Guns you think should be discontinued?

[Swing]

P32- Yes, this is a small and very light gun, but it's not so much smaller and lighter than .380's that are available. .32 ACP can kill, but it's an even worse stopper than .380. Unless Kel Tec is shipping these to European and South American countries to cash in on the non-military caliber civilian market, there's little reason to continue producing this gun, especially when there are other guns Kel Tec makes that people want. *cough* Sub 2000 and KSG *cough*

It is the thinnest automatic available on the market I'm aware of. I like mine. With the factory extended magazines, there are 11 rounds on tap in a package smaller than some phones. The recoil is nearly nothing. Optimal carry piece? Hardly. But it positively disappears in a suit coat, sports jacket, or a tux like few other pistols. Packing a couple spare mags is easy too.

And, yes, I wouldn't be surprised if they are selling them abroad. The .32 Auto (aka 7.65mm Br) is very popular in some parts.

Who, in the hell, CARES what guns you or any other one person THINKS the manufacturers shouldn't bother to make? You are not in a position to KNOW what they should or shouldn't make.

Bingo-bango. Most, though not all, of the manufacturers are run by smart cookies. If there is a viable market, they'll keep producing them. If not, not.

 

[alexander45]

The judge and governor need to go the way of all the other as seen on TV miracle 12 in 1 life changing garbage

 

[Baron_Null]

The only answer I can come up with that wouldn't leave me feel petty because -people are making things that I don't want - would be the DoubleTap derringer. It is nearly useless for my needs as I see them, but that's not why I mention it. I mention the DoubleTap because it's known by a great number of people be unsafe. Some models are prone to firing both barrels at once because the frame cannot provide much recoil dampening, and from what I've read they also have a tendency to violently deconstruct themselves.

If they rework the design somehow to make it safe (or have already, through I've heard nothing about that), I'd have no problem with it. I still wouldn't buy one, but I wouldn't say it needs to be discontinued.

 

[dekibg]

can't believe how much of hostility

some of you showed towards the OP.
he did not call for ban of any guns, it was rather to be a poll of which guns you think are useless or of bad design.
This was supposed to be a fun thread
I am surprised nobody involved "Obamacare" somehow, too
Some of you really need to relax ...

 

[R.W.Dale]

I'd rather see the Encore discontinued than the Contender... personally, the Contender in .30-30 or .44 mag makes an excellent little, light carbine.

So does the Encore.

But unlike the contender when in handgun form it doesn't try to rip your fingers off.

I'm with the guy on the contenders needing to go. (I think they have actually) I've had them and they are hands down THE MOST painful uncomfortable firearms to shoot mankind has yet devised, it must take a true connoisseur of self-flagellation to "enjoy" contender shooting.

If mine taught me anything it was that a revolver is cheaper, just as accurate and about 10,000x more ergonomic to shoot.

 

[danez71]

There are some guns that don't need to exist. I'll give my opinion on which ones should go away so that manufacturers can make better use of their time producing guns that are more in demand.

Ruger:

LC380- Same size as the LC9, but with a less powerful round. The LCP is smaller and lighter and shoots the .380 just as well, so what's the point of having the LC380? The only possible reason would be someone with large hands that can't handle the stiffer recoil of 9mm, but that's a very small percent of the population.

Besides the benefit you listed......
They just came out with a conversion kit to turn the LC380 to 9mm and its CA compliant.

.44 Special Blackhawk- Admittedly, I'm not a fan of .44 Special as I prefer .45 Colt, but I can understand why some people might be .44 Special lovers. The snub revolvers on the market today like Charter Arms Bulldog have been popular pocket revolvers for decades, so I see the appeal, but those are small guns meant for defense. The Blackhawk is a large gun and is available in better choices for defense like .357 Magnum and .45 Colt and those options are also cheaper, not to mention easier to find, for recreational shooting. The prospective market for the .44 Blackhawk just isn't big enough to justify continued production of the gun.

Really? Do you have any marketing data to share? And who ever said the Blackhawk is supposed to be a gun for defense?

.45 Colt only Redhawk- With the introduction of the .45 ACP/.45 Colt Redhawk earlier this year, the .45 Colt model doesn't have much reason to still exist.

So you want to discontinue offering it with only 1 cylinder?

Mini 14 with pistol grip and collapsible stock- Seriously? This thing is one ugly duckling. The point of the Mini 14 isn't to be the tacticool gun one would see on the Walking Dead, so what's the point of trying to make it as such? Enough, just drop this abomination and use the labor time on something more worthy.

I thought the folding stock was to make it more compact, portable, and versatile etc. They didn't bolt on a bunch of black plastic tacticool rails.

Target Mini 14's- They are chambered for .223 Remington only. If someone wants a target .223, they may as well just buy an AR that also shoots 5.56 and is probably more accurate of a gun anyway. They probably already do, because I never see these Mini 14's around for sale.

Spoken from inexperience?


Kel Tec:

SU-16A- Outclassed by all other SU-16 models. The B is lighter, the C folds and shoots, and the CA is the same as the A, but with a shorter, stiffer barrel. I'm sure if you put all four models on the table, more people would pick the C model than all the others, but I'm also sure the A model would be the least favored model.

Per Kel-tec " This allows for it to be purchased in most states that still have an "Assault Weapons Ban"."


[/QUOTE]

So, those are the guns that I believe need to be discontinued. [/QUOTE]



And judging by most of the thread, not many people agree.


But, we're all entitled to our own opinion.

 

[Doc7]

Every gun that isn't the next one I plan to purchase, so I don't need to google "X vs Y" for 6 months and never buy any!

 

[R.W.Dale]

Danez71

If you feel compelled to offer up a rebuttal to every post here you don't agree with I'm thinking you have completely missed the lighthearted nature of this thread and are taking it far too seriously

 

[stompah]

Those crappy 1911 .22s. Chiappa, Llama & GSG. I am sure there are more that I don't know of. Those are junk. I have a Chiappa and it can be a miserable gun to shoot. The Llama is the same gun and I saw a guy at the range with his GSG and he had to push the slide to get every other round back into battery.

I would much rather people buy the Ruger 22/45 if they want a reliable 22 with the grip feel of a 1911.

 

[speedway]

Like what? Excellent out of the box and top notch aftermarket and factory support. There are no better all around .22lr Semi auto rifles.

I wouldn't trade my Marlin for two Rugers.

 

[P5 Guy]

You do know that that brace is a stock. .....Right?
__________________
jlr

Yes I'm well aware of the brace and it's use on AR type pistols. ATF letters to the contrary putting said brace to one's shoulder does make a SBR out of the AR pistol. That horse has been beaten here and on other forums several times already.
Remember just a few months ago DoJ was going to ban 'Green Tip Enhanced Penetration 5.56x45' rifle ammunition as armor piercing cop killing pistol bullets?

Not my idea that came from Attorney General Holder.

 

[CraigC]

Wow, what a terrible list of guns you've compiled to stop making with a bunch of weird, short-sighted and sometimes ignorant reasons.

LC380- Some folks want a pistol that size with less recoil. Same for the P32. I have an LC9 and have owned P-32 sized guns in both .32ACP and .380 and understand why some would want the bigger gun in a smaller cartridge.

.30 Carbine Blackhawk- Apparently there are enough folks who think the .30Carbine makes a great varmint cartridge to keep it alive.

.44 Special Blackhawk- Do you understand that these are built on a smaller frame than your .45? As has been the case for the 80yrs Elmer Keith's work has been in print, the .44Spl offers more power in a Colt-sized package than the .45Colt. This hasn't changed and some folks worked diligently for 50yrs to get Ruger to produce a .44Spl.

.45 Colt only Redhawk- The .45ACP is a great revolver cartridge but a great many folks don't want it in a Redhawk. Some don't want an auto cartridge in a revolver at all. It doesn't shoot so well in the longer .45Colt chamber anyway.


I think you should spend more time reading (i.e. learning) and less time posting. The internet already is over its quota of uninformed opinions.

Ruger could quit building the 10/22 and I wouldn't shed a tears....Bring on the flames...lol

Never miss an opportunity.

 

[The Alaskan]

I am surprised nobody involved "Obamacare" somehow, too

The very idea of this discussion smacks of Socialism. I bet the OP is trying to form an Obamacare "Death Panel" for guns to decide which guns to confiscate first.

We all recognize the general concept: this gun (or person) is not worth saving or keeping because the panel doesn't see any benefit to society, so let's just get rid of it.

There. Fixed it for you! LOL

 

[Bang!]

Well, this sure turned into the urinary olympics. I don't believe that was the OP's intent. Anyway, Glocks!

 

[Cokeman]

Desert Eagle .50 cal?

 

[TruthTellers]

Wow, what a terrible list of guns you've compiled to stop making with a bunch of weird, short-sighted and sometimes ignorant reasons.

LC380- Some folks want a pistol that size with less recoil. Same for the P32. I have an LC9 and have owned P-32 sized guns in both .32ACP and .380 and understand why some would want the bigger gun in a smaller cartridge.

.30 Carbine Blackhawk- Apparently there are enough folks who think the .30Carbine makes a great varmint cartridge to keep it alive.

.44 Special Blackhawk- Do you understand that these are built on a smaller frame than your .45? As has been the case for the 80yrs Elmer Keith's work has been in print, the .44Spl offers more power in a Colt-sized package than the .45Colt. This hasn't changed and some folks worked diligently for 50yrs to get Ruger to produce a .44Spl.

.45 Colt only Redhawk- The .45ACP is a great revolver cartridge but a great many folks don't want it in a Redhawk. Some don't want an auto cartridge in a revolver at all. It doesn't shoot so well in the longer .45Colt chamber anyway.


I think you should spend more time reading (i.e. learning) and less time posting. The internet already is over its quota of uninformed opinions.



Never miss an opportunity.

LC380- Yes, I understand that some want a larger gun that's a soft shooter for physical reasons and I mentioned that.

Blackhawk .30 Carbine- You didn't even try to make a case for the .30 chambered handgun. If there are enough that believe the .30 Carbine is a great varmint cartridge, surely they'd use it from a rifle no?

44 Blackhawk- I didn't know that the frame was smaller or that people had been asking for one for decades prior. I still think the .45 Colt is better as it can shoot +P loads.

.45 Redhawk- Meh, seems like such a trivial thing to be upset about. "WHAT! MY RUGER REDHAWK HAND CANNON IS CUT TO ACCEPT .45 ACP VIA MOON CLIP? HOW VILE! THE UNMITIGATED GALL OF RUGER TO DO SUCH A THING!"

I form these opinions mainly because I come from the school of thought that the cheaper, more availble, and more powerful the cartridge, the better the gun. That's why I mentioned the P32. The .32 vs .380 is weaker and not as common, so I don't like it as much as .380 ACP. I do think the P32 is the best .32 on the market though.

 

[ROAshooter]

"I form these opinions mainly because I come from the school of thought that the cheaper, more availble, and more powerful the cartridge, the better the gun. That's why I mentioned the P32. The .32 vs .380 is weaker and not as common, so I don't like it as much as .380 ACP. I do think the P32 is the best .32 on the market though."


This explains a lot!!!

 

[ColtPythonElite]

Never miss an opportunity.

I try not to.

 

[Swing]

The judge and governor need to go the way of all the other as seen on TV miracle 12 in 1 life changing garbage

I think they are crap and would never own one. But they sure are hot sellers, so they make sense from a business standpoint.

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public."—H. L. Mencken

 

[FROGO207]

Dang the first time I glanced at the thread I thought I saw discounted instead of discontinued. So I clicked and started to read----LOL.

My thought was that just because I see no need for or to buy something does not disqualify it from still being produced. The more diverse a selection the more individuals will want to buy "just what I wanted" in a firearm. That leads to more individual gun owners and that is what we all really want anyway. Supply and demand will dictate what is profitable to be manufactured/supported in the future. YMMV

 

[danez71]

Danez71

If you feel compelled to offer up a rebuttal to every post here you don't agree with I'm thinking you have completely missed the lighthearted nature of this thread and are taking it far too seriously

lol... you just rebutted someone a few posts up and then say that to me.

As evidenced, Im far from the only one.


And apparently you missed my . I didn't use a .

 

[Robert]

This is generating more heat than light. Whatever the purpose may have been this just became/ is becoming far too divisive a conversation.