Do you feel under gunned with a revolver?

[Steel Talon]

Do you feel under gunned with a revolver?

Not at all.. I grew up around revolvers.Shooting hunting competition,on the job carry and bug. I own several, my favorite caliber is the .41 magnum. I also have several pistols..

 

[BossHogg]

Since my 45 revolvers are to big and heavy for CCW ,I look at my Glock -36 as the next best thing. It's only 6+1 but I do love the 45's. I guess since it ain't hi-cap I can put it in with my revolvers. Second choice Model 60 S&W .357 with a three inch barrel.

 

[Deaf Smith]

That all depends on your SKILL level.

If you are a master shot, one that is fast and accurate at any range, any target size, well I have no doubt you are not undergunned.

But if you are a lousy shot that might not be the case.

I want you guys to remember that James Butler Hickok, AKA, Wild Bill, used a cap-n-ball .36 Navy for his whole life. Now alot better guns were made before his death, and alot more powerful ones, but he stuck with those old cap-n-balls.

But the question is, are you a Hickok?

Deaf

 

[psyshack]

I use to say " no I am not under gunned with a revolver ".

Now I know I am. I love my mag. revolvers. Fact is these new lazy youngins can't hit a lick at work. But it seems they eat bullets like Fruit Loops.

So it's looking like my 9mm's, revolvers will be range guns. 10mm and Para 14+1 45 acp's will be my new HD weapons. I'm not a Glock fan at all. But there two 10mm's are needed here. I will be changing my CCW to a compact 10mm. No more PF-9 or J-Frame for CCW.

 

[EVIL]

No need to get snippy with me. Whats wrong with getting other peoples opinions? What am I supposed to do, only start a thread when I need help? That would be boring. Funny you should mention teenage girl. I'm actually a teenage guy, and I've carried a .38 on several occasions when I know that I'm going into bad parts of town. I like to expect everyone to have guns, then I'm always careful.

Oh, don't be so serious - I'm just having a little fun...

I carried a handgun as a teenager too ... but I was active duty military.

But I do think it's [funny...disturbing?] how you proved your point by giving an example of how you broke federal law ... (even though it ismost likely an un-constitutional law)


But on the flip-side the must be 21 years old to own a handgun is anti-gunner garbage. If you can own a rifle - which is much more suitable in most situations why shouldn't you be able to own and carry a hand gun at the age of majority? - so I'm with you 100%.

I didn't say I don't love revolvers - because I do.


Man, I love THR ...

 

[bushmaster1313]

Sometimes I feel undercatted with a gun:

 

[kdave21]

Come on, folks, it's not a "hi cap" if it was designed with the capacity it was shipped/issued with.

Sorry, didnt mean to make such a major faux pax.

I just meant a "standard semi-auto" vs a "standard" revolver. 13 rounds is a "higher" capacity than six, that was the point. I cant say I care for having every post over analyzed, fortunately most people on these forums are not like that.

 

[Lucky Derby]

Oh, don't be so serious - I'm just having a little fun...

I carried a handgun as a teenager too ... but I was active duty military.

But I do think it's [funny...disturbing?] how you proved your point by giving an example of how you broke federal law ... (even though it ismost likely an un-constitutional law)


But on the flip-side the must be 21 years old to own a handgun is anti-gunner garbage. If you can own a rifle - which is much more suitable in most situations why shouldn't you be able to own and carry a hand gun at the age of majority? - so I'm with you 100%.

I didn't say I don't love revolvers - because I do.


Man, I love THR ...

There is no federal law about carrying a handgun at any age.
There is no federal law that says you can't own a handgun when you are under 21.
There is a federal law that says you can't legally purchase a handgun from an FFL until you are 21.
Your parents may legally give you a handgun when you are under 21.
You may legally purchase a handgun from a private party when you are under 21-assuming your state allows this.
I know I have read that some states will issue you a CCW at 18.
Heck CA will allow you to be a cop or an armed security guard at 18. Either of which would require that you carry a handgun.

 

[bushmaster1313]

Heck CA will allow you to be a cop or an armed security guard at 18. Either of which would require that you carry a handgun.

Do they need to get their parent's permission?

 

[mgmorden]

Do they need to get their parent's permission?

Funny thing - when I first started college I was still 17 for the first 3 months or so of classes. I joined the fencing club my first semester and was told I had to get a permission form signed by my parents so that I could participate. I was living on campus, in college 4.5 hours away from my parents. :S Let just say that particular signature wasn't genuine .

Anyways, as to the original question, I'm not much for worrying about being "undergunned". 6 shots is enough for me plain and simple, and my most often carried gun, though a semi-auto, is still only 6-shots (a Ruger LCP). Only thing keeping me from carrying a revolver is that all my revolvers are just too big to effectively conceal. I have carried my S&W while hunting and/or fishing though. It also typically is what I keep loaded at home (typically in my desk drawer).

I will say though that I do find it pretty disappointing how many people associate semi-autos with spray and pray. You can take your time and shoot either one. A revolver doesn't make your aim any more careful. As a matter of fact I'll say that in a tense situation my shots are far more likely to be on target with the semi-auto, as though I'm OK on a double-action trigger, I'm a lot better with DA/SA or straight up SA. Sometimes I wish that a modern company would revisit the concept of a semi-auto revolver like the Webley-Fosbery.

 

[Lucky Derby]

True, a revolver does not MAKE you aim more carefully. Nor are they necessarilly more accurate as defensive/combat weapons.

However having 15-20 rounds available before a reload does make SOME people less careful about where those rounds go.

Look at police shootings. It is appalling, to me anyway, the number of hits vs number of misses.

It would be interesting so see what those stats were back in the good ol' revolver days, vs the early S-A days vs now.

 

[woad_yurt]

Do you feel under gunned with a revolver?

Nope.

 

[FruitCake]

As most have stated law enforcement are better suited for semiauto but as a regular civilian I don't see you needing to have a high capacity or feeling undergunned with a revolver.
I honestly think people watch too much tv or think they live in war world.
For everyday regular carry I usually carry my 357 snub SP101 with 1 extra speed loader and feel very gunned.
I Will make every shot count whether its a semi auto or revolver.

 

[Kendal Black]

I think a revolver's plenty. If really apprehensive I might have a New York reload or, better yet, a shotgun.

 

[Manco]

That all depends on your SKILL level.

If you are a master shot, one that is fast and accurate at any range, any target size, well I have no doubt you are not undergunned.

But if you are a lousy shot that might not be the case.

I want you guys to remember that James Butler Hickok, AKA, Wild Bill, used a cap-n-ball .36 Navy for his whole life. Now alot better guns were made before his death, and alot more powerful ones, but he stuck with those old cap-n-balls.

But the question is, are you a Hickok?

If you asked Hickok himself, he'd ask you what your skill level is while in a fight (all pumped up on adrenaline and for most people scared silly). He made statements to that effect, anyway, as I recall reading somewhere, and it makes good sense to me whether he was actually the one who said it or not. One of the first guys he gunned down (an old friend of his who had become an enemy) was acknowledged as a more accurate shot than Hickok at that distance, and had bested Hickok at shooting competitions before. But when it really counted--life or death--he shot and missed, while Hickok obviously hit his mark (calm and cool in comparison, I suspect).

So how many of us actually know for a fact how well our skill level would hold up in a real fight? Only the minority who've been in one and lived to tell the tale. The rest of us may want to have a few extra rounds just in case (or not--whatever you're comfortable with).

 

[Deaf Smith]

What is more Manco,

Hickok always carried TWO revolvers!

Hint hint....

Even he perfered to have at least ten shots (the chambers under the hammers being empty.)

Deaf

 

[skidder]

Those silly autos, they have too many bells, whistles, buttons and knobs. Grab your 357 point and shoot. The bad guy ain't gonna wait till you cycle a round or fiddle with a lever, button, or knob, shooting your foot off, trying to find the safety. I'll take the revolver they're all the same, with no learning curve. Here's what's in my sock drawer.

 

[rich642z]

+ what Skidder said.

 

[Manco]

What is more Manco,

Hickok always carried TWO revolvers!

Hint hint....

Even he perfered to have at least ten shots (the chambers under the hammers being empty.)

Good point, I totally glossed over that rather pertinent historical fact. While the vast majority of people will not need more than five or six rounds (or less or even none, for that matter) in the vast majority of incidents, it doesn't hurt to carry as many extras as you can, provided that you're willing to do it. And while autoloaders have an advantage in reducing the odds of requiring a reload, a "New York" (or should we call it "Hickok") reload with revolvers is pretty effective if you don't mind carrying two of them. We should keep in mind that the title question of this thread can be read in two distinct ways: "Do you feel under gunned with a REVOLVER?" or "Do you feel under gunned with A revolver?"

Those silly autos, they have too many bells, whistles, buttons and knobs. Grab your 357 point and shoot.

That's what I do with my M&P40--just point and shoot. Reloads take fewer steps involving fewer doodads, too--press the mag release, shove in a fresh mag, tug back on the slide versus push the cylinder release, switch hands to hold open the cylinder, slap the ejector (maybe twice to make sure), insert the cartridges with a speedloader, release the cartridges (if that is a separate step, which depends on the speedloader), and close the cylinder while switching hands again (all of this can be done fast with practice and decent coordination, but there's lots more to manipulate).

 

[Deaf Smith]

Those silly autos, they have too many bells, whistles, buttons and knobs. Grab your 357 point and shoot. The bad guy ain't gonna wait till you cycle a round or fiddle with a lever, button, or knob, shooting your foot off, trying to find the safety. I'll take the revolver they're all the same, with no learning curve. Here's what's in my sock drawer.

Just wait till you have to reload that roscoe in the rain, mud, dark all while the BGs are firng at you.

As I've said many times here, if you pack a wheelgun, pack two!

And Manco,

Not only did Hickok, but John Wesly Hardin packed to also. In fact many of them did. Not necesaraly matched pairs but two wheelguns. And the NYPD encouraged their cops, when they had revolvers, to carry two.

Deaf

 

[skidder]

Manco-- all of this can be done fast with practice and decent coordination, but there's lots more to manipulate

True...more firepower, but without the first shot there will be no 6 or 7....Guaranteed. I think that autos are fine when trained with continuously, but not all have the resources, time and money, like most police officers get. For simplicity under life threatening moment (I pray happens to no one) will we remember which auto we are grabbing??? Those with lots of practice it will fit like a glove, but for the majority, I would recommend a DA revolver.

 

[Deaf Smith]

Hate to say it guys but police just don't use wheelguns for primary carry anymore.

Glocks and M&Ps and HKs and SIGs, as well as others, have just taken completly over.

Reliable? Get 1000 rounds and a service grade revolver. I bet a Glock 17, ANY Glock 1-3 gen, goes 100 percent but I won't bet a duty revolver like a M10 or M19 smith will.

Don't ever say a top tier revolver is more reliable than a modern top tier simi cause it ain't so, Joe.

Deaf

 

[pezo]

I practice using speed loaders in the dark and or when not looking down. I respect the pro's and cons of both the auto loader and revolver. I simply prefer for practical reasons to carry a revolver. 1-doesnt rely on bullet energy and design to function, variuos bullet desgns can be used. 2- lack of any mechanical safety, gun is at ready even in a relaxed spring condition. Seems safer to cary and bring into action. I totally understand all the advantages of the auto-loader but don't feel they outweigh what I like of the revolver for my uses. Also, earlier on I had tried to research any documented cases of officers who were "outgunned" while using the revolver during fire fight. I wound up finding more actual cases of the mechanical failure of the service auto loader and defects in training and or common sense even. I actually found at least 3 cases of the revolver being the only fully functional weapon in the encounter after the opponents weapon, an auto-loader failed. That didn't discourage me from auto-loaders as much as it reassured me the revolver is still very much a respectable self defense weapon as well as the auto-loader if you will. I feel that if god forbid I need to use deadly force, with my practice, I can squeeze off those 5 to 6 shots effectively and accurately enough to escape and save my life. If the good lord wills me to at least.

 

[Manco]

For simplicity under life threatening moment (I pray happens to no one) will we remember which auto we are grabbing??? Those with lots of practice it will fit like a glove, but for the majority, I would recommend a DA revolver.

Despite the point of view I've argued in this thread, I do tend to recommend revolvers to most people, particularly beginners of course. While autos are usually simple enough to shoot, their "care & feeding" can be a bit more involved for those who are not already experienced with them, particularly interested in guns per se, or mechanically inclined. In particular, the whole "round in the chamber" thing that is so obvious for most of us here can be surprisingly unintuitive for some folks, and I think that getting confused about the state of one's weapon can be dangerous (unless I've beaten the rules of safety into them personally ). And I know some people who can shoot just fine, but frankly are intimidated by the thought of having to partially disassemble their pistol for maintenance. Then there are issues like being able to rack the slide and such. It's easier and safer just to tell most people--depending on the individual--to get a revolver because in the vast majority of cases, it'll have enough rounds to do the job.

That said, despite being a revolver kind of guy (they appeal to me more) who owns more revolvers than autos and most often recommends revolvers to others as well, I still use an auto for personal defense. I suppose that says something, too. No, not that I'm a hypocrite , at least in this instance, but that for those who have no issues with handling them, I'm forced to admit that autos have compelling advantages for defensive use. I could also imagine carrying a revolver with confidence as well, though, so I'm not one to criticize anybody who does so. I just feel slightly better covered in terms of possibilities with more rounds at my disposal, that's all.

 

[PabloJ]

Yes, one is if they worry about such things....., but if bad guy has a gun it will not matter anyway. If one goes for their gun instead of the wallet it's pretty much good bye.