Dog may have fired shot that killed hunter

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Dog may have fired shot that killed hunter
Paw apparently hit shotgun's trigger, says TWRA official

By ANNE PAINE
and COLBY SLEDGE
Staff Writers

A duck hunter killed Thursday night may have lost his life after his dog stepped on a shotgun in a boat on the Cumberland River, a state wildlife official said yesterday.

Lawn-care service owner Thomas A. St. Charles III, 28, of Carriage Drive, Bellevue, died at Vanderbilt University Medical Center after being wounded on a west Nashville river inlet.He had gotten out of a boat late Thursday afternoon to pick up decoys at the end of the hunt, said Cape Taylor, Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency law enforcement supervisor for Davidson and several other counties.

His hunting companion, Harold C. Hamm II, 28, of Bellevue Road, had remained in the boat, where St. Charles' shotgun lay on the floor.

"The dog apparently jumped back there and hit the trigger of the gun," Taylor said.

Either the safety lock had not been on or the dog knocked the safety button, depending on the type of shotgun, and released it, he said.

The shotgun fired and blew a hole through the side of the boat, striking St. Charles in the lower abdomen, Taylor said.

Detectives probe shooting

Metro police's statement yesterday stated that detectives are "working to determine" why the gun went off and that detectives said "a hunting dog may have been in the boat when the gun went off."

Hamm told detectives he had remained in the boat to bag decoys, the police press release said. Hamm said he had his back turned to his friend when the gun fired and wondered why the gun discharged, Taylor said. Then, St. Charles called out to Hamm.

"He said, 'Call 911. I've been hit,' " Taylor said, repeating information from the TWRA agent on the case.

Taylor said Hamm told authorities he thought the dog could have stepped on the gun, causing it to fire.

Hamm could not be reached last night for comment. Family members said St. Charles' beloved dog is a retriever named Sadie.

The men had started their outing earlier that day, putting the boat in the Cumberland at the Cleese's Ferry boat ramp and going downriver. The 911 call was made about 5:50 p.m. Thursday. Emergency personnel reached the men by driving on River Road to the inlet.

Hunting death is second

The men had complied with hunting regulations, except that Hamm did not have a current hunter education certification. St. Charles did have the certification.

Hunters are advised to unload firearms as soon as they are through for the day, Taylor said. Hamm's shotgun was unloaded and in a case.

Keith Milby, a Goodlettsville dog trainer, said canines should always be under control.

"That dog should have been still," Milby said. "He shouldn't be allowed to be moving — jumping around in that boat. People don't allow other people to jump around in a boat."

The incident is the second death this month in a Midstate hunting accident. The other was a deer hunter who was mistakenly shot by his brother outside White House. Neither of the men was wearing the blaze orange gear required for deer hunting.

Those injured or killed in hunting accidents are typically part of the same hunting party, Taylor said. Misidentifying a target, as happened earlier this month, or carelessness with a gun, as it appears in this case, are the usual causes, Taylor said.
 
That's too bad. I don't care if the safety is on or not, I'm not going to have a loaded gun pointed in my direction even if nobody is near it. Don't tempt fate.

Neither of the men was wearing the blaze orange gear required for deer hunting.
Is blaze orange gear required in that state? It's certainly a good idea if you are hunting on public land but I've never heard of it being required.
 
Sorry to hear about that happening. Unfortunately thats one tragedy that could have been avoided.



Hunters are advised to unload firearms as soon as they are through for the day, Taylor said. Hamm's shotgun was unloaded and in a case.
 
Happened in CO years back when a hunter finished bird hunting. He put the gun [ STILL LOADED] in the back of his station wagon ,and the dogs. As he drove along the dogs stepped on the gun, hunter died !!
 
Accident

My condolences to the family. I did not know the man, but I did meet his father once. (His father owns a business which I have patronized.)
 
Reminds me of a news story from too many years ago. It was during turkey season. The hunter was posing for the camera with dead bird and shotgun. The turkey had one last twitch left. The shotgun had at least one more round.

At least the bird went to turkey Valhalla, praised in song and story :rolleyes:
 
Man, it seems like this happens every year. I'm starting to wonder about that whole "Man's best Friend" thing now.....
I've heard this being done by dogs, cats, a snake, and even a moose!
 
Rules 1-4

Well, the gun was certianly loaded. Probably should have taken care of that.

Laid in the bottom of the boat? No control over where it's pointing.

"Finger" off the trigger. Alternatively, protect the trigger so nobody else's "finger" can touch the trigger.

Be certain of your target and what's behind it . . .

I guess one of the corollaries of rules 2 & 4 is DON'T STAND IN FRONT OF YOUR GUN.
 
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2-3 years ago a guy was gonna kill his wifes dog(mad at wife) hit 30 pound dog with butt of rifle gun discharged dog lived guy didn't wasn't as sad as this case
 
I am sure it would be shocking to see how many dogs have killed or injured humans this way. There was a similar incident near here while goose hunting this year (injury only, fortunately).

The dog trainer has nothing to add. Yes, all dogs should be well-behaved and under control, but the best dog messes up on occasion.

Very sad. And the buddy is going to do a lot of thinking about how easily it could have been him.
 
I believe blaze orange vests are only required for big game and in some places upland game hunting. I've hunted waterfowl in a lot of different states and it was never a requirement, camouflage and concealment was. If you got some knot head out in the goose fields or around the duck blinds with a blaze orange vest on I think he would be more likely to get shot.
 
Trigger Safety Set Means Little

Assume an Rem. 870 is laying on its side, with the ejection port up, and with the safety on. If the dog stepped on the receiver's side, it is possible that its paw could have pressed the safety downward and released the trigger as well.

Given this very simplistic possibility, in fact, the gentleman may well have had the trigger in safe. Stranger things have happened. All that could have saved him would be to have it pointed fully away.

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The incident is the second death this month in a Midstate hunting accident. The other was a deer hunter who was mistakenly shot by his brother outside White House. Neither of the men was wearing the blaze orange gear required for deer hunting.

I believe blaze orange vests are only required for big game and in some places upland game hunting. I've hunted waterfowl in a lot of different states and it was never a requirement, camouflage and concealment was. If you got some knot head out in the goose fields or around the duck blinds with a blaze orange vest on I think he would be more likely to get shot.
Might want to re-read the original post. Reading some replies makes me wonder if it's an African or European swallow, or who's on first.

Is blaze orange gear required in that state? It's certainly a good idea if you are hunting on public land but I've never heard of it being required.

It amazes me that some states still don't require orange for big game. I was going to take a shot at a 12 pointer last season. I could see blaze orange on the hunter on the next property over thru my scope. He'd have been directly in the line of fire if he'd have been in camo.

Public, private, I don't care. If you hunt anything other than birds and you don't wear orange, you're a fool.

FWIW...I know a guy that got shot in the leg by a dog. Had a loaded SA revolver in his holster. Dog jumped up, hit the hammer and the gun went off. Bullet tore the side of his leg all up.
 
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