she carries a CZ2075 RAMI, and loves it.
Huh? Can you please provide something to substantiate this claim?
I have three CZ's and three Glocks. Both platforms have performed flawlessly, and I shoot over 300 rounds per week. My CZ-75b's seen thousands of rounds (as has my friend Beetle Bailey's CZ), and neither have problems of any kind. (Well, we did install lighter mainsprings, but after getting light strikes with the Kadet kits, we re-installed the originals and haven't had problems since.)
I really think it boils down to which gun fits better, as both platforms are excellent. I'd give the nod to the CZ for accuracy and ergos (from personal experience), and I'd give the nod to Glock for ruggedness and simplicity (personal experience and track record).
My CZ P01 = 2500 rounds of 9mm + dropped in a puddle + dropped in the dirt + 100 rounds of intentional limpwristing (firing with only trigger finger and thumb in contact with the gun, no cleaning, no lubrication... no failures. The insides of the gun are solid black, the feed ramp is caked with gunk, and it keeps on ticking.
What is this "reliability" problem? Did I just get a good one?
The insides of the gun are solid black, the feed ramp is caked with gunk, and it keeps on ticking.What is this "reliability" problem? Did I just get a good one?
have her look at glock, cz, sig, beretta, S&W and whatever else she find interesting until she finds a gun that fits HER.
Take everything else with a grain of salt.
all of the major brands tend to be very reliabe if the owner cleans them regularly.
Take everything else with a grain of salt.
all of the major brands tend to be very reliabe if the owner cleans them regularly.
Logos
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But "very reliable" and "totally" reliable are two different things.
I wouldn't bet my life on a CZ.
And, again.....one of the smaller revolvers (say a three-inch K-frame in .38) is usually best in situations like this, but if she likes futuristic designs it may mean she hates revolvers.
You might have her look at some of the S&W "LadySmith" models. Some are very pretty. Who knows, she might like'em.
I wouldn't bet my life on a CZ.
And, again.....one of the smaller revolvers (say a three-inch K-frame in .38) is usually best in situations like this, but if she likes futuristic designs it may mean she hates revolvers.
You might have her look at some of the S&W "LadySmith" models. Some are very pretty. Who knows, she might like'em.
TOADMAN
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Glock 19 all day everyday... Both are great pistols.. I like the G19 mainly because of the lighter weight for all day everyday conceal carry..The Glock 26 is even better..
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