Favorite Modern Battle Rifle: Beside AR or AK
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HorseSoldier
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Personal favorite that I've actually shot, besides the two in the title -- toss up between StG-44 and FAL.
surbat6
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Another vote for the HK91. Mine is reasonably accurate, amazingly reliable and chambered for a cartridge that turns cover into concealment. The last magazines I bought for the HK cost $1.99 each.
I do miss my Steyr AUG A1, though...even though it was one of them poodle shootin 5.56's.
I do miss my Steyr AUG A1, though...even though it was one of them poodle shootin 5.56's.
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Having never trained for combat, don't know.
But there is something very special and solid about my M-1 Garand.
But there is something very special and solid about my M-1 Garand.
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stevelyn
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FAL or Daewoo K2.
sturmgewehr
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Probably the handiest would be the Vz.58. It's very small, light, exceptionally reliable, reasonably accurate and fires the .30 caliber 7.62x39 cartridge. It's the best kept secret in the world of military long arms.
sansone
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dionysus is right, I retract the R25 for being too similar to an AR.. resubmit: BAR & m14
InkEd
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I am surprised by the votes for the BAR. It is a very fine gun BUT very heavy.
(I picked an 8lb Sig55x rifle, so it's not like I'm a lightweight rifle only guy.)
So far it looks like the FAL has slight lead over anything else. The CETME variants trail closely behind with the Garande/M-14 placing third.
I am curious why anyone would take the Garande over the M-14 for combat.
Both shoot powerful cartridges and have a similar feel. (I would think for combat the extra capacity would be an easy winner.)
(I picked an 8lb Sig55x rifle, so it's not like I'm a lightweight rifle only guy.)
So far it looks like the FAL has slight lead over anything else. The CETME variants trail closely behind with the Garande/M-14 placing third.
I am curious why anyone would take the Garande over the M-14 for combat.
Both shoot powerful cartridges and have a similar feel. (I would think for combat the extra capacity would be an easy winner.)
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I choose the Accuracy International AW50 & the Cheytac M200 Intervention .408
I have all three the third being an M1A. I'd have no reservations about using it for whatever situations arise, although the other two would be lighter, quicker and smaller to tote around.
I had a Garand, but as I was trying to consolidate my firearms and ammo, I decided I didn't need it, the M1A just does more.
I had a Garand, but as I was trying to consolidate my firearms and ammo, I decided I didn't need it, the M1A just does more.
FN SCAR. It uses a common military caliber, and is still in use with SOCOM.
What works better than all the old relic .308 guns is that all the operator's controls are where they should be. You can load the weapon on safe with the bolt back, charge it with the off hand, keep the target in your sights, and flip the safety off without breaking the cheek weld or even moving the finger from the trigger.
We are talking about combat, right? The the best gun has to do all of the above, while moving. If you take your hand off the grip, or break the sight picture, FAIL.
Just because some nations are still 45 years behind in tactical doctrine doesn't justify their acceptance of lesser weapons. And those countries that did move forward adopted weapons with more of the ability to charge the weapon on the move with a sight picture. It's a telling mark to recommend a weapon that's been superceded long ago.
User friendliness and tactical operations are the keys now, not big bulky old rifles with arbitrary controls that slow the user down. We don't use cell phones with rotary dial.
What works better than all the old relic .308 guns is that all the operator's controls are where they should be. You can load the weapon on safe with the bolt back, charge it with the off hand, keep the target in your sights, and flip the safety off without breaking the cheek weld or even moving the finger from the trigger.
We are talking about combat, right? The the best gun has to do all of the above, while moving. If you take your hand off the grip, or break the sight picture, FAIL.
Just because some nations are still 45 years behind in tactical doctrine doesn't justify their acceptance of lesser weapons. And those countries that did move forward adopted weapons with more of the ability to charge the weapon on the move with a sight picture. It's a telling mark to recommend a weapon that's been superceded long ago.
User friendliness and tactical operations are the keys now, not big bulky old rifles with arbitrary controls that slow the user down. We don't use cell phones with rotary dial.
InkEd
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No, we don't use rotary dials on phones anymore BUT people send text messages. IMHO the text message is kind of a step backward. Think about it.
Telegraph:
Tap out a message (in Morris Code) to another telegraph machine. Send it wait for reply. Repeat.
Telephone:
Say what you want to the person on the other end. Get instant feedback.
Text:
Type out what you want to "SAY" and send it. Wait for response. Repeat.
Seems like a step backward to me. Thoughts?
Telegraph:
Tap out a message (in Morris Code) to another telegraph machine. Send it wait for reply. Repeat.
Telephone:
Say what you want to the person on the other end. Get instant feedback.
Text:
Type out what you want to "SAY" and send it. Wait for response. Repeat.
Seems like a step backward to me. Thoughts?
Maverick223
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You may already know this, but it's also based off of the Stg.44.sturmgewehr said:
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Not really. Except for the tilting bolt, the Vz.58 owes very little to the Stg44. The Vz.58 uses a short stroke piston, striker fired FCG and machined receiver. The Stg44 used a long-stroke piston permanently fixed to the bolt carrier, hammer fired action, hinged fire control group, stamped receiver and had a recoil spring located in the butt.
In what way does the Garand provide an advantage over the M-14?
I guess a better way to phrase this is why would you pick it over the M-14?
SpeedAKL
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FN SCAR-H. Potent cartridge, excellent 21st century design.
Text messaging is a lot more appropriate for certain situations. It's often seen as acceptable when a phone call would be very rude, such as when speaking would be disruptive, or when a conversation must be kept private.
sansone
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the key word is "favorite"
Pony Express
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M14...without a doubt. Next $1500 that I come into is going to an m1a
Maverick223
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I disagree, the tilt bolt is a significant feature as is the striker firing mechanism (early development of the Stg., the MKb.42, later replaced by a hammer firing mech.), which obviously owes its heritage to the Stg.44. You are right that there were numerous design changes (mostly improvements), but I believe the foundation was the Stg.44.
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