"p238 isn't a 1911. Neither was the Mustang it's based on."
Orly?
http://www.snubnose.info/wordpress/reviews/what-defines-a-1911-pistol/ For you reading pleasure.
"OK, that’s what it was in 1911 when the Army Ordnance board adopted it as the sidearm of the U.S. Armed Forces. It was a single-action .45 caliber semi-automatic with a 5” barrel. Life was simple then. In the mid-1920’s it went through some minor changes, mostly involving the trigger and beavertail, and became the M1911A1. All the while, Colt was producing a “Government Model” for commercial sales to civilians which closely matched the form of the G.I. gun. But, in 97 years of its life, the design has experience some “mission creep.” It has been built with 3”, 3.5”, 4”, 4.25”, 5”, and 6” barrels. 8, 10,14 and other capacity magazines have been built for it. It has been chambered in 9mm, .38 Super, .40 S&W, 10mm, 9×23mm, and other cartridges. Yet, the pistol remains a “1911”. What is it that remains consistent through all of the myriad variations?
In this observer’s humble opinion, the defining characteristic of the M1911 pistol is its action. That which does not change across all of the design permutations is the action which is single and the grip safety and the manual or thumb safety. If the pistol has these characteristics, it is a 1911. Without them, it is not."
Granted this is an opinion like evrything else on this board.
OK, that’s what it was in 1911 when the Army Ordnance board adopted it as the sidearm of the U.S. Armed Forces. It was a single-action .45 caliber semi-automatic with a 5” barrel. Life was simple then. In the mid-1920’s it went through some minor changes, mostly involving the trigger and beavertail, and became the M1911A1. All the while, Colt was producing a “Government Model” for commercial sales to civilians which closely matched the form of the G.I. gun. But, in 97 years of its life, the design has experience some “mission creep.” It has been built with 3”, 3.5”, 4”, 4.25”, 5”, and 6” barrels. 8, 10,14 and other capacity magazines have been built for it. It has been chambered in 9mm, .38 Super, .40 S&W, 10mm, 9×23mm, and other cartridges. Yet, the pistol remains a “1911”. What is it that remains consistent through all of the myriad variations?
In this observer’s humble opinion, the defining characteristic of the M1911 pistol is its action. That which does not change across all of the design permutations is the action which is single and the grip safety and the manual or thumb safety. If the pistol has these characteristics, it is a 1911. Without them, it is not. Here’s a diagram of the action:
BTW: I really like that Kimber loop.