Do you find Sport Pistol to be dirty?

[CQB45ACP]

But you're loading the ACME bullet.......is that correct...?

Correct

Whole different conversation if you’re implying a coated cast bullet can’t be loaded the same as a non-coated of the same weight.

 

[CQB45ACP]

I can't wait until Ramshot and Accurate powders are back in regular circulation... I want to give some of them a try.



I'm not a big explorer when it comes to reloading... I work up a load with a specific powder, and once I find a good result, I just load that forevarrrr. I don't really have the time or wherewithal to test 10 different powders in .45ACP trying to find some magic mix. Being quite truthful, my shooting skill wouldn't be able to tell the difference... The BE/SP/W244 trial was about as adventurous as I get... I was actually trying to find a valid replacement to Unique. All these new powders are supposed to be better, and BE is ballyhoo'ed as being The New Unique, but I only found tears and disappointment.

I’m not an explorer either. But I have 8 different pistol powders (that I bought when I started loading September 2019) and must use them and that takes a while. My favorite for 45ACP happens to be Accurate #5, but I’m about 8 pounds away in my rotation from loading that again.

 

[gunzby]

Okay so what do I do with my 4 lbs of Sport Pistol?

I bought it expressly to use with coated bullets because I fell for the advertising.

I'd jump all over taking it off your hands. I like it better than TG. For some reason I haven't been able to find any locally.

 

[gunzby]

I haven't used SP in 45, but I have in the acme 9mm. Starting loads were very dirty, but once the charges went up the soot cleared up. The smoke is most likely the coating burning

 

[CQB45ACP]

I have used SP in 45, but I have in the acme 9mm. Starting loads were very dirty, but once the charges went up the soot cleared up. The smoke is most likely the coating burning

Excellent, thanks.

 

[lordpaxman]

In my experience SP doesn’t burn hot enough to burn the coating, in 9mm. I’ve recovered blue and bayou bullets and the bases appear to be the same as the rest of the bullet. Titegroup burns hotter but even then the bases appear scorched like the cases but no visible erosion or lead exposed. I wouldn’t expect .45 to be that much different.

 

[CQB45ACP]

In my experience SP doesn’t burn hot enough to burn the coating, in 9mm. I’ve recovered blue and bayou bullets and the bases appear to be the same as the rest of the bullet. Titegroup burns hotter but even then the bases appear scorched like the cases but no visible erosion or lead exposed. I wouldn’t expect .45 to be that much different.

Thanks that’s very valuable.

 

[TransAmConvert]

Correct

Whole different conversation if you’re implying a coated cast bullet can’t be loaded the same as a non-coated of the same weight.

Read the manual carefully. Often, Speer numbers for lead are for their bullets, which are swaged lead. They're generally low for that reason, to not push the soft bullets too hard. Cast can and should be pushed harder.

 

[CQB45ACP]

Read the manual carefully. Often, Speer numbers for lead are for their bullets, which are swaged lead. They're generally low for that reason, to not push the soft bullets too hard. Cast can and should be pushed harder.

I’ll do that thanks

Here’s what their load data says…bullet=part #4691 and a description of the bullet.

Product Overview
Speer® cold-formed lead bullets are even better than ever with a technologically advanced, multi-layer lube. The coating won’t burn off, virtually eliminating leading problems and ensuring cleaner, more accurate shooting.

Cold-formed lead
Multi-layer lube system won't burn off or melt in storage
Clean and dry to the touch
Drastic reduction in barrel leading
500-count bulk packs
SPECS
Caliber .452
Bullet Weight 230
Bullet Style Lead Round Nose
Ballistic Coefficient .160
Bullet Length In 0.650in. / 16.51mm
Sectional Density 0.161
Diameter In 0.45
Diameter Mm 11.48
Package Quantity 500
Usage Target Shooting

I haven’t a clue what some of that means, but again, in the future will use higher load.

 

[Soonerpesek]

Whole different conversation if you’re implying a coated cast bullet can’t be loaded the same as a non-coated of the same weight.

I am not trying to question anything about how YOU want to load.
I guess I am wondering......

1) If you are using an ACME bullet
2) you are using Alliant powder
3) Alliant has published data for the ACME bullet

Why are you using data for the Speer bullet....?

 

[CQB45ACP]

I am not trying to question anything about how YOU want to load.
I guess I am wondering......

1) If you are using an ACME bullet
2) you are using Alliant powder
3) Alliant has published data for the ACME bullet

Why are you using data for the Speer bullet....?

Fair question

1. I shoot 3 govt models/3 different brands. They each are unique but are fairly common in that they consistently like a shorter OAL than what Alliant publishes.
2. I use a variety of 230gr RN bullets including Speer and Acme and on and on—They all like the load and I sure do also.
3. I have used the Alliant data for a thousand rounds or so but also have used the Speer data for about the same. Lower end as well as higher end of load range and in between.
4. To the extent “dirty” is a problem (and to me it is only a distraction but that’s enough), this is the only problem I’ve encountered.

Thanks for engaging

 

[Soonerpesek]

Thanks for engaging

Thanks for the answer.

 

[Charlie98]

3. I have used the Alliant data for a thousand rounds or so but also have used the Speer data for about the same.

Two of my favorite things on my bench are Alliant (I still call them Hercules...) powders, and my Speer manual. I've been using those two since Day One. I think Speer's data is more comprehensive than Alliant's data, which if you are tying to use their online data, can be frustrating. Whoever designed that portion of their website should be fired.