EDC/CCW: how many rounds do YOU carry?

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Ordinarily, 30 rounds. A G19, with an extra mag on the other side. Truth be told, I carry the extra mag as much to balance the weight of the pistol as anything else. That's my usual carry setup, but occasionally (like if I'm running to the store early in the morning), I'll just stuff a 5-shot revolver in my pocket, usually with no reloads.
 
Since San Bernadino, I've been carrying 3 Glock OEM 12 round 9mm magazines plus one in the pipe of my G26. Total 37 rounds. I've carried no spare mags, one spare mag most commonly a 17 round G17 magazine and 2 spare mags always in pockets. I got more serious after that incident and went to 2 spare mags on my belt. To tell the truth its easier to carry two mags on my belt than one in my pocket. I tried larger Glock mags but they were not as comfortable because G26 mags are short and don't poke me in the side. Even the +2 ones are nice and short.

As a result of the mass shooting in Newton and Hesston, Kansas and a sniper incident shortly thereafter I am moving away from a 5 shot .38. My snubby has a lot of carry miles on it but things have changed.
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A year ago I would strongly disagreed with the need of civilian needing to use surpressive fire until more help arrives. However with the Lone Wolf ISIS attacks that are starting to become common here in the U.S. and coordinated mass hostage and murders such as in France a lot of firepower in the first few minutes could well save lives by giving people a chance to escape.

Terrorism is here in America.

The first CCW class I took was taught by an active-duty sheriff's deputy. He said that 99% of civilian gun encounters are ended with 0-3 shots. That said, I would think that for a normal day a single gun on you with your reloads in your vehicle will be good. If you do get into an encounter, it will probably be with one to three persons. And the idea is to defend yourself and get away from the threat. However, I can't help thinking about that poor truck driver who stumbled into that riot, got pulled out of his truck, and was beat to death. Therefore, when going to a different city (or even on a long day trip) I have a backup on me, with a couple reloads in the vehicle.

This is the exact scenario I'm most worried about . Or coming across a Black Lives Matter protest where they have the freeway blocked and at some point begin assaulting my vehicle with my wife and kid inside. I'm considering carry an M4 style rifle with multiple magazines in my vehicle for that scenario.

Well, at least I'm not alone in my thought process of upping my round count these days.

I've always carried at least one spare mag, but I started carrying at least two spare mags and sometimes those two mags in a carrier plus a Glock 17 mag in my pocket with an X-Grip extension attached as well as having 2 spare Glock 17 mags for my Glock 26 and some loose ammo in zip-lock bag in the door of my truck after the Ferguson riots.

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When I first started carrying way back when in the 90's I started with a 1911 and another 8 rd mag as a spare. I went to a defensive pistol class sponsored by Gunsite in Big Bear, California in the 80's as a teenager and almost everyone there was using a 1911 though and there were even a couple revolvers so I didn't feel as the 1911 was lagging behind in the firepower dept. Guns just generally held less ammo then.

Fast forward to the 90's in Phoenix AZ at a class and most everyone was using a Beretta 92FS, a Glock 19 or 17, a Sig 226, a BHP or some other higher cap 9mm and I was having to reload twice as much as everyone else to accomplish the same thing and I kind of felt out-gunned. You go through mags and ammo quick on some of those drills.

In any kind of attack I'd be looking to break contact quick (let alone one where its multiple assailants who are working together), but you might not get a chance.

Hopefully the statistics hold true. Supposedly you're more likely to get hit by lightning than be the victim of a terrorist attack in America.
 
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Obviously, it depends on what i am carrying. Generally, my carry gun is a full-size 1911A1 with two spare mags, same when I carry my Combat Commander both in .45ACP. I occasionally carry a Taurus .44Spl DA 5-shot revolver, I usually only carry 5 additional rounds for that gun.
When hiking or hunting I carry a multitude of different revolvers in various calibers. Usually carry two speed loaders for the DA revolvers and 10 extra cartridges for the SA revolvers.

I also have an M&P S&W in .40cal that may work its way into a carry gun someday. A loaded magazine with two spares is pretty comforting if there is a full-scale riot. I haven't yet seen the need to keep a rifle or shotgun in my vehicle.
My son, however, carries several different hi-capacity auto-loading handguns (generally, one at a time)with spare magazines and on occasion keeps an AR with several magazines in his truck.
 
I've always said, any shootin' iron is the best one to have, when you need one! I try to keep it simple. I usually carry my Shield 9 mm, with 8 rd mag & 1 in the tube for 9 rds. I also carry a mag pouch with the 7 rd mag in it as a 'security blanket'. On occasion, if the situation calls for something a bit lighter, I pack my .38 spl Mdl 85 Ultra light Taurus in a pocket holder along with a belt holder for 2 speed loaders. Although it's not be mentioned. I only carry Hollow Point Self Defense rds. They give me that deep cuddly feeling knowing they're there.
 
This works for me. Colt's Lightweight Commander .45 ACP, with two eight round magazines. If I am unfortunate enough to be attacked by some cretin(s), if I can't shoot my way out of the situation with 17 rounds then I'd better be fast on my feet. :D



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7+1 9mm iwb, spare mag if convenient. 5 rounds .38 in the snub while running quick errands or spending all day in the car. Same for cold weather when outer garments would inhibit iwb access. A 5 round speed loader or 6 round dump pouch is usually nearby but no guarantee. I have no delusions about reloading a snubby under duress. I prefer the payload of 9mm overall but there's something cozy about a few heavy .38 slugs in your pocket when the weather cools off.

I recently purchased a CZ PCR that I would love to consider for ccw after it's been vetted. That would be a healthy 14+1 but it's harder to conceal and would require wardrobe and lifestyle changes (at least 10 lbs weight loss to be comfortable iwb).
 
My usual (90% of the time) is a saftiless 9x19mm Shield. I carry with the 8 round mag in gun, so 9 rounds total. I carry a 7 round magazine as a spare. That means in gun plus reload, 16 rounds. I also carry three knives (two of which are tools, not weapons), two photon micro lights, a phone, and the rest of the usual stuff. I carried a BUG for years but rarely do so these days.

My other carry gun (10%) is a Glock 42 for "running to the store". It is light enough to clip IWB without a belt in gym shorts or sweat pants. I toss a spare mag in my pocket for 13 rounds total.
 
I get by with 5 rounds in a S&W 696 revolver and two speed strips in my pocket or two speedloaders on my belt if I am wearing a jacket. My belief is the problem is almost certainly going to solved within the first 3 or 4 rounds and then I am getting out of there ASAP.
 
Well, at least I'm not alone in my thought process of upping my round count these days.

I've always carried at least one spare mag, but I started carrying at least two spare mags and sometimes those two mags in a carrier plus a Glock 17 mag in my pocket with an X-Grip extension attached as well as having 2 spare Glock 17 mags for my Glock 26 and some loose ammo in zip-lock bag in the door of my truck after the Ferguson riots.

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When I first started carrying way back when in the 90's I started with a 1911 and another 8 rd mag as a spare. I went to a defensive pistol class sponsored by Gunsite in Big Bear, California in the 80's as a teenager and almost everyone there was using a 1911 though and there were even a couple revolvers so I didn't feel as the 1911 was lagging behind in the firepower dept. Guns just generally held less ammo then.

Fast forward to the 90's in Phoenix AZ at a class and most everyone was using a Beretta 92FS, a Glock 19 or 17, a Sig 226, a BHP or some other higher cap 9mm and I was having to reload twice as much as everyone else to accomplish the same thing and I kind of felt out-gunned. You go through mags and ammo quick on some of those drills.

In any kind of attack I'd be looking to break contact quick (let alone one where its multiple assailants who are working together), but you might not get a chance.

Hopefully the statistics hold true. Supposedly you're more likely to get hit by lightning than be the victim of a terrorist attack in America.
I'm not sure in the real world you would be outgunned or run short of ammo in your 45 ACP 1911. You see, while the 9mm guys are putting 3 or more rounds center mass before moving to the next target one hit to the chest with a .451" 230gr bullet will probably do the job and allow you to get to the second target quickly. Of course this is all conjecture on my part but then again, so is this entire thread lol.
 
I'm not sure in the real world you would be outgunned or run short of ammo in your 45 ACP 1911. You see, while the 9mm guys are putting 3 or more rounds center mass before moving to the next target one hit to the chest with a .451" 230gr bullet will probably do the job and allow you to get to the second target quickly. Of course this is all conjecture on my part but then again, so is this entire thread lol.
Yeah, but this is on the internet though where no one ever misses, where the bullet never fails to go through a vehicle or some other cover and where everyone gets dropped with one round.

We also haven't talked about multiple bad actors working together.

Just saying I'd rather have 12 to 15 to 17 rds to work with each time I reload than 8. Plus experience has taught me that the more ammo stuffed in the gun from the get-go is pretty important as you might not be able to reload due to circumstances beyond your control.
 
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you'll be shot or have won, or have cover and not need more ammo, in less than 2 seconds, which means at most 10 rds, if you started gun in hand. If you started concealed, it means 1-2 rds for most people.
Still just conjecture. I think it will depend upon the situation. Being walked up on in the Wal-Mart parking lot by a mugger is an entirely different situation than being stopped in traffic with a mob busting out your windows and thugs attempting to drag your wife and teenage daughter out of the vehicle, now isn't it?
Or how about being hunkered down in a crowded theater or office building with 2 or more gunmen roaming the aisles and hallways looking to kill all they can?
 
I'm not sure in the real world you would be outgunned or run short of ammo in your 45 ACP 1911. You see, while the 9mm guys are putting 3 or more rounds center mass before moving to the next target one hit to the chest with a .451" 230gr bullet will probably do the job and allow you to get to the second target quickly. Of course this is all conjecture on my part but then again, so is this entire thread lol.

There's an incident where a perp took multiple hits with a .45 and remained in the fight till the officer managed to hit the brain housing group of the perp. The perp took something like 17 hits total with that last two in the BHG.
 
you'll be shot or have won, or have cover and not need more ammo, in less than 2 seconds, which means at most 10 rds, if you started gun in hand. If you started concealed, it means 1-2 rds for most people.
In most situations the presence of a gun is enough and you will not need any bullets. I don't recommend carrying that way though. Look we all assess the threat level, how much discomfort we are willing to put up with from carrying and make choices. Personally, I'm appalled at the idea of walking around with just a pocket pistol but a lot of people disagree with me. I start with the assumption I'm carrying a gun to fight with it and fight seriously if I have to. So I want a gun with at least 10 rounds of 9mm or up. I don't want it to be too heavy or have a manual safety. Being thick doesn't bother me but I don't want a long magazine because the grip is hard to conceal for me. I also think most people get surprised because they don't pay attention to what is going on around them. If its starts close then its correct that it is going to be over quick and time not rounds is what matters because you will be overcome by events. If you walk into a robbery gone bad that assumption is now out the window. If there is an active shooter that assumption is wrong. There was a shoot out a year or two ago where an older man in his seventies was involved in a hold up in a store. He emptied his 1911 through a door, hit nothing and had no spare. The robbers ran off. If one of them looked back and saw him holding a clocked out .45 he would have been dead. He was lucky.
 
There's an incident where a perp took multiple hits with a .45 and remained in the fight till the officer managed to hit the brain housing group of the perp. The perp took something like 17 hits total with that last two in the BHG.

Yeah, its the 'Reality' portion for Number 2.
[URL]http://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/when-six-is-not-enough-myths-of-the-self-defense-revolver/[/url]

In a shootout with an armed bank robber, Sergeant Timothy Gramins fired 33 rounds of .45 ACP over the course of 56 seconds. Even with no drugs or alcohol in his system, the suspect was able to keep firing at the officer after sustaining six hits to vital organs in addition to 8 non-vital hits (14). It wasn’t until Gramins fired a series of shots that struck the suspect’s head that he was taken out of the fight.

The fight will go on as long as it needs to, it's kinda like Fight Club in that way. :)

The assailant or assailants might quit and run or surrender and prostrate themselves at the mere sight of your gun or it might take a dozen well placed rds to the vital thoracic organs and then finally a shot that takes out the brain stem or spinal cord before they finally cease to be a threat.

Q : What do Michael Platt, William Matix, Raymond Maddox, Emil Matasareanu and Lester 'Baby Face Nelson' Gillis all have in common?

A : They were all bad men who were literally shot to pieces and still continued shooting at the police anyway.

One .45 rd might not be enough, it wasn't for Lester Gillis or Raymond Maddox.

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Edit : Another link to the Sgt. Timothy Gramnis/Raymond Maddox shootout ...

Why one cop carries 145 rds of ammo on the job (*Click for link*)

In this free-for-all, the assailant had, in fact, been struck 14 times. Any one of six of these wounds — in the heart, right lung, left lung, liver, diaphragm, and right kidney — could have produced fatal consequences…“in time,” Gramins emphasizes.
... before shooting him in the head 3 times...

The suspect was in the street on the other side of the car. “I could see him by looking under the chassis,” Gramins recalls. “I tried a couple of ricochet rounds that didn’t connect. Then I told myself, ‘Hey, I need to slow down and aim better.’ ”

When the suspect bent down to peer under the car, Gramins carefully established a sight picture, and squeezed off three controlled bursts in rapid succession.

Each round slammed into the suspect’s head — one through each side of his mouth and one through the top of his skull into his brain. At long last the would-be cop killer crumpled to the pavement.
 
you'll be shot or have won, or have cover and not need more ammo, in less than 2 seconds, which means at most 10 rds, if you started gun in hand. If you started concealed, it means 1-2 rds for most people.
Hmmm... herein is a good example of the difference between what is statistically likely, and what actually happens to you.

"Excuse me, sir, but I've fired two rounds and it's been two seconds. You are to have either died or run away by now. It says so right here in the manual. Didn't you read the manual?"
 
Geezz, I remember a time when 7 rounds in a 1911 was considered well armed. One 8 rounds in the same gun is being looked down on...

While everyone can cherry pick one or two examples that are the exception they will never be the norm. Pick one gun and become extremely efficient with it. Add good awareness of what's going on around you and you will be fine. IMO of course...
 
Geezz, I remember a time when 7 rounds in a 1911 was considered well armed. One 8 rounds in the same gun is being looked down on...

While everyone can cherry pick one or two examples that are the exception they will never be the norm. Pick one gun and become extremely efficient with it. Add good awareness of what's going on around you and you will be fine. IMO of course...

I would venture to say that in a great many situations 8 rds of .45 ACP are going to solve someone's problems, especially if they've taken the trouble to get some training with it, shoot on a regular basis and are extremely proficient with it. If I were forced to make a guess then I would guesstimate that it probably would be more than sufficient for the majority of bad situations.

It's just that for me since I don't have the benefit of a crystal ball and I can't foresee if any future attacker or at attackers are going to be armed with a tire iron, a Bauer .25 or if it'll be four guys armed with higher capacity 9's and .40's as well an AK or if it'll be no one at all and I'll never have another problem again for the rest of my life I'll continue to train and prepare for a worst case scenario.

2, 3 or 4 well armed thugs working together isn't unheard of these days.

I'm not going to do what I believe would be getting carried away with it and start wearing Level 4 plate armor and carrying a FN PS-90 5.7mm SBR in a backpack every time I leave the house, but I'll continue carrying a slightly higher capacity pistol than what I carried in the beginning, at least two extra mags (sometimes 3), pepper spray and a knife.
 
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When I was a young cop I typically carried either a 6-shot revolver and a pair of speedloaders off-duty (like I did on-duty), or my Colt Commander with a spare 7-rd mag (before the 8-rd mags became popular, let alone sorted out to function with that extra round).

As years passed, I upped the spare ammo for my pistols to carrying a pair of spare magazines, regardless of whether I was carrying my issued 5903 (with 14rd or 15rd mags), or my 3913 (8rd mags).

As time passed both my on & off-duty weapons changed regarding both caliber (9, .40 & .45) and mag capacity. My work pistol mag capacities dropped to 8, 9, 7 and then 8-rds. (Due to a change in issued weapons, my current one, as a reserve, is a 15+1 plastic .40 pistol.) My personally-owned pistols had (and still have) mag capacities of 12, 10, 9, 8, 7 & 6-rds. My most commonly carried off-duty weapons were one or another of my 5-shot snubs.

Yes, this was as a firearms instructor who had worked in that capacity since '90. It's not that I eschew carrying hi-cap pistols, but that I don't see it being as much of a "necessity", for myself, as some other cops & trainers. I've worked with my fair share of cops who had been involved in on & off-duty shootings, and many of them still chose to carry off-duty weapons that included small revolvers, or smaller single stack pistols. Maybe if I'd have entered the LE field after the days of revolvers had passed, and had only carried hi-cap pistols, I'd have come to feel differently.

In retirement, while I've stayed active in remaining a LE firearms trainer (I haven't taught a private citizen class since I've retired), my choice of retirement CCW's has remained mostly split among my 5-shot snubs and a pair of Ruger LCP .380's, although I'll still belt on one of my assorted 9's, .40's or .45's if I feel the risk assessment makes it prudent (meaning my planned travels and activities). When I do, the smaller pistols usually get the nod, if only for size and weight convenience.

I certainly don't presume to "judge" private citizens who decide they need to carry more guns and ammunition on their person during their normal activities than I once carried when working on-duty. Presuming it's done within the constraints of the local laws (which can vary), it's not really my business nor my concern. I don't care how much horsepower their cars, trucks and motorcycles may have, either. ;)

I do, however, often wonder whether someone who has chosen to go out in public so heavily girded has given at least as much thought to their knowledge of the laws, and the development and maintenance of their skillset, as they have to their chosen weapons and ammunition.

As a trainer, I've seen my fair share of folks who may have chosen to only carry a revolver (and perhaps a speedloader/strip) on their own time, or a single stack pistol that used 6-8 round magazines (and maybe just a single spare mag), but who could demonstrate that they were much better skilled and "prepared" to use them than many folks who carried large capacity pistols and carried the equivalent of a 50-rd box of spare ammunition.

Appreciation and confidence in good equipment is all well and good, as long as it's not misplaced confidence, meaning relying so much on the quality and quantity of the gear, that sufficiently focusing on the knowledge & skillset aspect has been neglected. The gear won't use itself, you know. ;)

Just some thoughts.
 
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If you hit them first, in the chest with a proper load, it won't matter at all what they are carrying. If you will swiftly and resolutely two of them, the rest will flee. They will want nothing to do with a guy that hands out that sort of punishment.
Confidence is great!


Every once in a while we find out selves in that luckiest of situations, where our confidence proves well founded. Of course, sometimes we're wrong and bad luck or fallibility let us down, but then it might just be our day to die.
 
If you hit them first, in the chest with a proper load, it won't matter at all what they are carrying. If you will swiftly and resolutely two of them, the rest will flee. They will want nothing to do with a guy that hands out that sort of punishment.

If only Tim Gramnis (along with any of the others on the list above or countless others) would have thought of and done that.

Oh wait, he did ...

In this free-for-all, the assailant had, in fact, been struck 14 times. Any one of six of these wounds — in the heart, right lung, left lung, liver, diaphragm, and right kidney — could have produced fatal consequences…“in time,” Gramins emphasizes.

But time for Gramins, like the stack of bullets in his third magazine, was fast running out.

It doesn't always work out like you'd think.

I once rolled on a guy who'd been in a shoot out, he'd gotten shot 3 times with a .45 ACP. Once in the left lung, once in the center of the abdomen and once in the hip which fractured his pelvis into pieces (which is the one that took him to the ground).

He still fought us all the way to the hospital while in cuffs.

And this was the guy who lost the shootout and who was the 'victim', the guy who won was this armed robber who just got released from Huntsville a short time before and who just robbed our victim for his drug stash. Our victim and his little brother shot the armed robber a few times with a .357 mag and another .45 and he still managed to get into a car driven by his girlfriend (who used to go out with our victim).

Sometimes shooting them in the chest doesn't have the desired result at that time and the window of opportunity to shoot them again is short.
 
When I was carrying I carried a total of 52 rds...or 12 rds. Usually 52. Taurus pt99afs loaded and topped off at 17+1 then 2 more 17rd mags. All in a shoulder rig.
 
Yeah, its the 'Reality' portion for Number 2.
http://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/when-six-is-not-enough-myths-of-the-self-defense-revolver/



The fight will go on as long as it needs to, it's kinda like Fight Club in that way. :)

The assailant or assailants might quit and run or surrender and prostrate themselves at the mere sight of your gun or it might take a dozen well placed rds to the vital thoracic organs and then finally a shot that takes out the brain stem or spinal cord before they finally cease to be a threat.

Q : What do Michael Platt, William Matix, Raymond Maddox, Emil Matasareanu and Lester 'Baby Face Nelson' Gillis all have in common?

A : They were all bad men who were literally shot to pieces and still continued shooting at the police anyway.

One .45 rd might not be enough, it wasn't for Lester Gillis or Raymond Maddox.

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Edit : Another link to the Sgt. Timothy Gramnis/Raymond Maddox shootout ...

Why one cop carries 145 rds of ammo on the job (*Click for link*)


... before shooting him in the head 3 times...

Thanks for the links. That's the one I was talking about.
 
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