Dot Torture Drill (a little friendly competition?)

[possum]

I don't know if you guys have ever done this, but it is interesting and fun, and it covers alot of the things that you need to practice/train on. so what i am thinking is that we do the "dot torture drill" and post our results, and info ie gun make and model, caliber etc, ammo used, distance the drill was shot, etc. and even better if you could prove it by posting a pic (this is most important for those that say they "cleaned" the drill). i first heard about tis on getoffthex, this particular course of fire was taken from another forum, props to the guy that posted it.

Here is how its done
This is a marksmanship drill, fired at 3 yards or further. Targets are ten 2" dots numbered. A total of 50 rounds is needed. You will perform: 22 draws and holster, depending on magazine capacity 5-10 administrative or speed reloads, obtain 83 sight pictures and press the trigger 50 times.

• Dot #1- Draw and fire one string of 5 rounds for best group. One hole if possible, total 5 rounds.
• Dot #2- Draw and fire 1 shot, holster and repeat X4, total 5 rounds.
• Dot #3 and 4- Draw and fire 1 shot on #3, then 1 shot on 4, holster and repeat X4, total 8 rounds.
• Dot #5- Draw and fire string of 5 rounds, strong hand only, total 5 rounds.
• Dot #6 and 7- Draw and fire 2 shots on #6, then 2 on #7, holster, repeat X4, total 16 rounds.
• Dot #8- From ready or retention, fire five shots, weak hand only, total 5 rounds.
• Dot #9 and 10- Draw and fire 1 shots on #9, speed reload, fire 1 shots on #10, holster and repeat X3, total 6 rounds.

 

[taliv]

is there a time limit? if not, what's the point of all the holstering and reloads?

 

[possum]

that is the good thing about this drill ,it isn't timed. what is the point of the holstering and reloads? do you have to be under a time restraint to get good training/shooting value out of a drill? do you always have a shot timer with you? anytime you are drawing form the holster, reloading it is all quality training value as long as you are doing it right.

 

[taliv]

do you always have a shot timer with you?

kinda, yeah

I'll try it though

 

[rrflyer]

hate this dril!

but you might wanna post links to the target.

 

[JImbothefiveth]

I think the "holster and fire one shot" thing is bad training. You don't want to have to shoot, only to re-holster and get killed because the shot didn't stop the attacker.


Edit:Woo-hoo, 500 posts

 

[possum]

kinda, yeah

lucky you, i need to get me one of those!

but you might wanna post links to the target.

i take a piece of paper and the orange 2" dot stick on targets from wal mart and set my targets up that way, i don't have a specific target that i use. i am sure over at letargets they have something that would work fine.

I think the "holster and fire one shot" thing is bad training. You don't want to have to shoot, only to re-holster and get killed because the shot didn't stop the attacker.

this is one part of one drill in your life. i could see if it was something that you did all the time, if you are training properly then you should be alternating the amount of hits on targets. ie the 21 shot drill etc, so you don't get into the mindest ti fire one or 2 rounds, and reholster. etc. your training should also should build apon itself. progressing as you go.

plus i have found that when teaching or learning a new skill, to save ammo and get the most out the training it is best to do 1 rd per engagement, so you get more reps out of the drill, and therefore more training value. after the skill is learned you can do it one better by firing various # number of rds on target to simulate faliures to stop etc.

 

[taliv]

lucky you, i need to get me one of those!

yeah, you do. esp if you're doing drills like this regularly. putting yourself on a clock changes everything.

i keep mine in the truck with my eye/ear pro, and spare parts kits.

 

[possum]

esp if you're doing drills like this regularly.

yep all kinds of stuff like this once a week at the range at least, i have enough drills to last a while and putting them on the timmer would even be better, i have been wanting a timmer, and i guess you have just given me the motivation that i needed to break down and get one.

 

[Bix]

but you might wanna post links to the target.

David Blinder has posted the drill, along with a handy downloadable target here:

http://www.personaldefensetraining.com/showpage.php?target=dottorture.php

 

[possum]

Bix,
thank you. i didn't know there was one.

 

[Phil DeGraves]

I think the "holster and fire one shot" thing is bad training.

is there a time limit? if not, what's the point of all the holstering and reloads?

You are missing the point of the drill. The one shot and holster is for D/A trigger control or muscle motor memory to hit the safety if a cocked and locked piece. Same with drawing, and reloading. Builds muscle motor memory. As he said in the very first post,

This is a marksmanship drill, fired at 3 yards or further.

I have performed variations of this drill many times; it is an excellent marksmanship discipline skillbuilder. They way I do it, it ends up with 5 rounds in each block.

Box 1: Draw and fire 5 rounds supported

Box 2: Draw and fire 5 rounds strong hand unsupported

Box 3: Fire 5 rounds opposite hand unsupported

Box 4: Draw and fire 1 round 5x

Boxes 5 & 6: Draw and fire 1 round on each box 5x

Boxes 7 & 8: Draw and fire 1 round on box 7, speed reload and fire 1 round on box 8 (5x)

Boxes 9 & 10: Draw and fire 1 round on box 9, tactical load, and fire 1 round on box 10 (5x)



DISTANCE: 4 yards, no time limit

 

[Maximum1]

EXTENSIVE list of timed Handgun Drills...

http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/HandgunStandards1.pdf

http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/HandgunStandards2.pdf



Of course, a timer is an essential part of training...

 

[Floppy_D]

Win/Win... it will be easy or improve on something. I like all sorts of drills, and this is a good gauge for what I need to improve on. I'll take pics this Wednesday. Thanks for the idea!

 

[ETH77]

Dry fire tests

For those of you with computer monitors or with a big screen TV hooked to a computer, here is a pointer to Matt Burkett's website and a series of dry fire exercises.

http://www.mattburkett.com/flashfiles/dryfire.html

 

[fireflyfather]

Just make sure you clear the weapon first and have a good backstop behind the monitor/TV!

 

[Browns Fan]

Possom,
It's funny that you should bring this up. Saturday I went to an indoor range to do the dot torture (been meaning to do so for awhile, now). When I got to dot#8, I got a little confused. How the heck do you hit (or try to hit) a 2" dot from retention? How do you hit a standard sized bullseye target at 7 yds from retention, I tried that and could barely hit the target, let alone get any in the black!

 

[taliv]

awesome link, thanks eth

 

[possum]

Possom,

It's funny that you should bring this up. Saturday I went to an indoor range to do the dot torture (been meaning to do so for awhile, now). When I got to dot#8, I got a little confused. How the heck do you hit (or try to hit) a 2" dot from retention? How do you hit a standard sized bullseye target at 7 yds from retention, I tried that and could barely hit the target, let alone get any in the black!

i am sure that that is hard, the drill calls for you to start form the ready or retention, instead of the holster like on the others.not actually shoot from that position, maybe that will help you out a little there.

 

[3pairs12]

Sounds fun possum. You always seem to come up with fun friendly competions and I thank you.

 

[possum]

Sounds fun possum. You always seem to come up with fun friendly competions and I thank you.

you are welcome and thank you, let me know when you guys get tired of this, i have plenty more.

 

[dsdanger]

Okay. I tried this yesterday at the range. Thanks for showing me what a terrible shooter I am.

My first go was at 5 yds. with a S&W 442 .38spl snubbie. Maybe I was going too quickly, but it's the worst shooting I've ever done.

The next was with a Glock 19 at 7.5 yds. A little better, but bad enough that I didn't want the other guys on the range to see my results.

Good drill, thanks a lot.

 

[taliv]

i also tried it this weekend at the range. shot it twice at 5m at a reasonable pace.

almost all were inside the circles or at least touching them, except for #7. almost every shot on both targets was low/right out of the circle. (i'm left handed though, so this is prob a different exercise for right-handers)

 

[possum]

Good drill, thanks a lot.

glad you enjoyed it.

My first go was at 5 yds. with a S&W 442 .38spl snubbie

wow that would be tough, btw have you had a trigger job done on it or is it stock? that happens to be the next gun that i want. man i hope the local shop will have one.

 

[BullfrogKen]

JImbothefiveth said: I think the "holster and fire one shot" thing is bad training. You don't want to have to shoot, only to re-holster and get killed because the shot didn't stop the attacker.

I saw strings of five and pairs in that drill, too. Your advice is sound advice, but it doesn't really apply here, as the drill doesn't have the Practitioner only firing one shot and reholstering throughout the exercise.


If you're worried about teaching yourself bad habits with this drill, then after each stage,

• do a 360 scan,
• reload,
• then holster.

Bix said: David Blinder has posted the drill

Dave's good people. Met him several times at the NTI. I really like the way he approaches the study, and he often fares well in the event because of it.