CZ VZOR 70

[Sgt. Stiglitz]

Picked up one of these off GB a few weeks ago, a 1978 one. Liked it so much got another one yesterday a 81! Little CZ VZOR 70 .32 is fun to shoot. Gotta load it over US max though. European's call .32 ACP Browning 7.65 and load it hotter, 23000 CUP vs 20000 and heavier bullets. They even used it as a Machine pistol round. I mean who needs a big gun against an unarmed populace. Runs great at high 900-1100 fps. No Signs of pressure primers are fine. European loads are loaded with 308 bullets instead of .312 like we do. Gun is built like a tank. Trying to shove .312 bullets in Euro cases is a no go! Cases will bulge to point of not clambering. Some US Cases will take .312 bullets. So what I do is resize my bullets .309. I got a .308 die on order. Bullets sized to .309 sometimes wont go in Euro cases still.
Norma factory stuff has .3065 73 gr bullets and runs around 900-1100fps. Have shot 71, 60 and 85 gr bullets. 85's seem to be the best and shoot to point of aim. Rear sight seems frozen in place after 44 years haven't been able to move it. 71's shoot a little to the right. Both of these appear to not have been used much at all. The 81 looks practically brand new! Just a pair of neat little Police/Military Com Block Pistols!

 

[Ignition Override]

Sgt. Stiglitz: Very cool guns, although the DA trigger pulls might take getting used to with stock springs?

Really interesting handguns you have.

You might be well aware that nowadays in the Czech Republic, law-abiding citizens can get licenses for semi-auto rifles such as AKMs, VZ-58s , ARs, also in several other European countries, ie Germany, Slovenia etc.

And large numbers of regular Czech citizens have also acquired Concealed Carry Permits, probably carrying a serious quantity of CZ-50s and 70s.

A member of THR is an attorney in the Czech Republic.

 

[starling]

Good little solid pistol.I have only ever run ball ammo through mine but never had any failures.

Forget about that though. My Eyes are on that Walther Ultra! HaHa

Never seen clear grips on a Sterling either. Thats a new one for me.

 

[Monac]

Good little solid pistol.I have only ever run ball ammo through mine but never had any failures.

Forget about that though. My Eyes are on that Walther Ultra! HaHa

Never seen clear grips on a Sterling either. Thats a new one for me.

I think the Walther is called a PP Super. It is chambered in a cartridge that is called both 9mm Police and 9mm Ultra, so you're not wrong, but if somebody looks for one, they're going to have more luck searching for "PP Super". The only reason I know is because I keep thinking of getting one and then not doing it. Very handsome guns, but that CZ 82 would make a lot more sense. And that FN 1903 is the choice of the true connoisseur; so many countries should have adopted that instead of the junk they actually used, like the various Nambus or the Glisenti/Brixia.

PS - I've never seen Sterling grips like that either. I wonder who made them?

 

[starling]

Right on the Walther. Pretty sure Fiochi is still making the ammo in runs now and then but not an easy cartridge to come by. They are more of a collectors piece of course. I just dont see them much anymore so it caught my eye. CZ82s are excellent pistols of course. Pretty common these days since the surplus started rolling in.

Sterling grips probably an ebay seller or similar. Some pretty good grip makers out there these days for oddball pistols. Never seen factory ones like that. Whomever made them looks to have done a nice job.

I put the CZ50 bakelight grips on my CZ70. The 70 grips look better IMO but the more rounded 50 grips fit me better in terms of ergos. I wont use the decocker on any of those old CZs. Double action pull is a monster but the SA is pretty nice. Very solid little blowbacks. Heavy but well built (overbuilt really) for 32acp. I think they shoot about as soft as a 25acp pocket auto. There were some custom barreled 32NAA CZ70s on Gunbroker not too long ago. I almost went for one but the ammo situation for those was lousy at the time. Those 70s can probably handle some pretty hot loads in 32acp... they may of stood up to handle 380acp (never made as far as I know). The 70s use pretty good steel.

 

[trackskippy]

I put the 50 grips on mine too, they do have a better feel. As has been mentioned, the DA trigger is a bear. Mine was a "two finger" affair.

They have a small piece that bears on the mag and keeps it from dropping free, but once removed, they will. I found that out messing with the mainspring trying to do something about the DA trigger. It still sucked too. SA triggers are nice.

How does the gun function? When I got mine (late 90's), there was a lot of stuff flying around about problems with them and trying to get them to feed properly. Seemd to be a very common issue. After a lot of fiddling around and aggravation, mine turned out to be the mag springs. Even the couple of supposedly "new" spares I got from another source had the same exact problem. Before changing the mags, the gun would only function with 3 or four rounds in the mag. Once I changed them, it ran fine with all of them fully loaded.

Once I got the mag thing worked out, it functioned fine with any 32acp I put in it.

 

[film495]

I have one and like it. When I cleaned out the channel for the firing pin - I found a big old piece of a patch someone left in there.

 

[jar]

The only issue I've found with my CZ 50 has been the occasional hammer bite if I slip my hand too high. The 70 grips might help prevent that. Mine is from 1968 and has the 70 hammer and checkered slide sight line. I have never found the DA trigger pull very difficult but then I pretty much only shot revolvers until not very long before this 50 was made.

 

[trackskippy]

I shoot pretty much anything I have thats DA, DAO, and my CZ70 was brutal. "Two finger pull" was a literal description.

I got an extra mainspring and fooled with clipping it, trying to get something reasonable out of it, but didnt have any luck. I did find that little metal clip that was acting to retard the mag falling out, so that was a plus.

 

[film495]

the double action pull on mine also is terrible, but I find that to be part of the charm.

 

[starling]

That heavy mainspring lets them get away with a fairly weak recoil spring. Its a big reason they shoot so soft. Wouldnt mind if it was a little smoother though. Mine was in nice really shape so I left it alone. One of these days if I find a rough one I will slick it up. Prices kinda got a little high though. Must have been the CZ effect. Once that brand got a following here in the US people started collecting them.

 

[Sgt. Stiglitz]

Good little solid pistol.I have only ever run ball ammo through mine but never had any failures.

Forget about that though. My Eyes are on that Walther Ultra! HaHa

Never seen clear grips on a Sterling either. That's a new one for me.

Had him made custom from Tillander Grips. He made me an extra set for my Walther PP Super too cause they don't exist. Just sent him mine and me copied them.






My 9 Ultra/Police made from cut down 9mm cases. .38 Super Comp work great too as well as 9 Mak fired with 9mm 355 bullets in them!




Tillander made me a set with out the stupid thumb rest for my Model 80 Beradelli. Model 60 grips are the same as 80's without the thumb rest.

 

[Sgt. Stiglitz]

I think the Walther is called a PP Super. It is chambered in a cartridge that is called both 9mm Police and 9mm Ultra, so you're not wrong, but if somebody looks for one, they're going to have more luck searching for "PP Super". The only reason I know is because I keep thinking of getting one and then not doing it. Very handsome guns, but that CZ 82 would make a lot more sense. And that FN 1903 is the choice of the true connoisseur; so many countries should have adopted that instead of the junk they actually used, like the various Nambus or the Glisenti/Brixia.

PS - I've never seen Sterling grips like that either. I wonder who made them?

That's my CZ-83 in .380 and that is a FN 1903/Husqvarna 1907 in 9 Browning Long or .380 I have both barrels. Yea that is what I paid for it! Guy at the gun show said it misfires sometimes. For 95 bucks I'll take a chance. Nothing other than a dirty firing pin channel! This is my .380 1908.

 

[Ignition Override]

If not for the price of .32 acp ammo the last several years, even by 2017- 2018, I would have bought a CZ-70.

I lost interest in reloading several years ago.

The recent jump in 9mm Makarov Ammo prices kept me from buying a very attractive CZ-82 on GB.
It was Buy Now at an ok price a few weeks ago.

My only CZ is the PCR, but due to superior Czech engineering, also have a CSA VZ-58 rifle.

 

[Sgt. Stiglitz]

I bought 4 boxes, 200 rounds of Norma 7.65 Browning just to have and have a base line to go on for my .32 reloads. I think I paid about 19 bucks a box. I really like the .32 85Gr FMJ's. sized to .309 They shoot great. I do think that the tightness/grip on the bullets, of some of the European cases cause the fluctuations in velocity. Even the NORMA Factory had a big standard deviation and spread. I have put almost 750 rounds through the 78 CZ-70 to date. The first ones I reloaded were a bit on the light side. I have even hit my steel plate set up at 100 yrds with it! Not every time but several out of a magazine!