Thats not the point of this drill. Most people that I have heard proclaim themselves "point shooters" cannot actually shoot well.Somebody do it point shooting, or instinctive, or whatever they call it without the sights or seeing the gun.
3 yards, well within the declared distance unsighted fire should be good for.
Thats not the point of this drill. Most people that I have heard proclaim themselves "point shooters" cannot actually shoot well.
It is a metric. I dont doubt there are some very skilled "point shooters" out there. I respect that. Im sure some of the top guys could ace this drill point shooting. Just saying your average shooter who calls himself a "point shooter" is full of beans.Really?
I figured this would be a great chance for some of them to show what they can do. 3 yards for starters, how hard can it be?
Many like to throw Bill Jordan and other masters out as the sterling example of unsighted fire being valid, but they arent willing to actually show what they can do, with real targets and timers. Right in front of the whole world.
I'm truly not trying to be a jerk. If its that good a system, lets see some of it in real life, on film, in direct comparison to sighted fire scores and times by competant people. I see lots of stories, and "Way back when, I....", not much "This is what I'm talking about". This cant be that hard to show.
That is part of the reason I made this thread and have posted my targets.Oh, I'm with you.
I would truly like to see some people that promote unsighted fire as being at least equal if not superior, post their targets. Much discussion around about what some people say they can do, but they havent given much evidence of it. 3 yards should be easy for expereinced unsighted fire shooters to do consistent, on demand work. And faster, of course, than sighted fire.
Im glad you understand what i am saying. It is tricky. Most sites are geared towards the hobbyist, hunters, plinkers and honestly the "tacticool" consumerist crowd who has never found a product they didnt want to hang off the AR.In total agreement. I see lots of "I can do this or that, blah blah,.." with generally little to show for it or show the theory in practice, very little real life, "This is what I'm doing and practicing, warts and all, and how I'm progressing over time". I'd be happy to see more of what youre doing and less of the other.
Theres one place in particular I've seen online where the majority are serious students of the gun, and show and say exactly what theyve been doing, how much theyve been shooting (and its often stunning amounts). The empty comments dont last long when asked to show what they can do. People are, mostly politely, asked to put up. I think more of that level of internet honesty and forwardness would be great.
That buzzer going off or that first miss is like getting rocked in a boxing match. You will either fall back on fundamentals or be a mess the rest of the fight.breakingcontact, I'm quite pleased that you posted this up. I'm pretty fair at hitting distant objects or poking holes in paper in a nice tight cluster, at least on good days. That said, our club hosted a variation on the Ruger steel challenge. Very humbling to say the least to miss a big whopping steel plate numerous times. Aquiring multiple targets with someone holding a timer by my head certainly takes me out of my comfort zone. I'll see if I can get some photos up in the new year.
Yup.It is a metric.
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Drills like this prove objectively where we are at. If you have a baseline, you can improve. If you have accountability and honesty you can improve.
I shoot here mostly, so I do use my timer often. Once I get this drill down ill shoot it on a timer or put some distance on it.Yup.
Along the same lines, if you're in a situation where you can use a timer, it's probably a good idea to involve it any time you do any kind of shooting where timing your performance makes sense.
I do most of my shooting at public indoor ranges and can't use timers.
Yup.
Along the same lines, if you're in a situation where you can use a timer, it's probably a good idea to involve it any time you do any kind of shooting where timing your performance makes sense.
I do most of my shooting at public indoor ranges and can't use timers.
It's just about measuring performance to determine if you're improving, stagnated or actually declining.I haven't heard of the creators of the dot torture test using any sort of timers on DT, and it seems a bit redundant to me to add another element like per-shot par times when the drill is hard enough to ace within 3 yds and you can just move the target out for added difficulty.
It's just about measuring performance to determine if you're improving, stagnated or actually declining.
The drill source does mention adding time pressure to the mix once the shooter can ace the drill.
ben Ezra - “Scale it up on a piece of poster board or something so it's the same angular size at 50 feet that the 8.5x11 printout is at the closer distance.”
Originally posted by breakingcontact
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