Does a .45 always mean a 1911 to you?
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huntsman
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me tooNo, not to me. I've "been there done that" with the 1911 courtesy of Uncle Sugar.
Once was enough.
.45 means S&W 3rd generation pistols, to me.TJ
I owned 3 .45's-
1) Sig P220 still own
2) SA XD45 still own
3) Kimber Eclipse II target sold
They are all great guns, but I needed some money and the Kimber was the easiest to part with.
So my answer is the 1911 isn't my first choice of today's .45's.
1) Sig P220 still own
2) SA XD45 still own
3) Kimber Eclipse II target sold
They are all great guns, but I needed some money and the Kimber was the easiest to part with.
So my answer is the 1911 isn't my first choice of today's .45's.
LeonCarr
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I like the .45 ACP in anything EXCEPT a 1911.
Do a search for LeonCarr and 1911, and read away.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
Do a search for LeonCarr and 1911, and read away
.Just my .02,
LeonCarr
Waywatcher
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The first thing that comes to mind is a 45 SAA 1873, then a 1911.
Bill.45
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Yes, it sure does! I've been collecting the WWI1911 and WWII 1911A1 for 20+ years. They are way to expensive today to shoot, that is the old ones. Most of those you find are "Bubba's garage" guns.
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hexidismal
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For me, not at all. Various other quality .45 acp guns come to mind. Actually, among folks I know these days, when someone says they got/want a .45 I normally assume it is going to be a Glock or an XD. I have one 1911, and 3 other non-1911 pistols in 'ol four five.
I used to think they were talking about a Sig 220...because I worked for a Sig department...now I usually think in terms of a HK45 or S&W M&P45, unless we're talking about small guns, then I think Kahr CW45.
Most folks I know will say "I got a new 1911" when that is what they are talking about or they'll call out the name if it is a higher end model like "I got an Ed Brown" or "I got a Les Baer"
Most folks I know will say "I got a new 1911" when that is what they are talking about or they'll call out the name if it is a higher end model like "I got an Ed Brown" or "I got a Les Baer"
Arkansas Paul
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That aint old fashioned. I've barely turned 30 and that's what I think too. When I hear .45, I think of guns like these.
Onward Allusion
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I used to think .45 ACP = 1911 but these days there are a lot more options. So, no - I don't think 1911 when I hear of .45 ACP. While the 1911 is great fun at the range, I personally would take a Glock 21 for SD/HD if I had to chamber in .45ACP.
Zerodefect
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Yes, yes it deos:
It's the only fullsize .45 thin enough for CCW. It's the only pistol that can use a lightweight accurate trigger and still be perfectly safe. Truely a high end weapon.
Still to this day there is nothing quite like it. But I wish there was a pitol that was 1911 like, double stack, linkless modern barrel, no grip safety, hammerless/striker fired possibly and single action only. But that'll never happen.
The G21 and XD are too fat. I love shooting the G21, and would love to have a long slide version for IDPA, but no such creature exists.
The more experienced I become, the more I'm able to do with this platform. Took me a while to get used to the 1911 grip.
It's the only fullsize .45 thin enough for CCW. It's the only pistol that can use a lightweight accurate trigger and still be perfectly safe. Truely a high end weapon.
Still to this day there is nothing quite like it. But I wish there was a pitol that was 1911 like, double stack, linkless modern barrel, no grip safety, hammerless/striker fired possibly and single action only. But that'll never happen.
The G21 and XD are too fat. I love shooting the G21, and would love to have a long slide version for IDPA, but no such creature exists.
The more experienced I become, the more I'm able to do with this platform. Took me a while to get used to the 1911 grip.
I tend to agree with that, My PT1911 prints less than my XD SC .40 but its not as comfortable when less clothing is a concern.
Id like a smaller 1911 but the cost is wa up their for a higher quality one like a Colt.
But that has me thinking about the Kahr's CW and PM in .45
The CW would be an easier choice since its about $400, But the PM45 at $700 +- a few bucks makes me want to just go full out with the Colt New Agent.
But on full sized guns no one makes an easier to conceal gun than a 1911. If people could just teach machines to cut rounded angles instead of blocks i think it could be done.
The S&W 3rd gen is pretty close tho, They really need to consider bring a few models back like the Chiefs Special and the Lady Smith auto and its male counterpart.
Someone mentioned the 1911 needs more attention and service than most other new generation of polymer guns, Id have to say i agree when you talking about the guns that aren't the highest end stuff that cost $2500-$3000 as they are made to withstand punishment without all the extra care. But it would be stupid not to do that just because you can.
Many 1911's have went to cheaper parts inside and out to keep costs down to compete with the other .45's out there.
But i also feel you grow an attachment to a 1911 due to this and ll your sweat and time fine tuning and adjusting the gun when its needed. If done right its just as reliable as any Glock or XD.
Anyhow if i was looking for a full sized .45 a 1911 is the easy choice imo.
But in a small 3" gun im finding it hard to side with the 1911.
A few other small .45's were mentioned so ill be going back and looking into them more.
PX15
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Nope.
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Joe Demko
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When I hear ".45" I tend to immediately picture a S&W 4566. Wish I still had mine.,
LiveLife
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4.5" M&P45 with a crisp trigger job may come close. Feeds SWC like butter on hot pan. Mine even comes with frame mounted ambi-trigger safety (no grip safety).
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DasFriek
I have a PM45, as far as reliability it had a FTF ("3-point jam") on round #39. Other than that it has ran 100% for me. When I first got it, it had the same FTF every time (and I mean every time) my wife shot it until about the round count got to be in 350-400 range, since then it has been 100% reliable with every shot fired. The round count is now around the 1,200 mark. It has never shown any sign of problems with JHP's. Come to think of it every problem it has ever had was with a WWB.
I will also say all of the problems I have heard of with a PM45 come form a problem now commonly called "the notch." The PM9's have a notch in the inside of the slide between the holes for the hole barrel and the hole for the guide rod. The PM45's do not come with that notch machined out so it will wear in from the guide rod lightly hitting the slide where the notch should be. If it has problems past the recommended 200 round break-in KAHR will machine the notch in and all troubles will be solved. They may have began to machine the notch in in the newer models, I don't know.
After reading what I just wrote I realized I make it sound worse than it really is. This is a very, very tight pistol it will need some break-in, even if it functions fine. You can just feel it getting smoother and smoother as you shoot it more. So the end product is a very tight, very smooth pistol. It is really a gun that that has the look and feel of unusually high quality. Once you either wear in or have KAHR machine in the notch it will be 100% reliable.
I will also say it is more accurate than most full sized auto's. It does get a little hard to shoot because of the small grip and the long hard trigger, which is good for a DA striker fired pistol. I pocket carry mine everyday. It is by far my favorite carry gun. I highly recommend them to anyone looking for a compact 45.
I paid $630.00 for mine w/o night sights. I think they have gone up a bit since I bought mine. If you have anymore questions feel free to ask.
Hears a pic of my beauty.
I have a PM45, as far as reliability it had a FTF ("3-point jam") on round #39. Other than that it has ran 100% for me. When I first got it, it had the same FTF every time (and I mean every time) my wife shot it until about the round count got to be in 350-400 range, since then it has been 100% reliable with every shot fired. The round count is now around the 1,200 mark. It has never shown any sign of problems with JHP's. Come to think of it every problem it has ever had was with a WWB.
I will also say all of the problems I have heard of with a PM45 come form a problem now commonly called "the notch." The PM9's have a notch in the inside of the slide between the holes for the hole barrel and the hole for the guide rod. The PM45's do not come with that notch machined out so it will wear in from the guide rod lightly hitting the slide where the notch should be. If it has problems past the recommended 200 round break-in KAHR will machine the notch in and all troubles will be solved. They may have began to machine the notch in in the newer models, I don't know.
After reading what I just wrote I realized I make it sound worse than it really is. This is a very, very tight pistol it will need some break-in, even if it functions fine. You can just feel it getting smoother and smoother as you shoot it more. So the end product is a very tight, very smooth pistol. It is really a gun that that has the look and feel of unusually high quality. Once you either wear in or have KAHR machine in the notch it will be 100% reliable.
I will also say it is more accurate than most full sized auto's. It does get a little hard to shoot because of the small grip and the long hard trigger, which is good for a DA striker fired pistol. I pocket carry mine everyday. It is by far my favorite carry gun. I highly recommend them to anyone looking for a compact 45.
I paid $630.00 for mine w/o night sights. I think they have gone up a bit since I bought mine. If you have anymore questions feel free to ask.
Hears a pic of my beauty.
Beagle-zebub
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Bad experience?
EDIT: with the gun?
smartshooter.45
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water-man said:
agreed. my collection favorite is a CBOB with Esmeralda grips but my P220 will always be my nightstand pistol.
Jim Watson
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My P220 is a nightstand pistol, too. And that is about where it stops, except for occasional practice. I figure the crunch-tick is a safety factor while I might be juggling glasses, gun, and flashlight under stress. The Gov't Model does most of the match shooting and the Commander is about my maximum holster gun.
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