Double stack 45 2011

[captain awesome]

So this is kind of an odd thing, but I competed in a competition a few months ago that involved hitting, and knocking off steel paddles off of various targets, some were kind of like a Texas star. You could use any handgun set up of any caliber you wanted but there were over twenty targets to clear and you're only allowed 2 magazines. The mags can be as high capacity as you like, but you only get the two mags. Targets were of varying distances up to 100 yards. It's a timed competition, with heavy penalties for not completing everything. The paddles that were able to be knocked off had to come off completely for it to count as a hit. Most guys, including myself were using some variant of 9mm, most had an optic on it. I was no exception to this, I was using my SIG P226 Legion, with 33 round promags, which did not work well. The promags didn't feed my flat point 147 grain rounds very well and I had a lot of failure to feeds to clear during my turn. I cleared all the targets, but there were several of the paddles that just wouldn't fall off unless you hit them in the right spot while they were on the bottom swing of the target. It was really irritating and consumed a bunch of extra time. The 9mm just didn't have enough energy to reliably do the job.

So I decided to look at other options. For the competition next year. I thought about bringing my 500 magnum and smacking the middle of the targets and hoping all the paddles fall off at once from the shock. I don't know if it would work or not but would be fun to try. It Wouldn't have enough rounds in two speed loaders to clear everything though, and I don't know if they would make a revolver exception to the mag rule or not.

Another option that is more practical like the title suggests, a 2011 in 45 ACP. I could likely do just fine with 30 rounds available, but it's cutting it close with not a lot of extra rounds in case of misses or if the paddles are still stubborn. I was hoping to find 20-30 round mags for one but haven't been able to locate any or even see any in existence. I know there are larger capacity Glock magazines, but that's not the direction I want to take for the competition. I am pretty good with 1911s and my couple para double stacks, neither of which feed reliably, so I'd need to find another one, that is more reliable. Anyway does anyone know about this? Surely I'm not the only guy out there who wants something like that.

 

[StrykerByte.45]

I use modified ETS mags for my Glock 30. The 18 round mags will work with 255gr after modifications but I lose 1 capacity, so 17 rounds total, but 100% reliable. Except, I designed my own part so there is no way you can do it unless I build them for you. I also modified 30 round ETS mags but only to be reliable with up to 165gr rounds. I think filling them with heavier bullets is not necessary, but I guess if I was in your shoes I would work on that. It's definitely doable. I tried to do the same mods to other brands of mags but it wouldn't work on any other than ETS because they are smooth inside, one piece, and it help that they are see through in order to examine what the springs are doing. They are 100% reliable and trouble free once done.
If you can use ETS mags for your 2011, let me know, I will help you for free so you can use 255gr reliably as well. Sounds like a fun project. I could also mod 9mm ETS mags to run the 147gr reliably without losing much capacity. My extended ETS mags originally fit 33 rounds of 45acp but after modding they only fit 30 rounds, I think the same would happen with 9mm. 147gr is not very heavy, so I think it will still hold 30. A 45acp mag might only hold 27 in the end but run 255gr.
I get a kick from knowing I'm the only one in the world that has reliable extended mags for my 45acp Glock with heavy ammo.

 

[MikeInOr]

I have never seen a hi-capacity 2011 magazine. Are there extended floor plates that be added to an existing mag?

I would want to go with a 1911 variant too, they are great for competition! Are there any 1911 drum magazines?
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Hey, there is such a beast. Would 40 rounds of .45 acp per magazine be enough for you?

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I think this is how an arms race gets started. (I am pretty sure Stalin showed Roosevelt a Nagant 7 round revolver at Potsdam after which Roosevelt showed Stalin a 7+1 1911.... yada yada yada... and here we are!)

 

[9mmepiphany]

I was using my SIG P226 Legion, with 33 round promags, which did not work well. The promags didn't feed my flat point 147 grain rounds very well and I had a lot of failure to feeds to clear during my turn. I cleared all the targets, but there were several of the paddles that just wouldn't fall off unless you hit them in the right spot while they were on the bottom swing of the target. It was really irritating and consumed a bunch of extra time. The 9mm just didn't have enough energy to reliably do the job.

It isn't that the 9mm doesn't have enough energy. I take down plates all the time shooting 124gr RMR MW bullets running at <1100fps. I'm currently shooting a M&P9 with an Apex Grade barrel which prefers 147gr MW and they've been very good taking steel at 50 yards...for 100 yards, you'd have to aim a bit higher than with the 124gr. If you shoot well with the Legion and just want to try a heavier bullet, you can load 160-165gr slugs to whatever max is.

The feeding issues you're experiencing is what ProMags are famous for. They are a great mag to practice malfunction drills with, but not much else..

The only consistently reliable 2011 mags on the market are the current ones from Staccato (formerly STI). Opinions are still in limbo on the Springfield Prodigy mags

 

[Ru4real]

You are just one short. Just add the one. 9mm + 1mm = 10mm

My avatar is 17+1 with a 6” slide. Of course, recoil is a bit more than a 45, but not a lot more than ACP 230gr hardball.

I’ve found 9’s excell at holes in target games, 45’s excell in pins, maybe 10’s will be the ticket for plates out to 100 yard games.

 

[tarosean]

I was hoping to find 20-30 round mags for one but haven't been able to locate any or even see any in existence. I know there are larger capacity Glock magazines, but that's not the direction I want to take for the competition. I am pretty good with 1911s and my couple para double stacks, neither of which feed reliably,

Well there is a new gun called the Platypus that is a 2011 that happens to take Glock mags. don’t know of many reviews/real world experience though.

STI Omni 15+1 with the 140mm magazines it’s no longer made though. (Barrel is not threaded it’s sitting on top of another gun)

Also look at 40SW as it smacks steel good and gives you added capacity.

 

[captain awesome]

Well there is a new gun called the Platypus that is a 2011 that happens to take Glock mags. don’t know of many reviews/real world experience though.

STI Omni 15+1 with the 140mm magazines it’s no longer made though. (Barrel is not threaded it’s sitting on top of another gun)

Also look at 40SW as it smacks steel good and gives you added capacity.

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The "Platypus"... sounds like one sexy pistol

 

[bc1023]

Really like my Triarc Systems Tri-11 in 45

Mags hold 15 rounds

 

[Riomouse911]

Man, if you don’t reload that sounds like it could get expensive for ammo playing that game.

Sounds fun, though!

I haven’t seen any higher capacity 2011 magazines either, just the ones offered by the makers.

I’d love to see a video of the range layout and competitors shooting.

Stay safe.

 

[captain awesome]

I will video it and put it on my YouTube channel next year, they do it every spring. It is a lot of fun. I might just try that 1911 drum Promag just for kicks. If it works I'll get a purpose built 1911 for it.
And I do reload, so ammo cost isn't AS MUCH of an issue.

 

[Jim Watson]

I have a couple of MBX 141mm .45 magazines, listed to hold 16 with slide lock, 17 without.
They do not make a 155 or 170mm .45, though.

A .40 might be a better bet, but it should not be hard to knock plates off a Texas Star. Ours isn't.

There are 160 gr 9mm bullets and load data. That might help.

 

[Howland937]

Opinions are still in limbo on the Springfield Prodigy mags

Are they leftover STI mags? All those I've looked at were definitely stamped STI (38 Super, to boot)

Which would be the path I'd go down for an endeavor such as the OP describes. Hot rod 38 Super loads while keeping the 9mm capacity...but that stipulates being a reloader.

 

[railroader]

I was wondering too about a 9mm having trouble knocking plates off a texas sstar. My range has a couple of stars and a double star and we shoot matches with them. I shoot them with 115gr 9mm ammo all the time. I think large poppers are worse for knocking them down with lighter loads.

 

[actionexpress]

Are they leftover STI mags? All those I've looked at were definitely stamped STI (38 Super, to boot)

No, Checkmate makes Staccato mags, someone else makes the Prodigy magazines.

 

[Howland937]

No, Checkmate makes Staccato mags, someone else makes the Prodigy magazines.

Odd... I've looked at 2 of the SA Prodigy pistols. One new at the LGS and one a guy was shooting in competition. Both had mags plainly marked STI and 38 Super.

 

[captain awesome]

For what it's worth, there is a Texas star in the competition, but the target I am referring to is not a Texas star, though it is a similar concept. It's a large rectangle that is rotated by gravity, it has eight plates that have to be knocked off. It has 4 on each long side of the rectangle. For what ever reason on this particular target the plates are stubborn and don't want to fall off unless you hit them when the rectangle is oriented with the plates you are shooting at upside down. This of course prompts the dang rectangle to move a lot more, which in turn makes it more difficult to hit the plates. Confused? I know I am...

 

[sevt_chevelle]

Odd... I've looked at 2 of the SA Prodigy pistols. One new at the LGS and one a guy was shooting in competition. Both had mags plainly marked STI and 38 Super.

Not original mags. Dura mag makes the Prodigy mags. STI was renamed Staccato several years ago. The Staccato mags are just marked on front with .... 2011 and a star then 9/38, on the back just marked G3.

 

[Howland937]

Not original mags. Dura mag makes the Prodigy mags. STI was renamed Staccato several years ago. The Staccato mags are just marked on front with .... 2011 and a star then 9/38, on the back just marked G3.

Good to know. The same shop that had the one sold the other...maybe there's a correlation. These had STI stamped on the baseplate and 38S on the side IIRC.