Do the latest brace regs change the choices you'd make?

[westernrover]

I made a recent acquisition where I chose a 16" barrel with a folding stock instead of a shorter barrel. I like triangle-stock AKs and Mini-14 folders.

I would have seriously considered 300 BLK, but for me, that cartridge is really justified by short barrels and that means braces or Form 1. The Sig Rattler caught my eye, but not as a hip gun.

I would have seriously considered 9mm or 45ACP, but not with a 16 inch barrel. I could have afforded a B&T or Kriss, but the brace regs saved me some money there.

Will we see a bullpup revival?

 

[jar]

Not in any way.

 

[Capybara]

Be glad you aren't FN who just introduced the SCAR pistol. That's a gun that simply begs for a brace although I guess you could SBR it if you're lucky enough to live in a state that allows SBRs?

 

[westernrover]

Not in any way.

So an APC9 is good as it ever was? Is that because you'd always have filed a Form 1? or because you never would have used the brace? or because you never would have used an APC9 at all?

 

[Jeff62]

Yes. I am slowly gathering stuff for a .300 blackout upper. I bought a 16” barrel, inclined toward a 12”, because I don’t want to deal with the wait.
I just got my 7.62 suppressor and I’m feeling aggravated by the process, however easy it may be.
I may change my mind later. So there’s that.

 

[Hunter 08]

If I'm getting a short barrel anything, I'll spend the money and time to just get it into an SBR. I don't have much of a need for one, I might eventually.

 

[tarosean]

I’ve removed my braces, tossed a pistol chassis and bought a bullpup. I don’t think I am leading edge though. Just trying to replicate the same OAL for a specific situation/purpose.

 

[Charlie98]

No changes here... but in the other direction. I always knew, eventually, the BATFE would rule on 'pistol' braces, and particularly within the current Administration... so I never took the bait. I've always considered pistol braces and such an end-run around the SBR law... and understand, I don't agree with the restrictions, but until they are not enforced, or repealed... whatever... I'm not going anywhere near them. All my AR's have at least a 16" barrel, not even a shorter barrel with a pinned muzzle device.

 

[Mycin]

No changes here... but in the other direction. I always knew, eventually, the BATFE would rule on 'pistol' braces, and particularly within the current Administration... so I never took the bait. I've always considered pistol braces and such an end-run around the SBR law... and understand, I don't agree with the restrictions, but until they are not enforced, or repealed... whatever... I'm not going anywhere near them. All my AR's have at least a 16" barrel, not even a shorter barrel with a pinned muzzle device.

Yep, I too always figured they're eventually clamp down on pistol braces. Ditto for bump stocks. NFA is stupid, but clever workarounds will only last until enough people are using them to get the attention of the statists in DC.

 

[hoardingthemanual]

Yeah. I think that’s the point of NFA, though. Another government success story. Blessed for their misdeeds.

 

[Hunter 08]

If the braces were only sold to people with the disabilities they were targeted for, this would be a non-issue.

 

[westernrover]

You really believed the braces were for disabled people? I wish you worked for the ATF.

 

[westernrover]

The way I understand it, SBR's and SBS's got into the NFA because originally, handguns were also to be regulated by it, and they needed to close the loopholes whereby people would effect handguns from rifles and shotguns. It proved to be necessary to remove handguns from the NFA before it could gain enough support to be passed, but it could pass with the regulation of SBR's and SBS's intact. I don't believe there was any rationale for regulating SBR's and SBS's without also regulating handguns. The NFA was gutted without handgun regulation, but instead of dying, it passed as a concession to politicians who needed to claim credit for doing something. Then the brace was conceived as a workaround for the regulation of SBR's and SBS's that actually has no rationale whatsoever. The brace was obviously a workaround, but now the bureaucrats have fabricated a rationale for why SBR's and SBS's need to be regulated -- increased "lethality" and "concealability." Without applying the same justification to handguns, that's just absurd. Until we have representatives that are willing to repeal the NFA, the foolishness will continue.

 

[BRatigan]

I have a Kalashnikov USA KS-12 KOMRAD. I wonder if I should sell it or keep it and register it. It is listed not as a shotgun or anything else but a Non NFA firearm. I'm pretty sure they will consider it to be included.

 

[Hunter 08]

You really believed the braces were for disabled people? I wish you worked for the ATF.

That's how they were originally advertised as.

 

[jmorris]

No but I have had SBR’s since before braces existed.

 

[mcb]

300 BO subsonic ammo from a 16 inch barrel is noticeable quieter than that same ammo from a short 9-inch or less barrel. The only snag being that some of the commercial subsonic ammo will be super sonic in a 16 inch barrel. That said if your a reloader than it's a non-issue.

I still think we have a 50/50 chance of this brace "ban" getting flipped before it's enforced. If as we get closer to the enforcement dead line that does not look likely then I will SBR the lower. My 9-inch 300 BO is too much fun and too useful to give up. And if I SBR it I can replace the silly brace with a nice stock.

 

[Tinker-S]

Due to my instability (I move from location to location often) I do not want to deal with an SBR at the moment, but it is a possibility after a more sedentary lifestyle. I would prefer a pistol without brace, more specifically, one that does not require buffer spring tube. Yes, the new requirement definitely changed my choice.

 

[Choctaw]

Yeah. I think that’s the point of NFA, though. Another government success story. Blessed for their misdeeds.

Yep. Let's watch what the Supreme Court does with the Biden school debt cancellation case. This could have a huge impact on limiting the government as well as the pistol brace issue.

 

[Ignition Override]

Absolutely not. Most of my comments here are probably a fairly distant sidenote.

Apparently, the overwhelming factors regarding today's ludicrous and wasteful inconveniences were caused by the ban of foreign -- semi - auto -- rifles around 1989 or so. My impression might be quite mistaken, but so many issues always appear to revolve around This ludicrous ban.

Huge numbers of Gun Receivers at one point were required to be cut In Half .It seems that we can thank the FUDDs in our successive Executive and/or Legislative (?) branches (and among voters) for this insanity.

Whether or not this clearly relates to difficulties with, for example, modern "partially-German", semi-auto MP5s and similar guns, I'm not familiar, but at least the "clone industry" does provide many US jobs. And that is good.

But how about consumer protection? One primary problem with standard-length "military-styled", ,or even "foreign" or cloned SBR rifles seems to be how to determine whether a "clone" is a quality, reliable product--and if Not, How to fix issues.
This has been a Vast, time-consuming problem and often very expensive labyrinth for our American sports shooters to solve.

 

[Hunter 08]

Yep. Let's watch what the Supreme Court does with the Biden school debt cancellation case. This could have a huge impact on limiting the government as well as the pistol brace issue.

We might not hear anything until June by the sounds of it. Starting to sound a bit of a mixed bag, so it'll be a while, as it should be.

 

[old lady new shooter]

I’ve removed my braces, tossed a pistol chassis and bought a bullpup. I don’t think I am leading edge though. Just trying to replicate the same OAL for a specific situation/purpose.

Isn't a bullpup a lot heavier than an AR pistol?

 

[Hunter 08]

Isn't a bullpup a lot heavier than an AR pistol?

Depends on the pistol and rifle. Pistol variants weigh between 5 and 7lbs. Kel-Tec RDB ( RDB17) is 7lbs. So bout on par for the upper weight.

 

[JDeere]

Never had the need for one or the work around they were designed for...

 

[Tinker-S]

Depends on the pistol and rifle. Pistol variants weigh between 5 and 7lbs. Kel-Tec RDB ( RDB17) is 7lbs. So bout on par for the upper weight.

I would like to know how the bullpup performs for you.
I did not have a positive experience with mine, and I sold it for half of what I paid for. It was cool looking, but that was it. Bought it even after reading the reviews thinking that mine would be different.