Do You Go Places You Can't Carry?

[Howland937]

I was exiting a court house one day and I watched a man walk right in through the exit door as someone else was walking out. He completely bypassed the metal detectors and nobody else noticed, including the uniformed deputies at the metal detector station. It was impressive. I didn't say anything to anyone. Maybe I should have.

Nobody likes tattle-tales, but in that situation I probably would have brought it to someone's attention. I did witness a group walk through the un-manned security gate at an amusement park. Bunch of teenagers jumped over the gate and skipped the line. After attention was called to it by numerous bystanders, they were escorted off the property.

Those situations where people intentionally attempt to bypass security definitely make me wonder why. I also now changed "as" to "IF" in the sentence you quoted.

 

[TarDevil]

Back to the OP's question:

Yes, I certainly do. My guns will not rule my life.

Some of the posts in this thread exemplify the adage "We are our own worst enemy."

 

[redcon1]

Yes, I certainly do. My guns will not rule my life. Some of the posts in this thread exemplify the adage "We are our own worst enemy."

I was thinking the same thing. I see a lot of allegedly pro-2A people on this pro-2A forum belittling and diminishing other pro-2A people with sardonic remarks for choosing to vigorously exercise the right to keep and bear arms that we have fought long and hard to restore and preserve.

 

[Styx]

I was exiting a court house one day and I watched a man walk right in through the exit door as someone else was walking out. He completely bypassed the metal detectors and nobody else noticed, including the uniformed deputies at the metal detector station. It was impressive. I didn't say anything to anyone. Maybe I should have.

I use to EDC a small CRKT neck knife. I completely forgot it was on my neck until I was leaving the court house. I walked right through the metal detector, but it never even went off.

 

[JeffG]

I was exiting a court house one day and I watched a man walk right in through the exit door as someone else was walking out. He completely bypassed the metal detectors and nobody else noticed, including the uniformed deputies at the metal detector station. It was impressive. I didn't say anything to anyone. Maybe I should have.

Not your monkey, not your circus. Maybe he had prior upper level clearance.

 

[redcon1]

I use to EDC a small CRKT neck knife. I completely forgot it was on my neck until I was leaving the court house. I walked right through the metal detector, but it never even went off.

I went through one recently and managed to set it off which of course freaked me out as I, for a brief instant, thought I had forgotten to remove my firearm or a magazine or a knife or something along those lines. They ended up having me turn out my pockets and wanding me and the wand was picking something up too and so by now my heart rate was starting to elevate and then one of them was like "oh, it's your sun glasses", which were pushed up on top of my head. That's my other metal detector story.

 

[redcon1]

Not your monkey, not your circus. Maybe he had prior upper level clearance.

Yeah. There was nothing about it on the local news so I guess it all turned out all right but I just thought it was interesting that this individual had circumvented their entire security apparatus simply by casually walking in through the out door. Maybe he was authorized. Maybe it was a breach of security.

 

[Styx]

I was thinking the same thing. I see a lot of allegedly pro-2A people on this pro-2A forum belittling and diminishing other pro-2A people with sardonic remarks for choosing to vigorously exercise the right to keep and bear arms that we have fought long and hard to restore and preserve.

They may beleive that, in their opinions, it's a little extreme to allow it to affect your of life.

I can support other's right to do something while still having the opinion that they are going to the extreme. For example, I have seen members on another for claim they EDC 2 fullsized* guns, 3 or 4 spare magazines, a knife, pepper spray, and keep a spare pistol and a rifle with several spare loaded 30 round magazines in their trunk (I am not making this up). I think they are going to the extreme and it's a bit ridiculous, but that does not mean I am against them exercising their right to do so. I am still pro 2A.

 

[Styx]

Yeah. There was nothing about it on the local news so I guess it all turned out all right but I just thought it was interesting that this individual had circumvented their entire security apparatus simply by casually walking in through the out door. Maybe he was authorized. Maybe it was a breach of security.

In the court house in my state, lawyers and clerks do not have to go through the medal detectors... Well they do walk right through them and it go off, but they aren't checked. Everyone else has to leave electronics in the car including smart watches, and we even have to take off our belts and jewelry.

Might have been someone who worked there.

 

[tactikel]

Yes, but I’m always armed with a compliant weapon or two. Be creative. Always Sabre Red, a straight grain hickory cane. I always carry a knife of maximum legal blade length. In a park (National, State, County) a tactical tomahawk would elicit almost no notice.

 

[redcon1]

They may beleive that, in their opinions, it's a little extreme to allow it to affect your of life.

I can support other's right to do something while still having the opinion that they are going to the extreme. For example, I have seen members on another for claim they EDC 2 fullsized* guns, 3 or 4 spare magazines, a knife, pepper spray, and keep a spare pistol and a rifle with several spare loaded 30 round magazines in their trunk (I am not making this up). I think they are going to the extreme and it's a bit ridiculous, but that does not mean I am against them exercising their right to do so. I am still pro 2A.

Well, at this point, I feel like we're all in a bit of a shoving match with anti-2A forces and that requires all of us to pretty forcefully shove back and exercise this right and, as much as I'd love to not be in this shoving match, I accept that I am and I therefore vigorously push back. I support, protect, defend, exercise, etc my and your second amendment rights and I consider us all compatriots in this struggle and so it dismays me to observe people gaslighting others for doing something that strengthens 2A rights for all of us.
So, if I choose not to go some place because they don't allow the free exercise of our second amendment rights, it's a matter of principle, not a matter of allowing my firearms to dominate my life. In my hometown, when lawful CC started taking off, numerous restaurants put up signage prohibiting the carrying of firearms. We would enter and leave a card that explains to them why they will no longer be receiving our business. Guess what happened? The signs came down. Because we pushed back.
But if we're talking about court houses and things like that that just can not be avoided, of course I comply. I certainly don't look for opportunities to visit a court house however and I certainly avoid non-mandatory metal detectors as well to the extent possible but I choose my battles carefully and do not pretend to be 100% compliant with this. If there's a band I want to see and I know carry is prohibited at the venue, I comply. It's not about fear, it's just a matter of remaining principled in this contest.
and btw, I'd love to carry a loaded rifle and spare mags in my vehicle locked up in a roof mounted compartment. Why not? Because it's illegal in Ohio... so I don't. That's another topic though I suppose.

 

[bearcreek]

I am sure that on some occasion, someone has entered a post office in Idaho and, by chance, gotten by with it. I also know that if a postal inspector or other Federal Agent should become aware that that practice, or the breaking of some other important Postal Service regulations, has been knowingly permitted by the staff, there would be an investigation followed by serious consequences involving discipline and possible termination. That's the way the Government works.

Let's hope that your post does not result in an investigation.

Yes, I hope not as well. That's an interesting point you bring up. Do postal service employees have any legal obligation to do anything about such a violation? If so, what?

As a side note, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that being an "important" Postal Service regulation. I think it's a useless one.

 

[TomJ]

My youngest son loves basketball, especially Giannis and the Milwaukee Bucks. I take him to a couple of games each year and can't carry, especially since we need to walk through metal detectors to enter the stadium. I don't like it, but won't tell him we're not going because of this.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

Yes I do. I refuse to stop doing things I enjoy because I can't carry a gun.
I love to go to college football games. We love to travel and we don't love to drive, so we are going through various airports a couple times a year.

If someone else doesn't want to go there because of not being able to carry, well I respect that. Freedom and all that.

 

[Kleanbore]

Do postal service employees have any legal obligation to do anything about such a violation? If so, what?

Legal? It's par to their job.

As a side note, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that being an "important" Postal Service regulation. I think it's a useless one.

That is not for us to decide.

 

[GravelRider]

I LOVE traveling! Whether it be overseas, into Canada, throughout the US in our RV, you name it, I love going there. Besides my family, of course, my life's passions are traveling, motorcycles, and guns (not in that particular order). I won't give up traveling because I can't take a gun to a particular location. Would I rather be able to take my gun with me? Of course! But, I won't let a fear of life get in the way of living it. I'm okay with giving up a potential mode of self defense for enjoyment (as long as I make the decision to, not the government making that decision for me, just to be clear).

To those who choose not to go places they can't carry, I 100% understand it and respect your decision to. We've all got our own lives to live how we see fit. There aren't many people's lives I'd voluntarily swap with, because I've made the choices that make the most sense to me... As I assume most of you have done as well.

Cheers!

 

[Rubone]

Not your monkey, not your circus. Maybe he had prior upper level clearance.

I call BS, If he had upper level clearance he would just waltz through the front doors, or have a key card for special access.

 

[bearcreek]

Legal? It's par to their job.

What is part of their job, exactly? What are they legally obligated to do about it?

That is not for us to decide.

Obviously we can't decide what the regulation is. We can decide what our opinion about it is though. You called that regulation "important". I called it "useless". Both of those are opinions.

 

[Kleanbore]

What is part of their job, exactly? What are they legally obligated to do about it?

Come on, now! If they enter into employment, they agree to abide by the rules.

Tha'ts true for everyone who take a job.

We can decide what our opinion about it is though.

Irrelevant.

 

[Styx]

Well, at this point, I feel like we're all in a bit of a shoving match with anti-2A forces and that requires all of us to pretty forcefully shove back and exercise this right and, as much as I'd love to not be in this shoving match, I accept that I am and I therefore vigorously push back. I support, protect, defend, exercise, etc my and your second amendment rights and I consider us all compatriots in this struggle and so it dismays me to observe people gaslighting others for doing something that strengthens 2A rights for all of us.
So, if I choose not to go some place because they don't allow the free exercise of our second amendment rights, it's a matter of principle, not a matter of allowing my firearms to dominate my life. In my hometown, when lawful CC started taking off, numerous restaurants put up signage prohibiting the carrying of firearms. We would enter and leave a card that explains to them why they will no longer be receiving our business. Guess what happened? The signs came down. Because we pushed back.
But if we're talking about court houses and things like that that just can not be avoided, of course I comply. I certainly don't look for opportunities to visit a court house however and I certainly avoid non-mandatory metal detectors as well to the extent possible but I choose my battles carefully and do not pretend to be 100% compliant with this. If there's a band I want to see and I know carry is prohibited at the venue, I comply. It's not about fear, it's just a matter of remaining principled in this contest.
and btw, I'd love to carry a loaded rifle and spare mags in my vehicle locked up in a roof mounted compartment. Why not? Because it's illegal in Ohio... so I don't. That's another topic though I suppose.

I don't think it's gaslighting. Well we all can still support 2A and respectfully agree or disagree on open carry vs conceal carry or what we personally agree or disagree is excessive or not. I mean, that's what forums are for, e.i., to share differences of opinions and point of views.

I EDC a revolver, and I get push back from those who think that's not enough in their opinion when the topic arises. I don't see them as gaslighting or being anti 2A because of it. The topic now just so happens to be about whether we would to places where we carry or not. We are just sharing our opinions and giving our personal perspective on other's point of views.

@bearcreek Just give him the last word...

Back on topic, I plan on moving away from the U.S. for good. I own and have been holding an embarrassing number of firearms. It's going to brake my heart and it's going to be hard to let them go, but I will be selling almost all of them off before I go live in a country that doesn't allow me to carry... I guess that answer the question in the OP.

Sell off 98% of all of what I own is my goal.

 

[Styx]

My youngest son loves basketball, especially Giannis and the Milwaukee Bucks. I take him to a couple of games each year and can't carry, especially since we need to walk through metal detectors to enter the stadium. I don't like it, but won't tell him we're not going because of this.

Take him to some Golden State games

 

[redcon1]

I don't think it's gaslighting.

I think it is when there's a none too subtle insinuation that someone is "afraid' or somehow mentally unhinged because they exercise their 2A rights more vigorously than they're comfortable with.

that's what forums are for, e.i., to share differences of opinions and point of views.

and that's all I'm doing.

I EDC a revolver, and I get push back from those who think that's not enough in their opinion when the topic arises.

Well, maybe there's at least a little truth in their opinion. Maybe pride makes that truth taste a little bitter. I don't know. I have carried a revolver from time to time and I wouldn't be inclined to get rid of my 340PD because I recognize the beauty of its simplicity and I understand that it's the perfect tool for some jobs but I also understand that a high cap 9mm and an extra magazine is a better tool for most SD jobs and it's not too much more difficult for me to carry a Glock 19x and an extra magazine than that j frame so I opt to carry the bigger gun because I would much rather have that in my hand than the j frame if I ever ended up in an actual gun fight. More gun is better on the two way shooting range. I think that's just reality and logical and not at all a matter of fear or nuttiness.

The topic now just so happens to be about whether we would to places where we carry or not. We are just sharing our opinions and giving our personal perspective on other's point of views.

I thought that's what I was doing as well. I choose to carry a gun and to go places where I am allowed to carry a gun. I object to the implication that I am some kind of a coward because of it. I'd guess that the vast majority of THR members carry a gun at least sometimes. Are they all cowards? Are they only cowards when they carry? That's the kind of thing that sounds like some anti-2A gaslighting to me.

And if I'm being honest (and I am), I'm not comfortable being unarmed/disarmed anywhere but especially not in the city I live in presently. It isn't cowardice. It's reasonableness. Aside from the principle of it, I also carry a gun because this city is dangerous.

When I travel cross country, my route is specifically planned out according to the states that honor my permit. I'll happily drive out of my way to avoid any anti-2A states. Again, it isn't fear. It's principle. There isn't one thing in Illinois, New York or Massachusetts that I need to see so bad that I'd leave my guns at home to go see it. and if there is, I've probably already seen it and got the T-shirt anyways.

 

[bearcreek]

Come on, now! If they enter into employment, they agree to abide by the rules.

Tha'ts true for everyone who take a job.

Are you serious? I thought it was quite clear that I was talking about customers carrying, not the postal service employees.

 

[old lady new shooter]

I don't think it's gaslighting. Well we all can still support 2A and respectfully agree or disagree on open carry vs conceal carry or what we personally agree or disagree is excessive or not. I mean, that's what forums are for, e.i., to share differences of opinions and point of views.

I EDC a revolver, and I get push back from those who think that's not enough in their opinion when the topic arises. I don't see them as gaslighting or being anti 2A because of it. The topic now just so happens to be about whether we would to places where we carry or not. We are just sharing our opinions and giving our personal perspective on other's point of views.

@bearcreek Just give him the last word...

Back on topic, I plan on moving away from the U.S. for good. I own and have been holding an embarrassing number of firearms. It's going to brake my heart and it's going to be hard to let them go, but I will be selling almost all of them off before I go live in a country that doesn't allow me to carry... I guess that answer the question in the OP.

Wow, you're really moving to a country that prohibits firearms ownership?

 

[Styx]

I think it is when there's a none too subtle insinuation that someone is "afraid' or somehow mentally unhinged because they exercise their 2A rights more vigorously than they're comfortable with.

and that's all I'm doing.

Well, maybe there's at least a little truth in their opinion. Maybe pride makes that truth taste a little bitter. I don't know. I have carried a revolver from time to time and I wouldn't be inclined to get rid of my 340PD because I recognize the beauty of its simplicity and I understand that it's the perfect tool for some jobs but I also understand that a high cap 9mm and an extra magazine is a better tool for most SD jobs and it's not too much more difficult for me to carry a Glock 19x and an extra magazine than that j frame so I opt to carry the bigger gun because I would much rather have that in my hand than the j frame if I ever ended up in an actual gun fight. More gun is better on the two way shooting range. I think that's just reality and logical and not at all a matter of fear or nuttiness.

I thought that's what I was doing as well. I choose to carry a gun and to go places where I am allowed to carry a gun. I object to the implication that I am some kind of a coward because of it. I'd guess that the vast majority of THR members carry a gun at least sometimes. Are they all cowards? Are they only cowards when they carry? That's the kind of thing that sounds like some anti-2A gaslighting to me.

And if I'm being honest (and I am), I'm not comfortable being unarmed/disarmed anywhere but especially not in the city I live in presently. It isn't cowardice. It's reasonableness. Aside from the principle of it, I also carry a gun because this city is dangerous.

When I travel cross country, my route is specifically planned out according to the states that honor my permit. I'll happily drive out of my way to avoid any anti-2A states. Again, it isn't fear. It's principle. There isn't one thing in Illinois, New York or Massachusetts that I need to see so bad that I'd leave my guns at home to go see it. and if there is, I've probably already seen it and got the T-shirt anyways.

I didn't see or might have missed whoever stated you were a coward. If they said that, I disagree. With that said, I don't feel comfortable going unarmed either, but on the same token, I am not overly obsessed with the extremely small probability that I will be killed if I I don't have a gun on me for even 15 minutes out of a day. I can't speak for anyone else, but myself. I think some people are overly obsessed and paranoid with it all. While that's my opinion, I am NOT against free will to to what you want even if it's not for me. It's your right not to patronize establishments that do not allow you to carry, and their rights to not allow you to carry on the property they own trumps our rights. No one's rights are being violated, so I have no issues with it.