Do You Agree With ANY Gun Control Laws?

[John_R]

We should probably prosecute people for their acts, not the tools they use. Murder someone, and you get convicted of murder. The tool doesn't matter to me - poison, knife, baseball bat, hammer, gun, who cares? Focusing on the tool takes some responsibility off the murderer. If only he didn't have access to the tool, he wouldn't have committed his heinous act, said no one, ever.

 

[FL-NC]

I believe in criminal control. More so in violent criminal control. Also that punishment should fit the crime. Someone convicted of voter fraud should lose their right to participate in the process forever. A crooked politician should never be able to hold public office again. Someone convicted of a violent felony should lose their gun rights- a pattern of conduct has been established, and a fitting punishment levied. I don't see the point in taking away the gun rights of a tax cheater.

 

[twarr1]

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[The Glockodile]

There’s a video currently going around that shows an idiot firing a pistol through his windshield at another driver in a fit of rage. If he only had a hammer or a bow and arrows the act and consequences would’ve been much different. Yes, people are killed with hammers. But it takes a lot more effort than shooting someone from a distance. To say they’re the same is disingenuous.

Our "tools" are Fawce Multiplierz!

 

[zdc1775]

I agree, however a major problem is we are letting people walk among us who obviously can’t be be trusted. I don’t really see where anyone, politically speaking, is trying to fix that. So while I agree with the statement, it really doesn’t matter as that’s not the world we live in, not now and doubtfully ever.

Bah.

Many of those that walk freely among society today are not trusted, nor should they be trusted; it's solely a matter of convenience that so many miscreants -- who absolutely should not be able to legally buy firearms --roam free. We cannot incarcerate all the evil among us; from a purely fiscal standpoint, our governments can't afford it. Nor, with the inconsistency among the various states' sentencing acts and the poor performance of many major cities' prosecutors (strangely, mostly in Democrat-controlled jurisdictions). Thus, there are those that are released due to either liberal sentencing guidelines, bad bail policy ("reform"), erroneous releases, plea bargains and judges that cannot perform their jobs up to standards.

The fact that there are people walking among us that shouldn't be is a completely different problem in my eyes and placing laws against the ownership or possession of any inanimate object will not correct that. Personally, I would love to see an effective way to fix or isolate these "evil" people from the world but in the meantime I would still greatly prefer dangerous freedom over any government restrictions.

 

[lilguy]

California just enacted suing anyone in the firearms supply change for the misuse of the product.

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/07/12/n...s-liable-the-gun-industry-can-no-longer-hide/

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Do You Agree With ANY Gun Control Laws?

I think you will find even the most staunch 2nd amendmenters support some infringement (see below).

Knowing that criminals obey no laws is this a fools game against the law abiding?

This could be argued for any and every law.

What part of "shall not be infringed" don't y'all understand.

All gun laws are a infringement

Which seems silly that we don't allow prisoners in prison to have guns. Does that not infringe upon their rights? Yes. Usually, the counter argument is that they have broken a law and lost their right to have a firearm, at least while they are in prison. Well, isn't losing your right to a firearm an infringement of the right? Yes, yes it is.

I really don't know of any gun owners who think prisoners in prisons should be allowed to have guns. I don't know of any gun owners who think mentally unstable/insane (whatever the correct wording is) people should be able to have guns. Most are against small children owning guns, claiming that only certain rights apply to adults, which means they are fine with infringing the rights of non-adults.

Funny how we can rationalize infringements as being good or proper but then argue about infringements we don't like and yet still make absolutist claims about the 2nd amendment.

 

[DeepSouth]

The fact that there are people walking among us that shouldn't be is a completely different problem in my eyes and placing laws against the ownership or possession of any inanimate object will not correct that. Personally, I would love to see an effective way to fix or isolate these "evil" people from the world but in the meantime I would still greatly prefer dangerous freedom over any government restrictions.

i don’t disagree, they are definitely different problems. However, realistically firearm ownership restrictions are a way to manage the effects of free criminals.

Personally I agree with preferring dangerous freedom over restrictions based on “safety”. But I do understand the argument for it, it’s at least logical.. even if I disagree with it.

 

[jmorris]

Yes but I probably wouldn’t have to if we killed people that are out to harm others vs keeping them out there hunting us and our friends and family.

I suppose that’s why places like NY, Chicago other big liberal cities are flooding the streets with dangerous people. Makes it easier to steal liberty from “the people” that just don’t want to be killed, during normal everyday activities.

Wouldn’t it be nice if the left viewed all crimes as if they were Jan 6 rally participants. We could have this place cleaned up in no time. The fact that they don’t and even go so far as being polar opposite, in action, shows that that is not a goal.

So, let me see if I have this straight. You want me to give up my rights, with new laws, because you enforce the ones we already have like this?



Yeah, that’s a non starter. How about you work on that first and get back to me. You haven’t shown enough responsibility for me to allow you to make sound judgments concerning my freedom.

Giving one more power despite them not knowing how or being able to use it correctly sounds like a bad idea, no matter the subject.

 

[zdc1775]

i don’t disagree, they are definitely different problems. However, realistically firearm ownership restrictions are a way to manage the effects of free criminals.

Personally I agree with preferring dangerous freedom over restrictions based on “safety”. But I do understand the argument for it, it’s at least logical.. even if I disagree with it.

I can also agree that at least some of the restrictions have at least a basis of logic but that doesn't mean that I support the restriction itself.

Which seems silly that we don't allow prisoners in prison to have guns. Does that not infringe upon their rights? Yes. Usually, the counter argument is that they have broken a law and lost their right to have a firearm, at least while they are in prison. Well, isn't losing your right to a firearm an infringement of the right? Yes, yes it is.

I really don't know of any gun owners who think prisoners in prisons should be allowed to have guns. I don't know of any gun owners who think mentally unstable/insane (whatever the correct wording is) people should be able to have guns. Most are against small children owning guns, claiming that only certain rights apply to adults, which means they are fine with infringing the rights of non-adults.

Funny how we can rationalize infringements as being good or proper but then argue about infringements we don't like and yet still make absolutist claims about the 2nd amendment.

I'll explain why I personally don't see that as an infringement.

In my eyes prisons not allowing prisoners to have access to firearms is no different than an individual or private business "banning" firearms on their property. It's simply a rule that they have established as a part of accessing the property not a law that actually criminalizes it, yes I know that currently it is a crime (at least in most states if not all) for anyone who isn't specifically authorized to have a firearm in a prison and yes I think that law is an infringement on our (including the prisoner's) right to bear arms, the only difference is that as free citizens we have a choice about where we go and prisoners don't.

Their punishment is that restriction of movement and one of the "rules" of the property they are restricted to is that they are not allowed to have access to any firearms, just like they can't have knives, or street clothes, or even food and drinks that aren't specifically authorized by the property owners (the Government) or managers (prison staff). I will argue that the mere possession of those items by the prisoners should not be considered a crime and merely a violation of the rules of the facility and yes violating those rules should have consequences, even very harsh consequences, but just possessing them should not be a criminal act.

 

[Hal]

I just have to ask, do you think you should be able to drive your inanimate car on either side of the inanimate road, or should their be a law against that?

Who gets the ticket if you do? You or the car?

 

[DeepSouth]

Who gets the ticket if you do? You or the car?

The person ALWAYS gets the punishment, true for gun control to.
Apparently I missed the point

 

[dannyd]

I think we should consider raising the age of purchase to 21. I have worked in the mental health field for several years, specifically dealing with folks with suicidal ideation and other "crisis" situations. I am also a 16 year military veteran. I just think that the age of onset for many personality disorders is so high that problematic individuals don't have the opportunity to become flagged before they are legally allowed to purchase firearms. Schizophrenia is a good example, the age of onset is anywhere from late teens, to early 20's. This or other disorders involving psychosis seem like they may have been contributing factors in recent shootings.

I don't understand the age thing; I was E-5 with 4 years in the Navy and married by the time I 21.

The main problem is the new generation of parents are not being parents.

I was my Kids Dad not their Friend. We had rules and they were in forced to the letter.

My kids are in their 40's and raising the Grandkids just like they were They have Rules that are in forced.

We had plenty of late bloomers in the military (joining after the age of 30) that were painful and immature.

There's definitely a reason we are having more shooting now than we had in the previous 75 years , but it has nothing to do with guns. It all Falls on the People that are having kids But refusing to be Their Parents.

 

[jmorris]

The person ALWAYS gets the punishment, true for gun control to.
Apparently I missed the point

I believe you did. A death in a drunk driving crash is blamed on the driver, not the alcohol or automobile. There is no one in a Congress trying to make either of the others liable either.

If you believe what the left is telling you, all shootings are the guns fault and we should be able to sue the MFG…

 

[film495]

guns might be the topic, but people control laws is what we should be thinking about. gun control laws don't prevent stabbing, sword, or automobile attacks. I'm a bit mixed on even Felon's owning guns. If they've done their time and are released, they have a right to self-defense as well. If they aren't safe to be on the street, don't let them out. complicated problems usually can only be solved by equally simple solutions, because they can actually be understood and followed. Like that Olympic athlete in LA who just got bashed in the face after getting lunch. You think that guy should have been on the street? I don't know and don't bother to check, I just assume there was every opportunity to use existing laws that would have prevented that attack, priors etc. Next week he'll probably be doing the same thing to someone else when they let him out again.

 

[GEM]

Yes, I think we need very minimal gun laws, but it depends on the proposed law. Most are useless.

One law I would propose is that Americans have a mandatory introduction to firearms class in a positive environment by high school level. The class, or series of classes would cover gun handling, gun safety, ethics and conflict resolution. I learned that kind of stuff from my dad and other mentors. But most kids don't have dads like that these day

It's funny that we never hear people who are tying to tackle "The gun problem" talking about firearms education. Seems to me something as important as the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution deserves some classroom time.

I would have to be from Krypton to teach gun handling in today's urban high schools. It's clear that most gun crimes are driven by social forces that such education wouldn't touch.

 

[tarosean]

The main problem is the new generation of parents are not being parents.

The entire WORLD has the same issues! Divorce, Single parents, Mental illness, Movies, Video Games etc. etc. etc. or whatever you want to point a finger at.

Quit trying to make excuses as it is a uniquely USA issue.

 

[DeepSouth]

I believe you did. A death in a drunk driving crash is blamed on the driver, not the alcohol or automobile. There is no one in a Congress trying to make either of the others liable either.

If you believe what the left is telling you, all shootings are the guns fault and we should be able to sue the MFG…

Okay, I follow the logic now, I’m with you.
I’ve been told I have poor reading comprehension, I believe those people were being kind to me. Lol

 

[epags]

The poll was: 'Do You Agree With Any Gun Control Laws?' Not all gun control laws.
Alny poster that voted No then said "but or except for" voted incorrectly.
Any restrictions due to age, criminal history and/or mental stability would have to be a "law"
Now, the fewer laws there are, the more likely to be enforced.

 

[Hokkmike]

Violent felons and habitual substance abusers should not have access to firearms. I have tried to clear my thinking by asking the question - would there be any reasons for disallowing others US citizens to vote? (another in the Bill of Rights) Somebody who has officially renounced his/her citizenship perhaps. Maybe prisoners while incarcerated. Limiting a Constitutional right is always dangerous.....

 

[TarDevil]

The problem is trying to craft laws designed to enforce common sense.

There exists two diametrically opposite fashions of "common sense" gun laws.

 

[dannyd]

The entire WORLD has the same issues! Divorce, Single parents, Mental illness, Movies, Video Games etc. etc. etc. or whatever you want to point a finger at.

Quit trying to make excuses as it is a uniquely USA issue.

It is a United States issue in the United State's; we have more access to information about How to the Right things in Life than any other Country on Earth.

Definitely not making any excuses for the most part My Generation sucked as Parents, just look at their Kids.

 

[Madcap_Magician]

Yes, some.

 

[zdc1775]

I don't understand the age thing; I was E-5 with 4 years in the Navy and married by the time I 21.

I completely agree. Age and maturity are two vastly different things. Similarly to you, I turned 21 shortly after returning from a deployment to Iraq (my second one) as an 0311 fire team leader and had been married for nearly a year. Being a fire team leader in an infantry company, my job quite literally required me to carry what the ATF defines as a machine gun nearly everyday while also being in charge of 3 other likewise sub 21 year olds doing the same thing in a foreign country where we couldn't even communicate with the local population.

While some kids are responsible and mature enough for me to feel comfortable with them having firearms around me and my family, some people will never reach a state of responsibility or maturity where I would feel comfortable being around them while they have even a butter knife, much less a firearm. But I will still fight to the death for their right to have them.

 

[Mk-211]

Anyone that says that this is a "uniquely" thing to the U.S., hasn't been paying attention to current events!

Stop spreading more lies, inform people, don't just listen to the 3 letter outlets!

Get off regular news that has agendas, plenty of real news out there, you just have to let your fingers do the walking.