matai
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Hey, what is your favorite .22lr conversion for the 1911?
I'll be getting one soon, so just trying to get as much info as I can.
I'll be getting one soon, so just trying to get as much info as I can.
Favorite 1911 22 Conversion
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I just bought the Kimber. It's too early to evaluate it. I need a few more shooting sessions. I did buy it from Cabelas. They have a 60 return policy. Not sure if I'm going to keep it, return it or sell it. Every one says Marvel. I might order one.
I wrote my review on the Kimber. I did like that it was readily available. Also, Kimber said they will stand behind it indefinitely.
I wrote my review on the Kimber. I did like that it was readily available. Also, Kimber said they will stand behind it indefinitely.
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Bailey Boat
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IF you can get your hands on a gen 1 Marvel it's unbelieveable, if not go for a gen 2 and you won't be dissapointed..
mljdeckard
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I like my Ciener, but I'm not under the illusion that I'm not getting exactly what I paid for. I think that all conversion kits require some break-in, and they like hotter ammo.
I'm seriously considering building a dedicated 1911 frame for the kit with a lighter mainspring to be able to cycle more kinds of ammo.
I'm seriously considering building a dedicated 1911 frame for the kit with a lighter mainspring to be able to cycle more kinds of ammo.
GodGuns&Guitars
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Kimber Unit
Here is my assetment of the Kimber unit. If mounting it on a Kimber it is a good investment. I don't know how it works or stacks up mounted on a different vendors pistol as I have no experience with that. You need high velocity ammo otherwise failures can occur. Shooting Remington "Game Loads" accuracy is dicey. Shooting CCI or Winchester High Velocity ammo accuracy is great. Same hole all day long. The slide will not lock back after the last round so if that is something you expect won't happen. Ease of change out is good, and cleaning is not any more hassle than cleaning any other 1911. I've had mine a couple of years now and have been very pleased. Hope this helps. Pictures attached.
Unit mounted on Kimber ProCarry II.
Unit separate and broken down.
Unit assembled ready for mounting
All in all I have been very pleased with mine.
Here is my assetment of the Kimber unit. If mounting it on a Kimber it is a good investment. I don't know how it works or stacks up mounted on a different vendors pistol as I have no experience with that. You need high velocity ammo otherwise failures can occur. Shooting Remington "Game Loads" accuracy is dicey. Shooting CCI or Winchester High Velocity ammo accuracy is great. Same hole all day long. The slide will not lock back after the last round so if that is something you expect won't happen. Ease of change out is good, and cleaning is not any more hassle than cleaning any other 1911. I've had mine a couple of years now and have been very pleased. Hope this helps. Pictures attached.
Unit mounted on Kimber ProCarry II.
Unit separate and broken down.
Unit assembled ready for mounting
All in all I have been very pleased with mine.
The Wiry Irishman
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I love my Marvel Type I. Took almost a full brick of HV stuff to break it in, but now it runs flawlessly as long as you don't load more than 7 in a mag. This might be bothersome for some, but I use it for a bullseye gun, so I never load more than 5 anyway. I've heard that people have better luck with Kimber or Marvel polymer mags. (I have a pair of the metal ones) The kit is supposed to be very picky about ammo, but so far its cycled everything I've fed it, including subsonic. The test target it came with was .990" at 50 yards. So far my best is 1" at 25. Its had at least two cases through it now, possibly more. Money well spent.
ETA: The comp is an excellent investment. The extra weight at the end makes the gun balance more like a real 1911 (the kit is aluminum) and it totally eliminates muzzle rise.
ETA: The comp is an excellent investment. The extra weight at the end makes the gun balance more like a real 1911 (the kit is aluminum) and it totally eliminates muzzle rise.
matai
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So are the only kits to lock the slide back after the last round the Ciener and AA?
Also, whats up with Cieners website? Pretty shady to me, seems like if they fixed it up a bit and had a phone number and email address they'd get a lot more business. I mean, who mail orders anything anymore?
Also, whats up with Cieners website? Pretty shady to me, seems like if they fixed it up a bit and had a phone number and email address they'd get a lot more business. I mean, who mail orders anything anymore?
The Wiry Irishman
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Marvels don't lock back.
I'd do a couple searches for "ciener customer service" before you think about ordering from them.
I'd do a couple searches for "ciener customer service" before you think about ordering from them.
mljdeckard
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If you get a Ciener, don't get it from Ciener. Get if from somewhere like Brownell's or Midway who will take care of you if something goes wrong. No I wouldn't ever try to actually talk to Mr. Ciener under any circumstances.
Mac Attack
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Colt Ace.
Eightball
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I was debating a similar issue, and got the Kimber unit to go on my (you guessed it) Kimber 1911. It's been very accurate, and problem-free (aside from ammo-related issues). Very nice adjustable rear sight, and allows for adequate training, with lots of fun factor built in! 
porschedog
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I have a Colt conversion kit. It has excellent sights and functions 100%. Best of all, I got it cheap!
matai
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I sure don't like the idea of the slide not locking back, but I guess I really should be counting my shots.
Vern Humphrey
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Colt Service Ace. This is the version with the floating chamber. It locks back the slide, has great adjustable sights and gives more recoil (important if you're using it for an understudy for a full-up .45.)
matai
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On STI's website, the 22 kit said its designed by Bob Marvel, but that's cool that the slide locks back on this model.
So I would think the accuracy should be about on par with the other Marvel kits, but with the addition of the slide locking back... very interesting
So I would think the accuracy should be about on par with the other Marvel kits, but with the addition of the slide locking back... very interesting
The Wiry Irishman
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If I remember correctly, the STI kits are rebranded Marvels, and the Kimbers are rebranded Cieners.
matai
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But the ones on the marvel website do not lock the slide back. So there's gotta be a little difference.
The Wiry Irishman
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Yeah. Also the ones on the STI site are designed like Marvel Type Is but priced like Marvel Type IIs.
ETA: The difference may just be in the slide stop. That's all that is preventing the slide from locking back in the marvel kits. Since the slide stop is steel and the slide of the kit is aluminum, locking the slide back on the last round would booger up the slide stop notch, so the Marvel kits come with a stop that won't lock the slide back on the last round. (You can, of course, lock it back manually to show clear) I'm guessing the STI kits either have a steel insert in the slide stop notch, or an aluminum slide stop.
ETA: The difference may just be in the slide stop. That's all that is preventing the slide from locking back in the marvel kits. Since the slide stop is steel and the slide of the kit is aluminum, locking the slide back on the last round would booger up the slide stop notch, so the Marvel kits come with a stop that won't lock the slide back on the last round. (You can, of course, lock it back manually to show clear) I'm guessing the STI kits either have a steel insert in the slide stop notch, or an aluminum slide stop.
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been thinking of getting one for my pro carry ....hope it will ''same hole all day long'' as you stated !Here is my assetment of the Kimber unit. If mounting it on a Kimber it is a good investment. I don't know how it works or stacks up mounted on a different vendors pistol as I have no experience with that. You need high velocity ammo otherwise failures can occur. Shooting Remington "Game Loads" accuracy is dicey. Shooting CCI or Winchester High Velocity ammo accuracy is great. Same hole all day long. The slide will not lock back after the last round so if that is something you expect won't happen. Ease of change out is good, and cleaning is not any more hassle than cleaning any other 1911. I've had mine a couple of years now and have been very pleased. Hope this helps. Pictures attached.
Unit mounted on Kimber ProCarry II.
Unit separate and broken down.
Unit assembled ready for mounting
All in all I have been very pleased with mine.
matai
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But doesn't the slide locking back make for better practice and habit building?
In IPSC competition one of the first things you learned is to try very hard to never shoot the gun until empty. In other words, if you're using say a 7 round mag count six rounds, dump the mag and insert a new one. That way the last round from the mag is now in the chamber, the slide does not lock back and the mag is ejected empty and replaced with a loaded one. This makes for a faster reload. If anyone at a match shot the gun until it was empty you could hear people snickering behind the line. It also helped me when I shot both 1911s and revolvers, shoot six - reload. I know not everyone is into the IPSC thing but I think that always having a round in the chamber makes more sense than having to change a mag AND rechamber a round. Most of us also modified our 1911s so that the slide would never lock back. If it can lock back on an empty mag it can lock back on a partial mag. I have seen guys lose match stages when their gun locked back with rounds remaining in the mag.
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