External extractors on 1911s

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that small extractor is also cheaper to machine than the original design, and the difference I guarantee you is more than .02!

True Spring Steels, like 1075, 1095, 6150, or even 4340 are tough to machine. When heat treated after machining, some distortion occurs and truing will be required. Much better if you can just take Pre-hardened low alloy steel, like 4130 and just cut it and be done.

It's even cheaper yet if you MIM it, but Mim extractors have been notoriously unreliable.

Colt has publically stated they have gone back to barstock. What alloy and how hard I don't know.

It ain't broke and don't need fixing.:neener:
 
re: Slurry

Is your CLP/JB mix recommended for guns with Parkerized finishes? if so, I might try it.

Sure. It'll polish any metal to metal surfaces that it's used on. Since
the areas won't be visible anyway, use it. The slurry doesn't remove
enough metal to create any more clearance. It mainly hits the high spots and polishes.

Thanks for the good words about these posts. Since it's all out here on a
public forum, and none of it is copyright protected, share it with anybody that you want to. Most of it is little things that I've either picked up from
somebody else along the way, or just the result of trial and error that worked. You can bet dollars to donut holes that none of it is new.

On that Para extractor...:rolleyes: It seems to me that somebody is
always trying to "improve" something that, if they'd just stick to the
original design parameters instead of complicating things unnecessarily,
they'd find that it would work just fine. In other words, they've reinvented
the wheel. That extractor may well work perfectly...but the point escapes me. It would seem that the only advantage is to keep from having to
tune it before installing it...A labor-saving device maybe...Likely an
expensive one at that.

Cheers!
Tuner
 
On the matter of the new extractor from Para, it seems to me that almost everyone would welcome an extractor that never has to be tuned to function properly while not detracting from the 1911 design. It is my understanding that the entry hole in the back of the slide is the same size as it always has been and there is no way you can tell the difference from looking at this new slide from the outside. Given that nothing can ever be designed from the outset to be 100% and even though the 1911 is as close as you get, I believe improvements that can prove themselves to work better than the weaker links in any design, should be a welcome advancement.
 
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bluesbear wrote
When something is advertised as "New & Improved" it usually turns out to be just one or the other if either.
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Right up there with "Good....Cheap....Fast. Pick any two."
 
No Tuning Required?

Leghorn said:

almost everyone would welcome an extractor that never has to be tuned to function properly while not detracting from the 1911 design.


We sure would...except that nothing is ever ideal. In an ideal world, everything would be in-spec without tolerances being required. Since
we know that there is no such thing as a perfect dimension, those tolerances are needed. In order for one part or accessory to work in
all pistols...be that a magazine, an extractor, hammer, sear, etc...all
pistols and all parts would have to be not only in-spec, but exactly the same. This is why we have glowing reports of Brand X magazine being
the best there is, and another report on that same magazine in a different pistol being worthless.

A part that doesn't lend itself to adjustment will eventually run into a pistol that won't respond to it. As long as you have an extractor that can be bent, straightened, shaped, and modified, you can usually get it to work.
The essence of fine-tuning is the ability to adjust things and make them work.

It seems to me that if the manufacturers would simply stop trying to outsmart ol' John Moses and stick to his specifications on the extractor, that
most of the problems we see today would disappear, and the part would
still be cheaper to make than this one or the AFTEC...even if they had to
train their personnel to pre-set the tension before shipping.

Just my nickel's worth...YMMV

Tuner
 
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