Desert Tactical SRS .338 Lapua

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Maverick,

i had less to choose from when i got a 338L...many new platforms available now.

less than zero experience with the OT "SRS", had to hunt it up on the net. you say you have little experience with the kind of shooting you plan to use it for, this raises many questions:

the 300WM still has 44 mag energy @ 1,000 yards. this isn't enough?

when the target is that far away, bolt cycling time is likely non-issue. but have you tried working the action on this system? looks awkward even if it was a 20 degree throw bolt...what if you NEED to cycle it fast?

the quality 308 match loads are very good to about 600yds in real world scenarios, in 22" or 30" bbls. (yes, i know they have performed admirably much further out, but only for those intimately familiar with the round) have you explored all of capabilities of your 270WSM?

did you check into the above advice from zak about ballistic coeffecient? where it goes subsonic is pretty much how far it will be accurate/effective, this regardless of remaining energy. with only 38 special remaining energy, a well placed hit will wreck your whole day. (38 snubbies are used to save life and limb every day of the week. the well placed shots terminate the threat rather than just stopping it.)

originally i was leaning toward the AI offering, (as stated above less to choose from then) but i chose the AR-30 because it was sightly more accurate in a side by side comparison with the accuracy international shooting black hills 300 grain SMK ammo in "special weapons for military and law enforcement" magazine. get range reports with this bullet and pick based on that to take advantage of the best long range loading for this caliber.

i chose the nightforce 5.5x22 because dialed in for 200yds, the "NPR2" reticle is good past 1,000 yards (300gr SMK) on a 15 minute base, ~with no cranking on the knobs~. i see the notion of 3-400 yard zeros as making the iron clumsy and slow should close work become needed. when time is NOT available.

despite the calibers usefullness beyond that range, it starts getting into the gray zone as to above mentioned "real world" uses. very few small arms systems/users are a threat at over a half mile distance.

for that matter, how many venues do you have access to beyond that for practice? better still, how many 1,000 yard ranges do you have access to? using the 44 mag analogy again, the 300 grain still has 44 mag energy @1,600. is the answer to these questions a reliable bullet stopper, or remote enough to allow for saftey beyond the target?

if all of the above seem like i'm trying to talk you out of getting this, please note that i bought one anyway. just variables to consider.

gunnie
 
If the 243 has a fast twist, 243 with the 115's is a very good long-range target cartridge.

Otherwise, get it in .308 and then buy a .260 barrel later.

If you get the 300, a change to 7mm RM works easily and provides better ballistics.
 
when the target is that far away, bolt cycling time is likely non-issue. but have you tried working the action on this system? looks awkward even if it was a 20 degree throw bolt...what if you NEED to cycle it fast?
I have other "closer quarters" weapons that I can fall back on for that, although I don't see the need (and hope I never have the need for it). I simply want an accurate platform to perform at a range of 1000M+. I have a very good place to shoot at long ranges (can easily obtain 1000M, and very possibly 2000M). Why not utilize this potential? I simply want a good SWS to achieve that end. The SRS is very appealing to me as I feel (unlike many) very comfortable with a bullpup in my hands. I feel that the design is well thought out as it provides a very accurate, easily maintained system that will allow me to change the caliber at will. The .300WM appeals to me due to its decent ballistics and relative cheap ammo prices (easily afford to shoot).
Here is a review over at Sniper's Hide.
Been there...read that...:neener:
If the 243 has a fast twist, 243 with the 115's is a very good long-range target cartridge.

Otherwise, get it in .308 and then buy a .260 barrel later.

If you get the 300, a change to 7mm RM works easily and provides better ballistics.
Haven't ruled anything out yet (caliber wise). The .243 is nice and has alot of potential down range, but will it handle (at supersonic speeds) 1000M or greater? Also the downfall of the cartridge is its energy at longer ranges (e.g. how can I justify it?). As far as a barrel liner (as far as I know the only way to go down to 7mm without a custom bbl anyway), what type of accuracy can be expected, and for how much?

I appreciate the replies guys...:D
 
As far as a barrel liner (as far as I know the only way to go down to 7mm without a custom bbl anyway), what type of accuracy can be expected, and for how much?
I don't think Zak was meaning a barrel liner, but a "custom" barrel.

As for .243, with the 115gr DTAC bullets Zak mentions, it equals the .300wm or so i have heard. It was a joy to shoot one when i did.
 
Lest something else better comes along, it's looking like a SRS in 300WM with a IOR scope, and very possibly a .338LM in the not-so-distant future.
 
. The .243 is nice and has alot of potential down range, but will it handle (at supersonic speeds) 1000M or greater? Also the downfall of the cartridge is its energy at longer ranges (e.g. how can I justify it?). As far as a barrel liner (as far as I know the only way to go down to 7mm without a custom bbl anyway), what type of accuracy can be expected, and for how much?
Don't know where you got the idea of a barrel liner from my posts. I am talking about rebarreling to a new caliber.

In the .243, you shoot high-BC (starting at approx 0.60) bullets. Hard to argue with 0.60 BC @ 3000 + fps. For target shooting, it has impressive ballistics and will stay well supersonic longer than .260.

Downside of .243 is much more limited high-BC bullet selection (than .260), shorter barrel life, and less terminal ballistics and/or "hit indication" on steel.
 
I would reiterate my original advice:
Do you already have a proper long-range rifle? If not, I strongly, strongly recommend getting something in a cheaper, more manageable, easier-to-learn-on caliber than .338LM (or any "magnum" caliber).
 
Don't know where you got the idea of a barrel liner from my posts. I am talking about rebarreling to a new caliber.
I'm cheap :neener:

The .243 is nice, a wee bullet, with limited bullet selection (compared to the .300WM) and ammo is about the same as the magnum (without getting to say "?it's a magnum" :D ). Thanks Zak.
 
I would reiterate my original advice:
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Do you already have a proper long-range rifle? If not, I strongly, strongly recommend getting something in a cheaper, more manageable, easier-to-learn-on caliber than .338LM (or any "magnum" caliber).
But, I have a "magnum" and Beyonce wants to "upgrade me"...:D
 
Oh, man, that is bad. Any of her videos are pretty bad....bbut really, a .308 based cartridge will be cheaper, easier on the shoulder, and lighter. Did i mention cheaper?
 
Oh, man, that is bad. Any of her videos are pretty bad....bbut really, a .308 based cartridge will be cheaper, easier on the shoulder, and lighter.
The 300 is nearly as cheap, and much flatter. In all honesty the .243 looks better than the .308. Hate to be a non-conformist, but never really saw the .308 as a long range caliber due to the effects of wind and that gravity thing. :D
 
My original thoughts was to go with the .338LM and then downsize to the .243 (was afraid the less-popular .338 may be dropped by DT). The .243 si a very practical round, especially in my neck of the woods.
 
In all honesty the .243 looks better than the .308. Hate to be a non-conformist, but never really saw the .308 as a long range caliber due to the effects of wind and that gravity thing.
I agree totally. Hate me if you must, but i am not a big fan of the .30-06 either.!:eek::D
 
I agree totally. Hate me if you must, but i am not a big fan of the .30-06 either.!
Wow there is two of us, group hug, LOL. :neener:

Not good when you receive a forum msg that states there is a 60sec wait before additional posts (just got it :banghead:)
 
You certainly can have both:)



but you can also do one, without the other:)


If your focus is more for the skills than the toys, I'd suggest getting something simpler and dare I say cheaper, and spend the rest on ammunition and range time
 
The 300 is nearly as cheap, and much flatter. In all honesty the .243 looks better than the .308. Hate to be a non-conformist, but never really saw the .308 as a long range caliber due to the effects of wind and that gravity thing.

My original thoughts was to go with the .338LM and then downsize to the .243 (was afraid the less-popular .338 may be dropped by DT). The .243 si a very practical round, especially in my neck of the woods.
Few thoughts. First of all, barrels and consumable "wear" items, like brass. The action, stock, and optic are the constant base around which you finish the system with a barrel, brass, bullets, etc. If you are locked into getting barrels from only one vendor (you allude to them possibly dropping the .338LM), then aren't you going to be totally stuck with a useless rifle system if the company ever obsoletes the product, goes out of business, decides to drop your caliber, etc?

" In all honesty the ... Hate to be a non-conformist"

There should be no debate about the long-range performance of different loads, and there usually isn't. The numbers are the numbers, provided people are looking at the right bullets.

.308 is a decent and competent long-range caliber, with certain benefits over other cartridges, even those based on its case (like .243, .260, .260AI, 7-08, etc).

Anyway, also note that if you go with .243 you'll have to reload to get good LR performance. .260 has a couple factory ammo choices for LR ammo. .308 has several. .338LM is not practical to shoot factory ammo due to cost.
 
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