Dudedog Thanksgiving PIF journey

[vaalpens]

I do these PIF journey threads when I receive some PIF bullets to share the load development and results (journey). The idea is that since I receive these bullets as a PIF, it just makes sense to share the results with the forum members since I received the bullets through THR.

I will be adding to this thread as I make decisions regarding the loads I want to evaluate and could change direction based on comments or suggestions. At the end of the day these bullets will be evaluated and the results (good or bad) will be shared in this thread.

This thread is about a PIF I received from Dudedog over Thanksgiving. Thanks again to Dudedog for his generosity.


Let's start with the bullets I received from Dudedog:
RMR, 357/38, 125gr, Target HP plated
RMR, 9mm, 147gr, Target HP plated
RMR, 380/9mm, 100gr, RN thick plated
Xtreme, 380/9mm, 100gr, RNFP plated
RMR, 9mm/357sig, 125gr, MPR JHP


My initial thoughts on these bullets are to develop loads as follow:

Xtreme, 380/9mm, 100gr, RNFP plated:
Bullets will be loaded in 9mm. This will probably the first bullet I will try. Based on previous posts from Dudedog regarding "mouse fart" loads using HP-38, this will probably the direction I will pursue. I will do a full workup starting at a low powder weight, then after the initial evaluation decide if I want to evaluate loads on the lower end and/or higher end of my first loads. The end result should be some good data points using HP-38 and this bullet.

RMR, 380/9mm, 100gr, RN thick plated:
The above evaluation will probably dictate how this bullet will be loaded. It will go either in 9mm with a full workup using one powder, or I will push the limit a bit in 357sig. These bullets are rated at 1500fps, so I should be able to push them 1400fps+ without worrying about loosing the plating. No decision yet.

RMR, 357/38, 125gr, Target HP plated:
I have not decided on 357 or 38 yet. These bullets are beautiful and I will take my time before deciding on a load. They are plated so I will not go with any full power loads. I have a feeling that I will probably go the 38spl using BE-86 route, but haven't decided yet.

RMR, 9mm, 147gr, Target HP plated:
A while ago I tried to get good accuracy with the bullets in 357sig, and will probably try again. It just seems a waste to use these in 9mm.

RMR, 9mm/357sig, 125gr, MPR JHP:
These will be loaded in 357sig. I will probably refine accuracy on some known loads, and up the velocity in my Longshot load. This type of bullet was tested at 1466fps, so I can probably up the velocity a bit.

 

[Dudedog]

I think you might have fun with the RMR 100s in the .357 Sig. They seem to have fairly thick plating so maybe find out if they are really good for 1500 (or a bit more)
Looking forward to your results, I always appreciate your write ups.

 

[vaalpens]

I think you might have fun with the RMR 100s in the .357 Sig. They seem to have fairly thick plating so maybe find out if they are really good for 1500 (or a bit more)
Looking forward to your results, I always appreciate your write ups.

Thanks Dudedog! I will definitely share the results, and will probably post a picture showing the cleaning patch with some blue on it. There will probably be some copper residue left in the barrel.

 

[vaalpens]

The first loads have been created using the Xtreme, 380/9mm, 100gr, RNFP plated bullets in 9mm.

I decided to start on the low end and will then evaluate the results and decide if I should try lower, increase the loads, or just load the rest with a good performing load. If I decide on loading the rest with a good performing load, then maybe I'll add another variable by installing a new recoil spring and see how it changes the reliability. Hopefully I will be able to evaluate these loads within a week or so.

The loads I decided on are using HP-38, 3.9gr-4.4gr with .1gr increments, and a COL of 1.005". Since these are Xtreme bullets, I went the Freedom Munitions route and used my Ammoload cases. These cases have a step inside and I only use them for specific loads. This is probably a good fit since I am loading on the low end.

These loads will be tested for velocity using my ProChrono at 4yards, and accuracy at 15yards using a rest.

 

[vaalpens]

The second set of loads are now in the books, marrying some RMR 100gr hardcore match round nose plated bullets with 357sig cases and CFE Pistol powder.

Normally when I load a new bullet in 357sig I would put a couple of bullets through the fit and setback test, but I have loaded a few of these before, so I know they work even with the round nose.

The plan with these loads is to build on previous loads with CFE Pistol to see what velocity it will reach and how well the bullets will hold up. I will probably take my cleaning kit with when I shoot these bullets to see if I see any hint of copper fouling. In my 357sig I normally see a little, but it will be interesting to see if I see any using CFE Pistol.

These loads will be tested for velocity using my ProChrono at 4yards, and accuracy at 15yards using a rest.

The loads I decided on are using CFE Pistol, 8.4gr, 8.6gr, 8.8gr and 9.0gr, a COL of 1.135", CCI500 primers and Speer cases.

 

[vaalpens]

The third set of loads are also in the books now. These are the RMR, 9mm, 147gr, Target HP plated bullets.

For these loads I have decided to revisit my CFE Pistol load where I did see some good accuracy. These loads will be used to try and confirm the accuracy I saw previously. The target velocity for these loads will be around 1100fps. I will probably test these loads when I test the 100gr RMR bullets since both are plated and both are using CFE Pistol. This will allow me to check for possible copper fouling only once.

I'm not sure yet what I want to accomplish with any follow-up loads, but the test results will probably guide me in my decision.

These loads will be tested for velocity using my ProChrono at 4yards, and accuracy at 15yards using a rest.

The loads I decided on are using CFE Pistol, 5.5gr, 5.6gr, 5.7gr (potential most accurate), 5.8gr and 5.9gr, a COL of 1.140", CCI500 primers and Speer cases.

 

[Dudedog]

Since I don't have a .357 Sig it will be interesting to see how those 147gr bullets preform in .357 Sig.

 

[vaalpens]

Since I don't have a .357 Sig it will be interesting to see how those 147gr bullets preform in .357 Sig.

These bullets load very well in 357sig and has very good neck tension. I tried them in 2016 with Longshot at higher velocities with not so good accuracy, then went for a lower targeted velocity using CFE Pistol and saw much better accuracy. This time I am trying to validate previous findings since there were no follow-up loads in 2016. Following are the results from 2016:

357sig, P229, 3.9"
Case: Starline
COL: 1.140"
RMR, 147gr, HMHPRR, CFEpistol, 5.7gr, CCI500
Average: 1008
ES: 10
SD: 7.1
Force: 332
PF: 148
Velocities: 1003, 1013, error, error, error
Grouping @ 15yd: 0.84"

357sig, P229, 3.9"
Case: Starline
COL: 1.140"
RMR, 147gr, HMHPRR, CFEpistol, 5.8gr, CCI500
Average: 1039
ES: 21
SD: 7.7
Force: 352
PF: 152
Velocities: 1036, 1028, 1042, 1049, 1040
Grouping @ 15yd: 1.46"

357sig, P229, 3.9"
Case: Starline
COL: 1.140"
RMR, 147gr, HMHPRR, CFEpistol, 5.9gr, CCI500
Average: 1052
ES: 20
SD: 7.5
Force: 361
PF: 154
Velocities: 1050, 1044, 1049, 1054, 1064
Grouping @ 15yd: 2.22"

357sig, P229, 3.9"
Case: Starline
COL: 1.140"
RMR, 147gr, HMHPRR, CFEpistol, 6gr, CCI500
Average: 1064
ES: 26
SD: 11.4
Force: 369
PF: 156
Velocities: 1054, 1073, 1052, 1078, 1063
Grouping @ 15yd: 2.22"

 

[vaalpens]

I evaluated thre different bullets today. Let's start with the RMR, 9mm, 147gr, Target HP plated.

The bullet performed very similar to the previous tests, where it seems it is more accurate at the lower velocities. I know these bullets are supposed to be able to handle 1400fps, but with previous tests and the RMR 100gr bullets to follow, I don't think I have tested a plated bullet that is very accurate at higher velocities.

Following are the test results:


357sig, P229, 3.9"
Case: Speer
COL: 1.140"
RMR, 147gr, HMHPRR, CFEpistol, 5.5gr, CCI500
Average: 1002
ES: 20
SD: 7.5
Force: 328
PF: 147
Velocities: 993, 999, 1006, 1003, 1013
Grouping @ 15yd: 0.53" (best grouping)

357sig, P229, 3.9"
Case: Speer
COL: 1.140"
RMR, 147gr, HMHPRR, CFEpistol, 5.6gr, CCI500
Average: 1016
ES: 17
SD: 6.9
Force: 337
PF: 149
Velocities: 1027, 1020, 1010, 1013, 1013
Grouping @ 15yd: 1.07"


357sig, P229, 3.9"
Case: Speer
COL: 1.140"
RMR, 147gr, HMHPRR, CFEpistol, 5.7gr, CCI500
Average: 1035
ES: 16
SD: 5.9
Force: 350
PF: 152
Velocities: 1042, 1037, 1026, 1038, 1036
Grouping @ 15yd: 1.02"

357sig, P229, 3.9"
Case: Speer
COL: 1.140"
RMR, 147gr, HMHPRR, CFEpistol, 5.8gr, CCI500
Average: 1049
ES: 16
SD: 6.6
Force: 359
PF: 154
Velocities: 1053, 1039, 1053, 1046, 1055
Grouping @ 15yd: 1.66"

357sig, P229, 3.9"
Case: Speer
COL: 1.140"
RMR, 147gr, HMHPRR, CFEpistol, 5.9gr, CCI500
Average: 1058
ES: 25
SD: 10.2
Force: 365
PF: 155
Velocities: 1054, 1042, 1067, 1064, 1063
Grouping @ 15yd: 1.5"

I have not decided yet what loads to create with the remaining bullets, but it seems I can go a bit lower with the charge and have a really accurate load that will make minor. It is a pity RMR doesn't sell these bullets anymore since they will make an accurate practice round in 357sig with no excessive wear on the gun.

 

[vaalpens]

Another bullet I tested was the RMR, 380/9mm, 100gr, RN thick plated bullet.

This bullet is supposed to be able to be good up to 1500fps, but I'm not so sure about that. The accuracy for the loads I tested was very bad, so I just gave it a default 5" grouping. Initially I though maybe there was an issue with my scope, but the 147gr loads were tested after this load and accuracy was very good, so I can't blame it on the scope. The accuracy was so bad that I only tested the first two loads with the chrono and decided to not chrono the remaining two loads. I did test them for accuracy since the pressure can't be that high, but again the accuracy was bad.

Following are the results:

357sig, P229, 3.9"
Case: Speer
COL: 1.135"
RMR, 100gr, HMRNP, CFEpistol, 8.4gr, CCI500
Average: 1401
ES: 11
SD: 4.3
Force: 436
PF: 140
Velocities: 1402, 1399, 1404, 1396, 1407
Grouping @ 15yd: 5"

357sig, P229, 3.9"
Case: Speer
COL: 1.135"
RMR, 100gr, HMRNP, CFEpistol, 8.6gr, CCI500
Average: 1436
ES: 39
SD: 14.6
Force: 458
PF: 143
Velocities: 1455, 1430, 1438, 1416, 1443
Grouping @ 15yd: 5"

357sig, P229, 3.9"
Case: Speer
COL: 1.135"
RMR, 100gr, HMRNP, CFEpistol, 8.8gr, CCI500
Grouping @ 15yd: 5"

357sig, P229, 3.9"
Case: Speer
COL: 1.135"
RMR, 100gr, HMRNP, CFEpistol, 9gr, CCI500
Grouping @ 15yd: 5"

I haven't decided on the next loads yet, but they will probably be 9mm loads.

 

[vaalpens]

Another bullet I tested was the Xtreme, 380/9mm, 100gr, RNFP plated.

This test was to see how low I can start and determine if my pistol will cycle reliably. I did not know what to expect accuracy wise, but it seems this combination is not very accurate, but also does not have very bad accuracy. With the last two loads it seems that the accuracy is starting to go off. I'm not sure if it is the plating or what it is.

Following are the test results:

9mm, SP2022, 3.9"
Case: Ammoload
COL: 1.005"
Xtreme, 100gr, RNFP, HP38, 3.9gr, CCI500
Average: 959
ES: 28
SD: 13.7
Force: 204
PF: 95
Velocities: 972, 964, 946, 972, 944
Grouping @ 15yd: 1.62"


9mm, SP2022, 3.9"
Case: Ammoload
COL: 1.005"
Xtreme, 100gr, RNFP, HP38, 4gr, CCI500
Average: 992
ES: 26
SD: 9.7
Force: 218
PF: 99
Velocities: 1004, 998, 992, 978, 991
Grouping @ 15yd: 1.61"

9mm, SP2022, 3.9"
Case: Ammoload
COL: 1.005"
Xtreme, 100gr, RNFP, HP38, 4.1gr, CCI500
Average: 1014
ES: 12
SD: 5
Force: 228
PF: 101
Velocities: 1018, 1016, 1006, 1018, 1016
Grouping @ 15yd: 1.84"


9mm, SP2022, 3.9"
Case: Ammoload
COL: 1.005"
Xtreme, 100gr, RNFP, HP38, 4.2gr, CCI500
Average: 1029
ES: 27
SD: 11
Force: 235
PF: 102
Velocities: 1030, 1017, 1036, 1021, 1044
Grouping @ 15yd: 1.51"

9mm, SP2022, 3.9"
Case: Ammoload
COL: 1.005"
Xtreme, 100gr, RNFP, HP38, 4.3gr, CCI500
Average: 1053
ES: 12
SD: 4.5
Force: 246
PF: 105
Velocities: 1053, 1046, 1058, 1053, 1056
Grouping @ 15yd: 4.5"

9mm, SP2022, 3.9"
Case: Ammoload
COL: 1.005"
Xtreme, 100gr, RNFP, HP38, 4.4gr, CCI500
Average: 1069
ES: 20
SD: 8.2
Force: 254
PF: 106
Velocities: 1067, 1076, 1065, 1080, 1060
Grouping @ 15yd: 1.23" for 4, but probably 5" with one bad flyer

There were no cycle issues with the first 3.9gr load, but I had one failing to go into battery problem with the 4.0gr load. It seems I will have to load these bullets with at least 4.2gr to expect some reliable cycling.

I have not decided on my next loads yet, but it will either be just loading up on 4.2gr loads and see how they perform with a new recoil spring, or try another powder.

 

[vaalpens]

This morning before I went out to test my loads my Xtreme 124gr FP bullets were delivered. Since I had some primed cases I decided to load up a 4 additional loads for some bonus testing results. I had these loads planned out already, so it was just a question of making the decision and getting the press going. Using a single stage with lee dippers and a beam scale, turnaround time is very fast.

These loads are in line with the 100gr Xtreme loads I tested using HP-38. To me this would give me a good comparison between the lighter and heavier bullets.

So here are the bonus test results:


9mm, SP2022, 3.9"
Case: Ammoload
COL: 1.060"
Xtreme, 124gr, FP, HP38, 3.9gr, CCI500
Average: 938
ES: 3
SD: 1.3
Force: 242
PF: 116
Velocities: 939, 940, 937, 937, 938
Grouping @ 15yd: 0.77" (best grouping)

9mm, SP2022, 3.9"
Case: Ammoload
COL: 1.060"
Xtreme, 124gr, FP, HP38, 4gr, CCI500
Average: 964
ES: 17
SD: 7
Force: 256
PF: 119
Velocities: 969, 964, 959, 974, 957
Grouping @ 15yd: 1.85"

9mm, SP2022, 3.9"
Case: Ammoload
COL: 1.060"
Xtreme, 124gr, FP, HP38, 4.1gr, CCI500
Average: 975
ES: 0
SD:
Force: 262
PF: 120
Velocities: 975, , , , (5 rounds but pressed the delete string by accident)
Grouping @ 15yd: 1.35"

9mm, SP2022, 3.9"
Case: Ammoload
COL: 1.060"
Xtreme, 124gr, FP, HP38, 4.2gr, CCI500
Average: 993
ES: 19
SD: 7.8
Force: 271
PF: 123
Velocities: 987, 1004, 993, 998, 985
Grouping @ 15yd: 1.91"

The grouping was good for this bullet, and it seems I will definitely have to create a few loads lower than 3.9gr. This is the first time I bought these bullets, and so far it looks like I should be able to find some accurate loads. The 3.9gr load really performed well in accuracy and ES/SD numbers.

 

[Dudedog]

So much for trying to drive the 100grs hard in .357 Sig, sounds like you got a buckshot pattern.....
Nice group with the 147s though.
Seems like every now and then RMR has some of the old Hard Core plated but very spotty. Jake mentioned to me that he was having issues getting them from the supplier so I won't plan on them being available.
I like the new RMR jacketed bullets , but will miss the old HC plated bullets as I had some good loads worked up for them in 9mm and .45 and they seem to have worked better for me than some other plated bullets I had tried.

Seems like your Sig didn't care to much for the 100gr extemes, yet we know it shots very well with other bullets/loads. I have one 9mm that is much picker than the others about loads so you can never tell what guns will like.

 

[vaalpens]

I think I will probably try the 100gr RMR's one more time in 357sig just to make there wasn't something else going on. Looking back at my old data I did see reasonable accuracy, but then it started opening up at higher velocities. The last one I tested was 1335fps, where the first velocity I tested on Saturday was 1401fps. Following are the results from my previous tests:

357sig, P229, 3.9"
Case: Speer
COL: 1.135"
RMR, 100gr, HMRNP, CFEpistol, 7.8gr, SBPRSP
Average: 1230
ES: 61
SD: 22.9
Force: 336
PF: 123
Velocities: 1232, 1227, 1206, 1218, 1267
Grouping @ 15yd: 1.36"
Test Date: 01/06/2017

357sig, P229, 3.9"
Case: Speer
COL: 1.135"
RMR, 100gr, HMRNP, CFEpistol, 8gr, SBPRSP
Average: 1270
ES: 62
SD: 22.8
Force: 358
PF: 127
Velocities: 1277, 1260, 1240, 1274, 1302
Grouping @ 15yd: 1.35"
Test Date: 01/06/2017

357sig, P229, 3.9"
Case: Speer
COL: 1.135"
RMR, 100gr, HMRNP, CFEpistol, 8.2gr, SBPRSP
Average: 1335
ES: 46
SD: 17.7
Force: 396
PF: 133
Velocities: 1345, 1341, 1355, 1309, 1328
Grouping @ 15yd: 2.01"
Test Date: 02/05/2017

 

[vaalpens]

This PIF from Dudedog was actually 100 of the RMR, 9mm/357sig, 124gr, MPR JHP bullets and a surprise. I have been working on the surprise bullets but did not have any plans for the MPR bullets, until today.

I keep track of all my loads, and this week I realized I was getting close to another reloading milestone. All my loads are numbered i.e. 123-50, where 123 is the load number and 50 the number of rounds in the load. Well, this week I closed in on my 1000th load. Normally I do something special for a reloading milestone, so I thought it would be something special to use the PIF bullets to create my 1000th load.

This is my 1000th load with a picture as proof:
Load #: 1000-50
Caliber: 357sig
Case: Speer
Powder: 7.6gr of BE-86
Primer: CCI500
COL: 1.125"
Bullet: RMR, 9mm/357sig, 124gr, MPR JHP (PIF from Dudedog)
Target Velocity: 1271 fps

 

[Iroquois]

Very interesting test results. Thanks for taking the time to do them and share the information.

 

[vaalpens]

Very interesting test results. Thanks for taking the time to do them and share the information.

Thanks for the nice comments.

I have some more loads/tests to complete until I have worked through all the PIF bullets. Following is my current plan for the remaining bullets, obviously subject to change:

RMR, 357/38, 125gr, Target HP plated
No plans yet

RMR, 9mm, 147gr, Target HP plated
No additional plans yet.

RMR, 380/9mm, 100gr, RN thick plated
One load with 357sig, COL 1.135", CFEpistol 8.2gr, S&B primer to validate results against a previous load
Another load 357sig, COL 1.135", CFEpistol 8.6, CCI500 primer to see if accuracy is really that bad and bullet should not be pushed over 1400fps

Remaining bullets will be loaded in 9mm using Autocomp, 5-6gr to 5.9gr, with a COL of 1.040". This will then be validated against a previous load and the Xtreme bullets below.

Xtreme, 380/9mm, 100gr, RNFP plated
Remaining bullets will be loaded in 9mm using Autocomp, 5-6gr to 5.9gr, with a COL of 1.010". This will then be validated against a previous load and the RMR bullets above.

RMR, 9mm/357sig, 125gr, MPR JHP
I have not decided yet but the remaining bullets will probably be used to push the velocity using Longshot, and maybe also try and find another accuracy window at higher velocity using BE-86, or try something different like Unique or another powder. Time will tell.

 

[Iroquois]

The 9mm and 357/38 loads will be of particular interest. I’ll be looking forward to your testing and post with the results. Again, thanks for doing this.

 

[Summer Bell]

Loving the amount of attention to detail you're putting into your testing/results! One of the better reviews I've found

 

[Dudedog]

Welcome to THR Summer Bell
Lots of great people here.

 

[vaalpens]

Loving the amount of attention to detail you're putting into your testing/results! One of the better reviews I've found

Thanks for the kind words and welcome to THR. Since these are bullets received as a gift from another THR member (Dudedog), I try to share as much of my test results as possible since these tests were made possible by the generosity of a THR member. Please note that even though the bullets tested so far are 380/9mm (.355") bullets, some loads were for 357sig.

 

[vaalpens]

There has been progress regarding how the remaining PIF bullets will be used. I have no new test results yet, except for a non-shooting test result, but will provide the test results as soon as I have made some time to get out and do some testing. Following is an update regarding the direction I am taking:

RMR, 357/38, 125gr, Target HP plated
Based on some previous plated results I have seen, the direction for now is to load them in 38spl with BE-86. I have seen some good accuracy with FP plated bullets using BE-86, so there is no reason these bullets should not also perform well.

RMR, 9mm, 147gr, Target HP plated
For now I think I will load these up using my most accurate load in 357sig with this bullet, and then test the load at 25yards against some of my other very accurate loads. It would be interesting to see which load will will come out on top when I have this shoot-off at 25yards.

RMR, 380/9mm, 100gr, RN thick plated
The following loads have now been created and needs to be tested:
-357sig, COL 1.135", CFEpistol 8.2gr, S&B primer
-357sig, COL 1.135", CFEpistol 8.6, CCI500
-9mm, COL 1.040", AutoComp, 5.6gr to 5.9gr

Xtreme, 380/9mm, 100gr, RNFP plated
With these bullets I made a detour and used 10 of the bullets to test for setback. This test was as a result of the interesting bds thread about neck tension and setback. Since I had some of these bullets I decided to do some of my own setback testing and add some data points to the bds thread.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...sion-and-bullet-setback.830072/#post-10711217

The following loads were created with the remaining bullets, with some of them now officially pulled bullets.
-9mm, COL 1.010", AutoComp, 5.6gr to 5.9gr

RMR, 9mm/357sig, 125gr, MPR JHP
No final decision yet, but if plans work out and maybe a new 9mm gun will be purchased, then I could change from loading these in 9mm instead of 357sig.

 

[vaalpens]

I made some time today to test the 100gr RMR bullet loads in 357sig. Two loads were created.

The first load was the same as a load I tested in the beginning of 2017 with a decent accuracy. This was done to verify that the load can be accurate at a lower velocity. Based on the following results I would say that it showed that it could be reasonable accurate, at the right velocity. I just needs to be dialed in. The previous grouping at 15yards was .90", so it is close.


357sig, P229, 3.9"
Case: Speer
COL: 1.135"
RMR, 100gr, HMRNP, CFEpistol, 8.2gr, SBPRSP
Average: 1321
ES: 39
SD: 16.8
Force: 387
PF: 132
Velocities: 1305, 1333, 1344, 1316, 1308
Grouping @ 15yd: 1.11"
Test Date: 12/30/2017

The second load was the over 1400fps load where the accuracy was very bad. This was to show that there wasn't anything wrong with my testing the last time. From the following result you can see that accuracy is very bad, give a default 6" grouping if I can't measure it. My feeling is that the plating is maybe holding up since the chrono had no issues, but this powder, bullet velocity is just not accurate for me.


357sig, P229, 3.9"
Case: Speer
COL: 1.135"
RMR, 100gr, HMRNP, CFEpistol, 8.6gr, CCI500
Average: 1416
ES: 37
SD: 13.4
Force: 445
PF: 141
Velocities: 1399, 1412, 1436, 1419, 1416
Grouping @ 15yd: 6"
Test Date: 12/30/2017

In one of my previous posts I indicated that with my 1000th load I wanted to do something special and used the RMR 124gr MPR JHP PIF bullets to create 50 rounds. After my testing today where I didn't see the good accuracy I was looking for in another load, I decided to use 5 of the 1000th load rounds to test them for accuracy and verify that everything was set up correctly and it wasn't me having a bad shooting day. The following results show that you can get good accuracy when all the components work together.


357sig, P229, 3.9"
Case: Speer
COL: 1.125"
RMR, 124gr, JHP, BE86, 7.6gr, CCI500
Average: 1291
ES: 29
SD: 11.2
Force: 459
PF: 160
Velocities: 1295, 1274, 1303, 1298, 1289
Grouping @ 15yd: 0.52"
Test Date: 12/30/2017

 

[Dudedog]

Looks like it likes those MPRs and BE86

That load should work well for Zombies.

I have had very good results with the MPRs in 9mm as well.
Currently what I am using for match loads.
Kind of hate to shoot nice HPs a cardboard, but I can get them for not much more than plated.
The new RMR FN FMJs shot well for me to but I prefer not to have exposed lead at the base.

Not much point for the 100s in the Sig if accuracy falls apart a little over 1300.
Might make an ok reduced recoil load but if you want less recoil you can always shoot the 9.
Thanks again for posting.

 

[vaalpens]

Looks like it likes those MPRs and BE86

They shoot very well in 357sig. It was an eye opener for me to just take 5 rounds out of a box of 50, test them for accuracy, and then see this type of accuracy. This grouping just slotted into my #3 best grouping at 15 yards to date.

Thanks for the nice comments.