Do you carry a handgun in and around the house?

Do you carry a handgun in and around the house?

  • Yes - Pants on Gun on. ABC. 100% of home invasion happen in the home.

    Votes: 42 24.0%
  • Yes - Pants on Gun on plus there some are hidden around the house.

    Votes: 33 18.9%
  • No - I have guns hidden in each room.

    Votes: 4 2.3%
  • No - But there is one usually near me.

    Votes: 66 37.7%
  • No - My carry gun is in or on the nightstand.

    Votes: 5 2.9%
  • No - I live in a safe neighborhood and have a Dog, Cat, or Attack Parakeet.

    Votes: 3 1.7%
  • No - I don't wear clothing around the house.

    Votes: 4 2.3%
  • No - I wear sweatpants or PJ's around the house.

    Votes: 3 1.7%
  • No - If I felt like I needed to carry a gun around the house, I would move.

    Votes: 13 7.4%
  • No - I don't own a handgun.

    Votes: 2 1.1%

  • Total voters
    175
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Seems that folks living in the sticks far far away from all the bad guys believe the relative isolation inoculates then from harm.

Au Contraire Mon Frère!

With no one to see or hear for miles around, and the Sheriff cooling his heels in town at the doughnut shop, evil-doers can rape, torture, and pillage at their lesiure.

A very famous exemplar of this is the gruesome true story recounted by Capote in his book "In Cold Blood"
Some of the most brutal and violent cases I've run across was folks living out in the sticks. Big fancy house with a big wide yard full of high dollar toys and no one for miles around. Easy target for dirt bags. The rural meth-mouths have no problem targeting their well-to-do neighborhoods.
 
I find I can take a nice nap on the couch while wearing my Glock 43X in an OWB holster. At the end of the day, I might swap it out for a pocket carried Ruger LCP 380 Max.
I don't sleep with or shower with a gun, I figured that was kind of an unstated given with the question in the OP.

We live in the sticks down a mile long private road. Back in 2010 when we 1st bought the house, we had someone smash out the glass in the front door and try to get into the house. I was overseas at the time and my SO scared them off.

No problems since then but I upgraded the lighting on the house, added steel doors, and locked glass storm doors.

I just got a ring camera and need to install it. I'll probably get 2 more for the back doors or some of the cameras that go with the Ring system. While I like dogs, I'm just not a dog person. We have cats and the Maine Coon acts like a dog. He's good at making a run to hide under the bed when he hears someone pull into the driveway.
 
Seems that folks living in the sticks far far away from all the bad guys believe the relative isolation inoculates then from harm.

Au Contraire Mon Frère!

With no one to see or hear for miles around, and the Sheriff cooling his heels in town at the doughnut shop, evil-doers can rape, torture, and pillage at their lesiure.

A very famous exemplar of this is the gruesome true story recounted by Capote in his book "In Cold Blood"
That was 65 years ago.

Even that wasn't "random", the criminals got the idea somewhere that Clutter had a safe full of cash.
 
My house is backwards to many and I’m not talking 3:00 am. I can sillouete the individual on the porch while being obscure myself. And the camera is a given. To each his own.
I think you entirely missed my point. If you don't know who's outside of your house and you don't know what they're there for and you're so concerned that you feel the need to go to the door with a gun in your hand, maybe you shouldn't be opening the door
 
You'd have to be really dumb to get that close to somebody welding
Accurate. It was very weird. I can laugh about it now. I finished a bead and flipped the hood up and she was just standing there like you would if you approach 2 people in a conversation and don't want to interrupt so you awkwardly stand there and wait for one of them to quit talking. Soon as I made eye contact she went right into realtor mode " Hi I'm Susy Smith and I'm selling the house next door!"
I was too dumbfounded to even chew her out for coming in.

Truth be told, I find welding to be a pretty vulnerable position though. Sure I have hot metal at my disposable but I also generally have ear plugs in, my face is covered and if I'm running stick or dual shield the gloves are entirely too big to operate a gun. She is probably lucky I didn't wing a 12 inch bessey F clamp at her though :D
 
My little pocket protectors. One of them is constantly with me.

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Several years ago a older couple who lived out in the sticks about 10 miles from my place had a home invasion. Two guys and a girl stole whatever they wanted killed the old couple burned the house down with the old couples bodies inside. The perps were caught but I don't remember how.
Don't think you're safe just because you're not in a high crime area.
 
I'm a former cop who is a registered lobbyist for a gun rights organizations. Plenty of people don't like me.
Didn't say that, but 1000% yes. Personal issues (even just a job, you are skylined for any other reason and people hate you, etc) in even otherwise nice areas can mean you have a long-term or permanent condition that means you have a higher threat. I should have said I have LEO friends who — and to above points: out in very very rural areas — have absolutely had bad guys come to their property,* forget the more typical worries of bumping into them at the grocery store. Even if they don't keep a gun in the shower, they absolutely do not walk out the door in their fenced yard without a gun, do a walkaround of their vehicle before entering, etc.
 
Several years ago a older couple who lived out in the sticks about 10 miles from my place had a home invasion. Two guys and a girl stole whatever they wanted killed the old couple burned the house down with the old couples bodies inside. The perps were caught but I don't remember how.
Don't think you're safe just because you're not in a high crime area.
Rural areas have plenty of crime. It is mostly underreported since rural areas don't get media coverage like urban areas do.
 
Your basis for that assertion?

LOTS of the "everyone knows" data on crime is dead wrong. For home burglaries, try this (all under the numbered titles are quoted, some have links maybe). Disagree: fine. Do as you will.

1) Definition. TL;DR: Def: Home Invasion is a robbery of a dwelling.
In general, home invasion robberies have the following five features:
  • Offender entry is forced and/or unauthorized (except in some drug-related robberies)
  • Offenders seek confrontation (i.e., the intent is to rob)
  • Confrontation occurs inside dwellings
  • Offenders use violence and/or the threat of violence
  • Offenders demand and take money and/or property4

2) Time of day. TL;DR: majority during the day
In the United States, most residential burglaries—about 60 percent of reported offenses—occur in the daytime, when houses are unoccupied.11 This proportion reflects a marked change in recent decades: in 1961, about 16 percent of residential burglaries occurred in the daytime; by 1995, the proportion of daytime burglaries had risen to 40 percent.12 This change is generally attributed to the increase in women working outside the home during those decades—leaving houses vacant for much of the day. Thus, burglaries are often disproportionately concentrated on weekdays.

3) Burglary vs Robbery. TL;DR: Burglars want your stuff, not you.
Occupancy. Most burglars do not target occupied houses, taking great care to avoid them. Some studies suggest burglars routinely ring doorbells to confirm residents' absence. How long residents are away from home is a strong predictor of the risk of burglary,26 which explains why single-parent, one-person and younger-occupant homes are more vulnerable. The following houses are at higher risk:
  • Houses vacant for extended periods. Vacation or weekend homes, and those of residents away on vacation, are particularly at risk of burglary and revictimization.27 Signs of vacancy—such as open garage doors or accumulated mail—may indicate that no one is home.
  • Houses routinely vacant during the day. Houses that appear occupied—with the lights on, a vehicle in the driveway, visible activity, or audible noises from within—are less likely to be burglarized.28 Even houses near occupied houses generally have a lower risk of burglary.29
  • Houses of new residents. Neighborhoods with higher mobility—those with shorter-term residents—tend to have higher burglary rates, presumably because residents do not have well-established social networks.30
  • Houses without dogs. A dog's presence is a close substitute for human occupancy, and most burglars avoid houses with dogs. Small dogs may bark and attract attention, and large dogs may pose a physical threat, as well.31 On average, burglarized houses are less likely to have dogs than are non-burglarized houses, suggesting that dog ownership is a substantial deterrent.32 (Security alarms, discussed below, are also a substitute for occupancy.)
4) Targets of Home Invasions. TL;DR: Robberies are vastly more risky that burglaries so it better pay off with drugs or cash, and often unreported.
Drugs are usually the common factor in home invasions. Saucier said marijuana dealers can be targeted because that drug fetches more money on the streets. The captain said sometimes a crew would work together to target dealers.

There are several common motives for home invasion robberies. The most obvious is to steal valuable items, such as cash, drugs, or property, which can be sold for cash. Another is retaliation, such as against a rival drug dealer, gang member, or domestic partner; robbery is part of the retaliation. Another is sexual assault in which robbery is committed incidentally. In some communities, home invasion robberies are principally drug rip-offs in which the target is cash or drugs, or both, and both offenders and victims are involved in the illegal drug trade.5

They prefer victims about whom they have inside information and, long before the robbery, may monitor them or talk to others who know their routines.23 In drug-related home invasions, offenders often conduct surveillance before the robbery. Some even meet with victims days before the attack to ensure that drugs and cash will be on hand during the robbery...24


Home invasion robberies have captured local headlines in recent months: a Parkland woman was sexually assaulted and a lone robber held a Lauderhill family at gunpoint in a bedroom.
These cases are shocking, but they are the exception, police say.
Most home-invasion robberies happen among drug dealers and gang members, meaning victims are not usually targeted at random. For more typical scenarios, investigators point to cases in which robbers stormed makeshift marijuana labs in Miami-Dade County to steal from rival drug dealers, and gang members in Palm Beach County robbed and beat each other.
“The majority of victims have some association with their attackers,” said Sgt. George Grosso, with the Palm Beach County Violent Crimes division. “Most of our home invasions are drug-related — they know where they can get the drugs or the money.”
[Note, even cases that are reported as innocent nice suburbanites as above, later it is always revealed IME that they had some shady connections so there was an expectation of finding illicit goods or ill gotten cash]
 
LOTS of the "everyone knows" data on crime is dead wrong. For home burglaries, try this (all under the numbered titles are quoted, some have links maybe). Disagree: fine. Do as you will.

1) Definition. TL;DR: Def: Home Invasion is a robbery of a dwelling.
In general, home invasion robberies have the following five features:
  • Offender entry is forced and/or unauthorized (except in some drug-related robberies)
  • Offenders seek confrontation (i.e., the intent is to rob)
  • Confrontation occurs inside dwellings
  • Offenders use violence and/or the threat of violence
  • Offenders demand and take money and/or property4

2) Time of day. TL;DR: majority during the day
In the United States, most residential burglaries—about 60 percent of reported offenses—occur in the daytime, when houses are unoccupied.11 This proportion reflects a marked change in recent decades: in 1961, about 16 percent of residential burglaries occurred in the daytime; by 1995, the proportion of daytime burglaries had risen to 40 percent.12 This change is generally attributed to the increase in women working outside the home during those decades—leaving houses vacant for much of the day. Thus, burglaries are often disproportionately concentrated on weekdays.

3) Burglary vs Robbery. TL;DR: Burglars want your stuff, not you.
Occupancy. Most burglars do not target occupied houses, taking great care to avoid them. Some studies suggest burglars routinely ring doorbells to confirm residents' absence. How long residents are away from home is a strong predictor of the risk of burglary,26 which explains why single-parent, one-person and younger-occupant homes are more vulnerable. The following houses are at higher risk:
  • Houses vacant for extended periods. Vacation or weekend homes, and those of residents away on vacation, are particularly at risk of burglary and revictimization.27 Signs of vacancy—such as open garage doors or accumulated mail—may indicate that no one is home.
  • Houses routinely vacant during the day. Houses that appear occupied—with the lights on, a vehicle in the driveway, visible activity, or audible noises from within—are less likely to be burglarized.28 Even houses near occupied houses generally have a lower risk of burglary.29
  • Houses of new residents. Neighborhoods with higher mobility—those with shorter-term residents—tend to have higher burglary rates, presumably because residents do not have well-established social networks.30
  • Houses without dogs. A dog's presence is a close substitute for human occupancy, and most burglars avoid houses with dogs. Small dogs may bark and attract attention, and large dogs may pose a physical threat, as well.31 On average, burglarized houses are less likely to have dogs than are non-burglarized houses, suggesting that dog ownership is a substantial deterrent.32 (Security alarms, discussed below, are also a substitute for occupancy.)
4) Targets of Home Invasions. TL;DR: Robberies are vastly more risky that burglaries so it better pay off with drugs or cash, and often unreported.
Drugs are usually the common factor in home invasions. Saucier said marijuana dealers can be targeted because that drug fetches more money on the streets. The captain said sometimes a crew would work together to target dealers.

There are several common motives for home invasion robberies. The most obvious is to steal valuable items, such as cash, drugs, or property, which can be sold for cash. Another is retaliation, such as against a rival drug dealer, gang member, or domestic partner; robbery is part of the retaliation. Another is sexual assault in which robbery is committed incidentally. In some communities, home invasion robberies are principally drug rip-offs in which the target is cash or drugs, or both, and both offenders and victims are involved in the illegal drug trade.5

They prefer victims about whom they have inside information and, long before the robbery, may monitor them or talk to others who know their routines.23 In drug-related home invasions, offenders often conduct surveillance before the robbery. Some even meet with victims days before the attack to ensure that drugs and cash will be on hand during the robbery...24


Home invasion robberies have captured local headlines in recent months: a Parkland woman was sexually assaulted and a lone robber held a Lauderhill family at gunpoint in a bedroom.
These cases are shocking, but they are the exception, police say.
Most home-invasion robberies happen among drug dealers and gang members, meaning victims are not usually targeted at random. For more typical scenarios, investigators point to cases in which robbers stormed makeshift marijuana labs in Miami-Dade County to steal from rival drug dealers, and gang members in Palm Beach County robbed and beat each other.
“The majority of victims have some association with their attackers,” said Sgt. George Grosso, with the Palm Beach County Violent Crimes division. “Most of our home invasions are drug-related — they know where they can get the drugs or the money.”
[Note, even cases that are reported as innocent nice suburbanites as above, later it is always revealed IME that they had some shady connections so there was an expectation of finding illicit goods or ill gotten cash]
Thank you.
 
Odds vs. Stakes.

It might not be high probability scenario, but four people were murdered in separate home invasions by a man who had once been their landscaper. He obtained the murder weapon, a 22 "kit" gun from the garden shed of the first two victims, an elderly husband and wife. He later murdered two more women with the same gun in two other home invasions. Although he took a few items of low value like an Apple watch and some trinkets like a belt buckle, burglary was not the suspected motive for the killings. https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...le-for-murder-of-elderly-reno-couple-2538040/

Another series of low-probability cases were the result of the East Area Rapist who then became the Golden State Killer. His victims weren't casualties of living in a bad neighborhood or running with gangs. There weren't any obvious reasons or associations that could have explained his victim selection, but he did identify his targets ahead of time and plan carefully. He even entered one of his victim's homes when it was unoccupied to unload a firearm they kept there before he attacked them entering the home a second time when they were home.

Think about that before you think you are secure because you have a gun somewhere around the house or depend on a stashed gun.

Personally, I don't carry a firearm because of fear or concern about home invasion or any other security risk. I carry one because I know intimately what it cost to secure for me the liberty to do so. For me to neglect that liberty would be an affront to my conscience. If carrying and the training I've undertaken provides any security for me or my family against the risks of criminal violence, it's a secondary benefit, but I wouldn't neglect to carry if I lived in Mr. Roger's Neighborhood with nobody but the Care Bears, Teletubbies, and Barney.
 
Dogs are easy to get around. Either throw 'em a treat or shoot 'em. Mean dogs never stopped LE from serving a warrant on a drug house. Dirt bags do the same too.

I guess every area is different? I live in the shadiest neighborhood of a small town. The people who keep a pit mix chained to their front porch or roaming behind a fence are not using resources to feed it because it's a pet. I'm a "dog person". Some of them are used to me and only bark "formally" if I pass by minding my own business. I still would not go in those yards. No one will. Those are not pets and they are not kidding. The German Shepherd behind us appears to be mentally ill. He's chained to a tree. Putting your hands where he could reach them would be no different than putting them in a wood chipper. Maybe it's different in different places. Here a porch dog and the 99% chance that the residence also has an inexpensive handgun or shotgun is enough to keep your house from being a likely target of being burgled. If you're incorrectly targeted for a home invasion because of a wrong address, you're out of luck regardless.

I was only joking, in that doubtless alarms and cameras have their place. I've just had large dogs for most of my life. Twice when I didn't, I got burglarized. When I've had a large dog, I haven't worried about having my house burgled when I'm running errands, or anyone bothering me with ill intent while I'm taking a walk. 100% success ratio.

I don't carry in the house, but when my dog makes certain kinds of barks I will make sure that a firearm is very close.

What has happened to a few friends and family members is that they were home sick in the daytime from school or work, burglars knocked on the door and got no answer, burglars entered through back door or window, surprising resident. Any kind of decent dog or decent alarm would give you enough time to arm yourself in that fairly common situation.

It really would be nerve-wracking to have no dog or alarm. I'd want something very close all of the time, then. :(
 
Don't think a day time break in in our area is on the top of a robbers list.

Kinda hate to tell you this, but daytime burglaries are, by far, the most common.

Your average burglar isn’t particularly violent. They just wanna grab stuff and run away. They have no desire to kick the door of an occupied dwelling. So, their work hours are the same as everyone else. 9-5. People off at work. Kids in school.

Most will knock or ring the bell first. If someone answers, they make up a stupid excuse and go elsewhere.

The real danger is the housewife, running the vacuum. In the shower etc. that doesn’t hear the knock. The kid who stayed home from school and is sick in bed.

Most burglars, when the encounter someone, run. Not all.

This changes the dynamics significantly.

Home invasions, when I was working, were generally pretty rare. Usually a dope house. Or, someone involved in other criminal activity involving large amounts of cash or product.

The one outlier were Asians. Particularly if they owned their own business. Certain segments of the Asian community, particularly recent immigrants, had a distrust of banks. Hence, they kept a lot of cash in the house. Invariably, the home invaders were also Asian.

Well, exactly what @shoobe01 said above. That I missed the first go around. His is based on statistics (nice job by the way) Mine is based on experience.
 
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Seems that folks living in the sticks far far away from all the bad guys believe the relative isolation inoculates then from harm.

Au Contraire Mon Frère!

With no one to see or hear for miles around, and the Sheriff cooling his heels in town at the doughnut shop, evil-doers can rape, torture, and pillage at their lesiure.

A very famous exemplar of this is the gruesome true story recounted by Capote in his book "In Cold Blood"
Yes. There are less crimes in Rural areas but when it happens. It really bad In my experience and help us always far away,
 
Accurate. It was very weird. I can laugh about it now. I finished a bead and flipped the hood up and she was just standing there like you would if you approach 2 people in a conversation and don't want to interrupt so you awkwardly stand there and wait for one of them to quit talking. Soon as I made eye contact she went right into realtor mode " Hi I'm Susy Smith and I'm selling the house next door!"
I was too dumbfounded to even chew her out for coming in.

Truth be told, I find welding to be a pretty vulnerable position though. Sure I have hot metal at my disposable but I also generally have ear plugs in, my face is covered and if I'm running stick or dual shield the gloves are entirely too big to operate a gun. She is probably lucky I didn't wing a 12 inch bessey F clamp at her though :D
I was thinking more of the damage she probably did to her eyes
 
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