Guns you think should be discontinued?

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There are some guns that don't need to exist. I'll give my opinion on which ones should go away so that manufacturers can make better use of their time producing guns that are more in demand.

Ruger:

LC380- Same size as the LC9, but with a less powerful round. The LCP is smaller and lighter and shoots the .380 just as well, so what's the point of having the LC380? The only possible reason would be someone with large hands that can't handle the stiffer recoil of 9mm, but that's a very small percent of the population.

.30 Carbine Blackhawk- Let's face what this .30 Blackhawk is: a novelty gun. The .30 Carbine even during WW2 was underpowered from a rifle, but putting it in a revolver with less than half the barrel length of the M1 Carbine? Madness! The .30 Carbine in a single action is not a defensive gun and for plinking, there's much cheaper and more comfortable options available.

.44 Special Blackhawk- Admittedly, I'm not a fan of .44 Special as I prefer .45 Colt, but I can understand why some people might be .44 Special lovers. The snub revolvers on the market today like Charter Arms Bulldog have been popular pocket revolvers for decades, so I see the appeal, but those are small guns meant for defense. The Blackhawk is a large gun and is available in better choices for defense like .357 Magnum and .45 Colt and those options are also cheaper, not to mention easier to find, for recreational shooting. The prospective market for the .44 Blackhawk just isn't big enough to justify continued production of the gun.

.45 Colt only Redhawk- With the introduction of the .45 ACP/.45 Colt Redhawk earlier this year, the .45 Colt model doesn't have much reason to still exist. The entire point of making the combo .45 Redhawk was so owners could shoot the cheaper .45 ACP ammo. If given the choice between the two, people will choose the best bang for their buck and the .45 Colt only Blackhawk is not worth the money in comparison.

Mini 14 with pistol grip and collapsible stock- Seriously? This thing is one ugly duckling. The point of the Mini 14 isn't to be the tacticool gun one would see on the Walking Dead, so what's the point of trying to make it as such? Enough, just drop this abomination and use the labor time on something more worthy.

Target Mini 14's- They are chambered for .223 Remington only. If someone wants a target .223, they may as well just buy an AR that also shoots 5.56 and is probably more accurate of a gun anyway. They probably already do, because I never see these Mini 14's around for sale.

Kel Tec:

P32- Yes, this is a small and very light gun, but it's not so much smaller and lighter than .380's that are available. .32 ACP can kill, but it's an even worse stopper than .380. Unless Kel Tec is shipping these to European and South American countries to cash in on the non-military caliber civilian market, there's little reason to continue producing this gun, especially when there are other guns Kel Tec makes that people want. *cough* Sub 2000 and KSG *cough*

SU-16A- Outclassed by all other SU-16 models. The B is lighter, the C folds and shoots, and the CA is the same as the A, but with a shorter, stiffer barrel. I'm sure if you put all four models on the table, more people would pick the C model than all the others, but I'm also sure the A model would be the least favored model.

PLR 16 and PLR 22- AR pistols are already dumb and loud, but nobody in their right mind would pay for the PLR-16 when they can get an ACTUAL AR style pistol for the same price that's also better. The PLR-22 is not much different except there are pistols chambered in .22 LR that are a lot smaller, lighter, and easier to shoot.

So, those are the guns that I believe need to be discontinued. Which guns do you think manufacturers should stop making?
 
I love a .44 special, and think the Blackhawk should be offered in it. It's not like it's hard to make. It shares the exact same frame with the .45 Colt Blackhawks, just reamed out slightly smaller.
 
The .45 Colt Redhawk is built to handle heavy 45 colt RUGER ONLY loads. The pipsqueak.45 ACP isnt even worth mentioning in the same sentence. The .45 Colt Redhawk is just about the only handgun I'd take into bear country. Don't confuse the anemic cowboy action loads designed for black powder SAA Colt frames with what the modern Ruger actions will handle. Ive got some modern Ruger .45 Colt chambered revolvers running 1400 ft/lbs that will make your hand hurt. .45 ACP ...Hah.
 
Cooldill said:
I love a .44 special, and think the Blackhawk should be offered in it. It's not like it's hard to make. It shares the exact same frame with the .45 Colt Blackhawks, just reamed out slightly smaller.
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This is guns you think should be discontinued, not guns you think should be made that already are.
 
I have no opinion one way or the other on most of those guns, but I do disagree with the Kel-Tec P32. It's the one mousegun I'll actually (eventually) purchase. The rest of them, I can take it or leave it.

I'll leave it for the free-ish market to ultimately decide what stays and what goes. I don't think any gun that has a demand, regardless of how slight, should be discontinued, especially short run novelty guns like the .30 carbine Blackhawk. It's not like there's a dedicated line pumping these things out and flooding the market. The same can be said for each and every gun on your list, most of which I've never actually seen in person.
 
TruthTellers said:
The 10/22 has it's place, but I do think there are better semi auto .22's out there.
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Like what? Excellent out of the box and top notch aftermarket and factory support. There are no better all around .22lr Semi auto rifles.
 
I wouldn't shed a tear if all current S&W revolvers with integral locks, MIM parts, and frame-mounted firing pins were discontinued. (To be replaced, of course, with lockless revolvers having forged parts and hammer-mounted firing pins.)
 
The 45 acp. and the revolver. I get so sick and tired of the 45 acp infiltrating the wheel gun world. Every time I see a manufacturer boasting that their classic wheel gun models will also shoot 45 acp., excuse me while I gag and puke. The 45 acp has it's place, that being in a museum, and if it must remain, let it do so from the outdated 1911 platform it originated from. And because the 45 acp was designed to shoot ball ammo in the first place, most 1911's struggle to cycle modern self defense JHP's reliably, which usually involves multiple trips to the smith to get them even semi reliable with JHP's. Why bother when one can have a top of the line .40 cal. for half the price, and that will eat what ever you feed it without having to be TUNED.

Another one, is the 45 LC. Why even bother to build a 45 lc revolver, if it won't handle Ruger / TC pressures. Don't misunderstand me, I love the 45 LC, but it's black powder days have long passed, thus any and all production revolvers that have been built since, should have been built to handle the high pressure Ruger class loads. Every time I see a modern 45 lc that's not built for H110 loads, I just want to stuff it full of h110 Ruger loads and deliberately reduce it to rubble. So the 45 lc should either be discontinued, or manufacturer's should stop building the wimpy versions.

This is a cool thread. I've waited a long time to get these issues off my chest, but no one ever had the guts to ask the question before, thanks TruthTellers.

GS
 
Wow. Methinks someone was sick they day they taught Economics in high school.

There is this thing...called the Invisible Hand...of the Free Market. It,and ONLY it decides what to discontinue and what to keep.

If the 30 Carbine pistol was SOOOOO bad, no one would buy them and Ruger would stop making them. Same applies for Mini-14's with folding stocks.

HOWEVER... since you asked...

Taurus. Nuff said.

Oh and what Hank B said. And ColtPythonElite.

And come to think of it..every detachable magazine, jam-o-matic rimfire ever made.

Plus any gun with plastic on it.
 
How does a thread like this one..NOT plant the seed of what a few individuals decide what others "Need"?

Do other not see this as the same threat that anti gunners are wanting to apply to all guns...based on what is needed?

Who "needs" a surplus rifle used in a war?

Who "needs" a revolver/pistol that holds more than 6 or ten shots"

Who "needs" more than one gun for home defense?

It really rubs a raw spot...when others start dictating what "needs" are....
 
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There are some guns that don't need to exist. I'll give my opinion on which ones should go away so that manufacturers can make better use of their time producing guns that are more in demand...
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The manufacturers are not constrained by design or manufacturing resources. They're constrained by sales volume. If the design costs are sunk, if there is demand for the product, and if it makes the company money. there's more downside than upside to discontinuing the product.
 
I for one would vote to discontinue tyhe 597 completely. The only one I've had experience with was such a POS that I have no desire to ever handle another. Maybe it was a lemon, but my 10/22 can get through more then 3 consecutive shots without a malfunction. The 597 I shot simply coudn't. I was unable to rememdy the issue for my nephew, and he took it to the local smith, who was QUITE familiar with the 597, having had many in for repair. He told my nephew if he could get 50 bucks out of the gun, to do it and get something else. I didnt argue
 
gamestalker said:
The 45 acp. and the revolver. I get so sick and tired of the 45 acp infiltrating the wheel gun world. Every time I see a manufacturer boasting that their classic wheel gun models will also shoot 45 acp., excuse me while I gag and puke. The 45 acp has it's place, that being in a museum, and if it must remain, let it do so from the outdated 1911 platform it originated from. And because the 45 acp was designed to shoot ball ammo in the first place, most 1911's struggle to cycle modern self defense JHP's reliably, which usually involves multiple trips to the smith to get them even semi reliable with JHP's. Why bother when one can have a top of the line .40 cal. for half the price, and that will eat what ever you feed it without having to be TUNED.

Another one, is the 45 LC. Why even bother to build a 45 lc revolver, if it won't handle Ruger / TC pressures. Don't misunderstand me, I love the 45 LC, but it's black powder days have long passed, thus any and all production revolvers that have been built since, should have been built to handle the high pressure Ruger class loads. Every time I see a modern 45 lc that's not built for H110 loads, I just want to stuff it full of h110 Ruger loads and deliberately reduce it to rubble. So the 45 lc should either be discontinued, or manufacturer's should stop building the wimpy versions.

This is a cool thread. I've waited a long time to get these issues off my chest, but no one ever had the guts to ask the question before, thanks TruthTellers.

GS
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I disagree completely. While I am not a die hard fan of believing in the almighty power of a .45 automatic, it's a round that's never going to be obsolete and because of that I think adding .45 ACP options makes those revolvers more desirable because of ammo variability. It's cheaper to buy ACP than .45 Colt.

Having said that, I agree gun manufacturers that make .45 Colt revolvers that aren't replicas, should be beefing them up to be able to shoot +P loads.

The .45 is here to stay. I don't care for it in an automatic, but if I can get it in a revolver I think that's cool.
 
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Like what? Excellent out of the box and top notch aftermarket and factory support. There are no better all around .22lr Semi auto rifles.

older Marlin Model 60's
Marlin Papoose
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You've convinced me. What's my source for a brand new in the box older Marlin Model 60?
 
Don't get me started on the Remington 597. Worst gun I have ever had with far too many problems to even begin listing here. Definitely one gun I wouldn't miss if it were discontinued.

And discontinue the Ruger Blackhawk in .44 Special? Madness I say...madness! Why do you think Ruger started making guns for this cartridge? Most likely because there was a big enough demand for it in the marketplace in the first place.
 
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