Favorite Modern Battle Rifle: Beside AR or AK

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i'm glad to read a thread that that excludes the AR and AK. thanks OP :)

i've always liked the FAL. when i was a kid i remember drooling over any pic i could find of one.
i have the same reaction now when i see the SCAR-H. to me it looks like the FAL on steroids. the fact that it has been adopted for US service nudges it to the top of the heap of favorites. i have never owned or fired either (or most mentioned here) but i could could be happy staring at the SCAR all day.
 
Shear_stress said:
However, the Vz.58's combination of tilting bolt and short stroke piston--and even the design of the rear receiver cover--was something that could very easily be attributed to the SKS.
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What tilting bolt? The Vz.58 bolt doesn't tilt or rotate. The bolt is locked in place by the locking piece which cams up and down as the bolt carrier moves backwards and forwards. It's a brilliantly simple design and one of the reasons why I bought one.

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The vz58, cz-(fill in the numbers), HS2000/XD there is little arguing that the Czechs make some real nice firearms!
 
The bolt is locked in place by the locking piece which cams up and down as the bolt carrier moves backwards and forwards.
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You are correct. I was a little hasty in my description.
 
The vz58, cz-(fill in the numbers), HS2000/XD there is little arguing that the Czechs make some real nice firearms!
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I won't argue that the Czechs don't make some fine weapons, but the HS2000/XD was designed in another eastern European country, Croatia.
 
Since the AR doesn't count ... and technically the SiG-556 isn't a battle rifle, my favorites platforms are the Daewoo Ar110C, HK-93 and AUG

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Sig PE57 and stg90.

Also FN Scar, G36, VZ58, and FN Fal.

IMHO the Sig PE57 is the Rolls Royce of battle rifles, in 7.5x55 Swiss of course.
 
Since the AR doesn't count ... and technically the SiG-556 isn't a battle rifle, my favorites platforms are the Daewoo Ar110C, HK-93 and AUG
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I like the general look of the Deawoo's, but that collapsible stock just doesn't work for me. I wouldn't mind one with a fixed stock, or a side folder if they build such a thing.
 
I like the general look of the Deawoo's, but that collapsible stock just doesn't work for me. I wouldn't mind one with a fixed stock, or a side folder if they build such a thing.
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Ahh...... But they do. Unfortunately they are no longer imported due to Bush 41. I have a K2 side folder. The fixed stock is the Clinton thumbhole abomination called the DP 200. The last one I saw in skAnchorage was at AK Shooters Supply about 2 years ago.

It would be nice if they started importing parts kits.
 
I own two AR-15 rifles, original ones made by Colt. I also own a Remington 7400 carbine in 30.06 with ten of the Eagle 10 round magazines. If it was a real battle, I would pick the 7400.
 
I can't believe nobody has mentioned the MAS-49/56

Yeah they got a bad rap because of the Century hackjob .308 conversions, but the original 7.5 rifle was an infantryman's dream.

Rock-solid reliable, every part is overbuilt, good sights, accurate, yet it is still light and handy. Easier to take down and clean than a AK, DI system with very few moving parts. And it is has one of the best rifle grenade launching systems ever put on a battle rifle, with good sights for both direct and indirect fire, AND came with night sights... in 1956!

The French may not be the best at using rifles, but they have some of the best weapon designers in the world.
 
Are we definiing "battle rifle" as any military-type rifle or carbine or as a military-type rifle that fires a high-powered (i.e. greater than 7.62x39 or 6.8SPC) round such as 7.62 NATO?
 
Battle rifle? I liked L1A1 but never used it in battle, same goes to my favourite "assault" rifle Sa vz.58..

Maverick223 said:
Okay then...the VZ.58 is based upon the SKS, which owes its heritage to the Stg.44. Better? :p
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Ever heard of ZK 412 and 8mm Rapid (8x35mm) of 1941?;)
Its interesting how many people once learned "vz is not ak" start to seek what it was derivated from insted of excepting the fact it is original;)

p.s. If bolt tilts on your vz, you should better send it to gunsmith coz it shouldnt tilt;)
 
Its interesting how many people once learned "vz is not ak" start to seek what it was derivated from insted of excepting the fact it is original
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No way those Czechs could come up with something good and original...just kidding, just kidding. :p

p.s. If bolt tilts on your vz, you should better send it to gunsmith coz it shouldnt tilt
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Despite the improper technical jargon, that is typically how the mechanism is described.

:)
 
Although not technically a battle rifle, I love the Paratrooper SKS. Yes, I know that it was never officially issued by any army. Still, I would trust one in combat. Thankfully, I have never had to fire any shots in anger.
 
I am curious why anyone would take the Garande over the M-14 for combat.

Both shoot powerful cartridges and have a similar feel. (I would think for combat the extra capacity would be an easy winner.)
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I would pick a Garande over an M1a, and probably over the M14. I admit that I only have "book" knowledge of these, have never been in a firefight, have never undergone any real training, and if I say anything that is wrong, inaccurate, or misleading, by all means, correct me:

IIRC, both the Garande and the M14 are very acurate guns, with the M14 being a bit more accurate. They are both powerful and fast rounds, with the 30-06 being a bit more powerful than the .308. The differance in power and accuracy is small, and (YMMV) either way, the lower end of one variable is still well above what is needed to get the job done.
I don't know very much about tactics, techniques, or tricks of the trade when it comes down to using one rifle or the other, or even combat in general. My tactics are going to be limited to running to cover where I can fire from. I'm not going to be making these spectacular 1,000 yard shots, I'm going to be point/instictive shooting - not because thats the best way, but because I'd be so wired I would going off of reflexes, muscle memory, and instinct - so the added acuracy of the M14 isn't going to do me much good.
That little bit extra bit of force from the 30-06, the ability to penetrate cover a little bit more, and semi auto only fire would emphasizes my (almost nonexistent and imagined) strengths.

As for magazine capacity, I'm a clumsy guy. I'm going to drop magazines, so I'd rather not have all my eggs in the one basket. Also, since I'd be doing reloads in practice with the Garande, I'm less likely to screw that up. I do have kind of a soft spot for the Garande, so its very likely that these are all justifications to support that choice, instead of data that lead to that choice.

Sorry I was so long winded and incoherent. As always, opinions or corrections that contradict me will be met with open ears.

Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson
 
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