Escape from New York: Moving out of gun unfriendly areas

Would you move specifically to leave a gun unfriendly are?

  • Yes, if I was able to, I would move ASAP.

    Votes: 195 89.9%
  • No, I would stay specifically to opose gun unfriendly laws.

    Votes: 9 4.1%
  • Gun laws aren't important enough for me to make a decision like that.

    Votes: 13 6.0%

  • Total voters
    217
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The SAFE act was the last straw for me. Born, raised, and attended school in Upstate NY, and I had every plan of creating a life there until it became abundantly clear there was no home for me politically in that state. One of the benefits of teaching is that I can find work anywhere and so I did just that. Virginia is the best thing that ever happened to my fiance and I from a happiness standpoint, economics and politics included.
 
I would love to live in California. Unfortunately, it is politically and economically insane.
 
I voted yes. I've never had to make a decision like that but given the political environment in states like New York or California I would do what ever I could to get out.
You have more reasons then gun control to get out of New York. People and businesses are fleeing the state.

That is true, but it really is tragic. There is much of NY that is beautiful country and very much pro-2A, but it is absolutely ruined by NYC. There are more pro-2A gun owners held hostage to NYC politics in NY than there are total residents of many smaller states. Upstate NY residents are held hostage by the geographic boundaries drawn up in the late 18th century.

The largest NRA state affiliate membership in the US, and we still have to bow to the whims of the residents of just 5 of 62 counties in NY state.

Just 3 years and 1 month until my youngest child graduates and I can escape with a clear conscience.
 
really

Before the NYSafe act = NY was a hunter/gun friendly STATE.

NOT new York city,that is about 1/50 th of this state.

I would move,but the wife has family here,AND in the 66 years I have lived here there are MANY friends and places that I love [ Catskills mtns,Adirondak mtns, etc ].
So moving would be giving in to the turds that have ruined this state with idiotic laws AND taxes.
I would rather FIGHT than switch .
 
Before the NYSafe act = NY was a hunter/gun friendly STATE.

NOT new York city,that is about 1/50 th of this state.

I would move,but the wife has family here,AND in the 66 years I have lived here there are MANY friends and places that I love [ Catskills mtns,Adirondak mtns, etc ].
So moving would be giving in to the turds that have ruined this state with idiotic laws AND taxes.
I would rather FIGHT than switch .
Fighting in New York is a losing battle. Your tax $ will be used to pass and enforce those insane laws. I lived in Bronx (a borough of NYC) for over 7 years. I could not even buy an air rifle (legally). As soon as I graduated, I moved to a much more gun friendly state. I still have my best friends and lots of classmates scattered along I-95 corridor from Boston to DC. I miss them, but I'll never live in that area for whatever reasons.
 
A friend recently moved to Texas so his wife could be closer to her son. He even moved his elderly mother from one nursing home to one there.
If I could get mine out of that big house of her's, I'd be gone in a heartbeat as well - probably to northern AZ or Utah.
 
Depends on the severity of the anti-gun laws in said state. I used to live in one of the most gun friendly states in America (AZ), but those laws were literally the only thing I liked about the state; and the gun-friendly laws weren't enough to keep me there (not were they what initially brought me there).

I now live in WA, which is reasonably gun friendly, but not in the top 5, possibly not even the top 10. I may very well live here the rest of my life. I grew up in the PNW, and there's simply no place I'd rather live. However, if Washington's laws someday became as restrictive as, say, California - then yes, I would make an effort to leave.
 
The thing about this type of question is the answer can vary immensely depending on the political climate of our country. I mean, in a general sense, it would nearly always be better - in the long run - to stay put and fight for your rights, than to try to find greener pastures elsewhere. Leaving will eventually lead to a situation where the problems you left followed you, because problems like these don't go away on their own, they only expand slowly over time.

The problem with staying put and fighting for your rights is sometimes that just isn't an option. Americans know there are two ways to fight for one's rights, but both ways require that a majority of one's neighbors agree. The first way is through the political process, and is the preferred method. The second way is to literally fight for your rights against those who aim to restrict them. This is, obviously, a last resort - but it is an option. When this is taken off the table as an option, Americans may as well kiss their way of life goodbye. This country was founded by men who rose up against their government, and the majority of those men believed a time would come when Americans would need to do it again. Most people don't like to talk about it, some go so far as to censor or demonize those who discuss it, but pretending it isn't true doesn't make it go away.
 
Soon i also get to say "I did it!" My wife and I both have found employment within days of each other in VA, mine's official and I'm giving NJ my two weeks notice in a few days!
 
Gun rights and gun laws are a darn effective barometer about life, politics, a state environment, mentality, etc. Anti-gun states tend to breed the same type of people, and those aren't my 'kind' of people. So living there is more than just gun rights, it's attitude. And consider this, these are your future jury of 'peers' if you ever did have to use a gun in self defense and were arrested/prosecuted. Would you rather have a jury of average New Yorkers or Texans when it comes to self defense with a scary looking gun?

What's more important to someone... a job, moving the family, pleasant or particular weather or a 'scene,' or exercising an important fundamental right?

I choose exercising a right over nearly anything else.

True story. I could have stayed in the military and was nearly 1/2 way to retirement. The 'hard' years were seemingly behind me.

Yet looking ahead, I saw doom and gloom in my future in the military. First of all, forget easy gun possession on base, and a total ban on any form of concealed carry. That effectively disarms a person for his travel to and from base, and all day on base, and any official travel. Also, the future holds assignments almost certainly in Washington DC, Hawaii, California, New Jersey, Maryland, etc.

I would have to effectively abandon most or all of my gun collection, and register the remaining collection were I to bring it, for probably 1/2 of the next decade... (a decade in which I think we will see serious societal turmoil).

So, where would I store all of my stuff? How? At what cost?

I made a huge life decision to leave the military because it is basically like living in an oppressive NY, CA, DC, etc... A state, or an employer, that doesn't trust me with a firearm is nothing I'm wanting to be associated with any longer.

We have the amazing freedom of firearm ownership... why would ANYONE not want to live somewhere they can exercise it... I don't care how nice the weather in CA is or the 'history' in Boston, or the east coast, etc... no thanks.

I'll take my freedom over that any day.

BTW, I was worried that WA state would be oppressive, but it's amazingly a very pro-gun state. Easy and cheap concealed carry, face to face sales okay, SBRs, Suppressors, no magazine restrictions, no registration, few silly gun rules to speak of (a 5 day handgun wait on FFL purchases if you don't have a CPL - which while stupid is meaningless because you can buy a handgun FTF through the classifieds easier and cheaper, and if you have a CPL there is no wait at an FFL).

I had thought I would move from here after leaving the military, but I'd say it's among the best states for gun rights I've ever lived in.

Regarding sticking around in a hopeless state to try to fight the political fight, like NY or NJ or CA... it's always an option, but do you want to spend the next decade, or two, or three, disarmed and hassled as a gun owner when there ARE greener pastures...? It's a tough question. Sure someone has to do it... but my attitude is that some of those areas will only learn by being a 'crash and burn' example for the rest of the nation to see and hopefully learn from.

You can argue until you're out of breath with an anti-gun person, but until they SEE their failed policies they won't agree. So some of these places just need to go through the growing pains of electing these idiots, implementing their useless policies, oppressing the serfs, and watching crime soar. That is the best teacher. I suppose it boils down to whether a person wants to be a martyr or simply live his/her life in harmony, happiness and armed peace.

And what does a pro-gun person accomplish living in a hopelessly anti-gun state anyway? I'd suggest very little. A single vote in a sea of opposition. Meanwhile, a person is paying 40-50% of their income in tax revenue to the very officials and bureaucrats and police forces and judges that are oppressing the 2A. So a person living there is paying to oppress himself, and suffering the consequences. No thanks.

Take Houston and Chicago. Equal size cities, with similar demographics. Houston is pro gun and relatively safe, while Chicago is anti-gun and a war zone. I don't see how staying in Chicago would change anything, other than making a pro-gun person miserable and defenseless.

So, hopefully, other cities look to this and don't want to be Chicago. That lesson of failure of gun laws does more than all the talking on the subject combined.

I learned that you have to pick your battles wisely. Sticking around on a sinking ship like those anti-gun locations is not how I'd want to spend my days, angry and defenseless.

But as we've seen with many huge changes in various causes, HUGE swings can take place in just a decade or two... so the nation can look totally different with public opinion in just 5, 10, 15, 20 years. Abortion, Gay Rights, Gun Rights (like concealed carry, AWB, etc.).

Here's a political map from the 1984 election, just 30 years ago.

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THe gun laws again are just a symptom of the bigger problem.

This. I wouldn't want to raise my family around the idiots that vote for the people that make the oppressive, controlling laws that are also common to anti-gun states.
 
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I am tremendously grateful that I have never had to make that choice. Here in Utah, the gun laws are extremely pro 2A. I also live less than 10 miles from most of my family. I am less than 10 minutes from 3 indoor and 2 outdoor ranges, less than 30 minutes away from multiple large and small game hunting areas and, most important, there is a seven eleven and church on every corner:)
 
I ran across this article the other day and noticed that 6 of the top 10 states which people most want to vacate are very gun unfriendly. Of course at least one of the states (Hawaii maybe Colorado) which people don't want to vacate is also gun unfriendly, but most of them are gun friendly.

Just to be clear, while Hawaii is certainly "unfriendly" to legal gun owners, and it not "shall issue" for ccw, Colorado is NOTHING like Hawaii. It is still "gun friendly", and shall issue with few gun restrictions overall. Yes, they passed some anti gun legislation recently, but the 15 round mag restriction is unenforceable, and the two politicians largely responsible for the new gun laws have been recalled, and thrown out of office.

Colorado is still "gun friendly", and is nothing like Hawaii, nor other very gun restrictive states.
 
I will be moving to Maine within the next year. I'm originally from Md, wasn't into 2A, just wasn't exposed growing up. After living and enjoying VA since 2008 the wife wants to move north to be with her fam in the Boston area. Mass, Conn, RI are out. NH and Maine are in, more than likely Maine and Ill get to take my toys with me.
 
I moved from WNY (Buffalo) to Florida in '81. I pulled the plug on my business, sold what I could at a loss and have never looked back. I was fed up with the crime, corruption, restrictions, taxes, and anti-business political attitude. My WNY friends and relatives who continue to stay there are mostly trapped financially (or by family) and don't see a way out. Their approach to all the daily tyrannies they suffer is to keep a low profile and not call attention to themselves. "Go along to get along."

New York State is a lovely place (well, except for the long winter) but dominated by New York City politicians with the aid of the S.O.B.s in Albany. The education system there brainwashes and indoctrinates the young into becoming like the "Eloi" protected and supported by their political masters. Absolutely no point staying and trying to change the situation there. Vote with your feet and with your pocketbook. Deny the oppressors access to your hard-earned resources. At one point they will run out of other people's money and collapse.

"Government like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearsome master." George Washington
 
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I did it, and was formulating at lengthy reply, but LeadCounsel (post 36) said what I wanted to say (and so much better). I left nice weather, beaches, sailing, almost year round motorcycle weather for the very frigid, very upper midwest and haven't looked back. Thirty degrees below zero with friendly, real American* neighbors seems much warmer than the balmiest day "back east".



*One of whom is of African descent and a couple of whom look to be Hispanic--I am talking about a neighborly attitude and a lack of desire to stick their noses in my business, not skin/eye/hair color
 
I would and I did, I moved out of Massachusetts years ago. I just packed up and left and wound up in Oregon. I could not be happier. :)
 
Another NY escapee

Not due to gun laws ...but I visited the PNW...Seattle. Immediately fell in love. No super cold winters, no super hot summers, more relaxed. After 47 years in NY, packed up, moved...That was 2007 and the only thing I miss

  • NY Pizza
  • NY Bagels

That's it. Period.

WA has it right and pertaining to guns, open carry, concealed carry with permits and no purchase limits.

I have successfully adapted to the Pizza and Bagels
 
I look at the first list and see lots of states with high taxes, high cost of living, and bad winters. CT, for example, #2 on the list, has been cited by a national magazine as the #1 worst place in the country to retire to. They factored in taxes, poor weather, heating costs, etc.

I believe thinking that most people choose to leave because of gun laws is erroneous. Very few people will leave a place if they have a high paying job or close family ties, regardless of gun laws.
 
Just to be clear, while Hawaii is certainly "unfriendly" to legal gun owners, and it not "shall issue" for ccw, Colorado is NOTHING like Hawaii. It is still "gun friendly", and shall issue with few gun restrictions overall. Yes, they passed some anti gun legislation recently, but the 15 round mag restriction is unenforceable, and the two politicians largely responsible for the new gun laws have been recalled, and thrown out of office.

Colorado is still "gun friendly", and is nothing like Hawaii, nor other very gun restrictive states.

Yeah, people keep mentioning Colorado in these gun law discussions. I live in Colorado. Would someone please tell me just what "gun laws" we have here that are so heinous and restrictive?

There's the new law banning the sale of 15+ capacity magazines. BFD. That doesn't affect 15+ mags that you already owned, and nobody's going to approach you at a range demanding to inspect your magazines for capacities or mfg. dates.

There's the background check law, but we've had background checks for years anyway. Called a Form 4473. This really only affects private sales, which I agree is a PITA, but not a reason to move over.

Denver and Boulder have ordinances prohibiting open carry, but it's legal everywhere else if you desire to do so. I can count on one hand the # of times I've actually seen anyone OC.

So, what other terrible gun laws does Colorado have? I'm drawing a blank.....

Frankly, the asinine "legalization of marijuana" and all the stupidity surrounding that is more of a reason for me to leave CO than any gun laws. That whole mess is going to spiral out of control in many directions, and soon. But that's another story.
 
So, what other terrible gun laws does Colorado have? I'm drawing a blank.....

I think the registration/UBC law you mentioned is enough. The way I interpret this, my brother that lives half a mile from my other brother can no longer loan a rifle for hunting season, or even for a single day without a background check and giving $35 to an FFL (and then another $35 to get the rifle back). Seems like a big deal to me.

I guess the limits on standard capacity magazines are OK with you since you've already got yours, or you feel that you won't be prosecuted? That sounds kind of selfish to me.
 
I voted "Yes" because my wife and I are leaving CA in 2016 after we both retire - initially relocating to the Portland/Vancouver WA metro area, and possibly staying for the long-term if we like it.

As others have noted, restrictive gun laws usually go hand-in-hand with generally bad government. But the biggest problem with CA is that is has gotten over-crowded to the point where all of the benefits (good weather, lots of beautiful public land, interesting things to see and do) have been over-whelmed by the number of people. The roads and public transit are crowded, all but the most remote hunting and fishing locations are crowded, everything requires a reservation. And because so many people are trying to do the same things, the prices for all those things have gone up. The single biggest factor in leaving CA is the cost to buy a home. My wife and I have both rented all our adult lives and if we want to buy a house in CA, we will basically have to work the rest of our lives to pay for it.
 
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