Don't pistols have to be shipped overnight?

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I just purchased a pistol from a guy who says he brought it into his local FFL to ship to my FFL. He says they're gonna ship it out tomorrow (Friday), and that my FFL should receive it Tuesday.

Is this right? If they ship it out tomorrow, shouldn't it be overnighted to my FFL, so they'd get it Saturday morning? Or are FFL's not required to do the overnight thing?
 
Correct. Not a legal requirement, it's a guideline set up by the shippers to try to prevent theft. The overnight packages are tracked a little better, I guess, so it's harder for employees to grab them.

I know one dealer in the area who ships exclusively by ground and most of his business is handguns. I asked him how he did it and he said that he carries his own insurance and just doesn't tell the shipping companies what's in the packages. Actually it was a little more colorful than that, but you get the idea...
 
Gotcha. ;)

Thanks for the info. So alls I gots ta do is wait.... :banghead:
 
FedEx and UPS both require the overnight air just as company policy, not because it is required by law. They do it for the same reason oil companies are fixing prices and screwing us at the gas pumps:

BECAUSE THEY CAN

I just sent a gun back to the factory and it cost me $48! I am going to be pissed about that for a LONNNNGGGG time.
 
So if you are NOT and FFL and you insure the shipment yourself, can you ship it ground and not tell them its a handgun and still be within the law?

I believe the law requires you to tell a shipper you're shipping a firearm.
 
I just sent a gun back to the factory and it cost me $48! I am going to be pissed about that for a LONNNNGGGG time.
I'll bet it wasn't a Ruger!

A friend of mine bought a GP100 that had a burr in one cylinder that made ejection nearly impossible. He sent it back and they fixed it for free--AND THEN REFUNDED HIS SHIPPING COSTS...
 
Last 2 times I shipped Fedex I told them it was a pistol but did not automatically tell them that I wanted to ship it overnight (priority overnight per their regs, which is by 10:30 AM delivery, the most expensive way). I waited to see if they would ask me how I wanted it shipped. Both times, they did & I asked what my options were. I choose 2nd day delivery which saved me a bundle. Don't assume Fedex clerks know their own regs.
 
I had a similar experience to Alamo. I told the FedEx woman at the counter that I was shipping a gun. Then she asked me how I wanted to ship it and I chose 2nd day. Saved me a lot of money. The people at the desk usually don't know the rules.

Bill
 
ditto...sent my hi-power out for re-finishing and it cost me 17 bucks...they asked how I would like it sent and I said 2 day and insured it....ignorance can be a wonderful thing...if it ain't you...
 
ditto...sent my hi-power out for re-finishing and it cost me 17 bucks...they asked how I would like it sent and I said 2 day and insured it....ignorance can be a wonderful thing...if it ain't you...
The dipstick at Fed Ex also offered to ship mine 5-day ground, but balked when I listed the content. Bottom line, the company policy is in writing (I read the book as the clerk did): if you ship a gun by other than their mandated method, they won't be legally liable if it is lost or damaged. When you try to file a claim for re-imbursement, you'd be screwed. I paid the extra $$$ for the security.
 
Greeting's All-

Two weeks ago, I received a Springfield WW-II .45
MIL SPEC as a gift from a close friend from up on the
east coast. The weapon was shipped via Fed Ex from
his dealer on Monday; and it arrived at my dealer on
Thursday afternoon. Therefore, I think that the old
"overnight" rule doesn't apply any longer?

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
Ala Dan, I believe that FFLs can ship via UPS and FedEx ground but us peons can't.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Ala Dan, I believe that FFLs can ship via UPS and FedEx ground but us peons can't.
I believe you are correct. The Gunsamerica FFL just shipped my SIG to my FFL and it was sent ground. I have also received guns back from repair the same way (five day ground service).

FedEx and UPS have the "overnight" rule simply to gouge consumers. I called Fed Ex corporate office and they said they do it because they "want to get guns out of their systems as quickly as possible". That is code for saying: We do it because WE CAN.
 
No, it's code for saying "we are a bunch of crooks."

When UPS came up with that "overnite" rule, their CEO appeared on TV and used some weasel words to tell the world his employees are a gang of thieves who can not be trusted with anything remotely valuable.

What a great advertisement! And I'll bet the honest UPS employees felt great to be branded crooks by their own boss!

Jim
 
Bottom line, the company policy is in writing (I read the book as the clerk did): if you ship a gun by other than their mandated method, they won't be legally liable if it is lost or damaged. When you try to file a claim for re-imbursement, you'd be screwed. I paid the extra $$$ for the security.

It may be in writing but are they claiming customers are responsible for reading their book? If you disclose it is a pistol and the clerk (who doesn't know the regs) says you can ship it 2nd day, how could they deny your claim if it is lost?

Does it really say no claims will be paid on lost / damaged handguns that were properly disclosed as such by the sender and were allowed to be shipped by delivery other than priority overnight by a Fedex clerk?
 
It may be in writing but are they claiming customers are responsible for reading their book? If you disclose it is a pistol and the clerk (who doesn't know the regs) says you can ship it 2nd day, how could they deny your claim if it is lost?

Does it really say no claims will be paid on lost / damaged handguns that were properly disclosed as such by the sender and were allowed to be shipped by delivery other than priority overnight by a Fedex clerk?

I am no lawyer (and I wouldn't accept a free beer from one) but I believe the various shipping stations would be viewed as contractors for the company. The company is responsible for abiding by it's polices and making reasonable effort to see those are carried out by it's employees. I believe the company could refuse to pay a cliam based on an "improperly shipped" item. You might be able to sue the person who actually did ship it improperly.... if he still worked there and had two nickels in his pocket (most shipping clerks are known to be independently wealthy).

A similar thing happened to me when I bought a car. The dealer sold me the "7-year, 70,000 mile warranty" and put it in writing. When my engine blew the head, Chrysler refused to honor the warranty and said it was between me and the dealer...which was out of business.
 
I see your point but Fedex typically makes you go to their facility to ship a pistol so you are dealing with actual Fedex employees. The Mail Box Etc. type places generally won't take pistols.
 
The belief that one must notify the carrier that the item being shipped is a firearm likely comes from a statement on BATF's website that is, at best poorly referenced, and at worst, just plain false.

I'm referring to:
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b9



quote:
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B9) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by carrier?

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 2)( A) and 922( e), 27 CFR 178.31]
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The law this bit of disinformation references is at:
http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/gca.htm


quote:
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922. Unlawful acts

(a) It shall be unlawful --

(e) It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce, to persons other than licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped; except that any passenger who owns or legally possesses a firearm or ammunition being transported aboard any common or contract carrier for movement with the passenger in interstate or foreign commerce may deliver said firearm or ammunition into the custody of the pilot, captain, conductor or operator of such common or contract carrier for the duration of the trip without violating any of the provisions of this chapter. No common or contract carrier shall require or cause any label, tag, or other written notice to be placed on the outside of any package, luggage, or other container that such package, luggage, or other container contains a firearm.
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In other words, if you are shipping the pistol to a federally licensed entity, which you should be if its crossing state lines, then you don't have to tell the carrier anything.

Another guy put alot of this information together on his website, here:
http://www.1bad69.com/keltec/shipping.htm
 
Last time I shipped a firearm anywhere I just put it in box and sent it out via UPS ground. I am not too worried about their dumb rules. Of course I wasn't expecting insurance coverage if it got lost either.
 
(Just received the pistol mentioned in the original post, BTW. ;))

Okay, one more question: What about shipping the pistol in parts? Slide in one box, frame in another. Would that be an econo shipping option?
 
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