FBI nieghbor - Wyatt Earp or Just Careful?

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I have a new neighbor that is FBI. We haven't met, yet, but my wife has bumped into him and his wife.

The guy carries a sidearm, unconcealed, 24X7. That fact doesn't bother me in and of itself.

But I can't help but wonder what his motivation is for open carry. Is it possible that he has "put away" unsavory individuals that might try to take revenge on him, and he's using open carry to discourage these people? Or is it more likely that he wants to be seen as "a man among men," and is countering some sort of self-esteem problem?

As I mention, I haven't met him, yet, but plan to do so soon. I hope he turns out to be a gun enthusiast, and not someone that "just carries because he has to." I'm curious what others here know about federal LEO's off-duty habits.
 
He does it because he has a right to?

I'm not questioning his rights. My question is why he'd give up the tactical advantage of carrying concealed. It's seems foolish.
 
Only known a couple...

The couple agents who I have known were SOOO hesitant to reveal so, that I basically had to "pester" to be able even to see a badge. They were both so extremely low-key that I was truly, deeply impressed. They were humble, modest...they were congitively as-sharp-as tacks too! Neither ever open carried. Perhaps a reflection of the changing times.

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Third_Rail said:
He does it because he has a right to?

He doesn't have a "right" to, he has a "privilege". If it was a right we would all be doing it.

Cops have no more rights than the rest of us.
 
my father is a local cop, he open carries often(when he carries at all:banghead: ) when i asked him why he simply said "it is most comfortable for me and i am allowed to".he hates iwb and ankle holsters are against dept regs. (too many lost pistols from cheap holsters) we do not have open carry in new york. you can actually loose your ccw if someone sees your pistol, (ie coat opens, shirt comes up) they can report you, good bye permit:fire: :fire:
 
I agree with Rick. There could be any number of reasons, from the benign to the arrogant. When you get to know him, you'll know where in that range he is.
 
You guys are right. I guess I won't know until I get to know him.

Place your bets. I'll post back with his reason, if our conversation gets that far.
 
Here in Louisville in the heat of Summer I see detectives carrying openly at times. Dressed nicely with a tie and going about their business. I don't have a problem with it but I'm sure some people get nervous and flustered around one of these officers. Civilians with carry permits must have the gun concealed.
 
Maybe he is an enthusiest and he is trying to make the sheeple comfortable with open carry to make life easier for his non-LEO neighbors...

There is simply nothing resembling enough information to form any opinion on him whatsoever.
 
There are many LEO's that believe the presence of a badge and firearm in public lead to a reduction in crime merely because of the presence, keeping the thought in the criminal mind that they are "everywhere".

I don't have a problem with that. When everyone carried openly there were not nearly as many incidents as there are today. He may well believe he is helping, and he may be right.

Regardless of what you see in the movies, people were not drawing down on each other on a daily basis back then.
 
OOPS! First of all, you haven't even MET the guy, but you claim that he carries his firearm exposed "24/7"! While you MAY have seen him a few times, when he wasn't wearing a suit or sport coat, I doubt VERY seriously if he carries an exposed firearm CONSTANTLY! Now, if you can honestly say that you've followed him from his home, and have observed him entering local stores with an exposed firearm, that might be a BIT different!

The majority of local/state/federal law enforcement agencies require CONCEALED carry for either off-duty or "plainclothes" assignments. If your new FBI neighbor is carrying exposed "24/7", then he is in direct violation of FBI regulations.

My guess is that you PROBABLY have seen him without his suit/sport coat when he was entering/exiting his vehicle on his PRIVATE property driveway. Perhaps he DOES, for one reason or another, want to "advertise" that he is armed....but it COULD be that he inadvertently exposes it because he has figured out that the majority of his new neighbors already KNOW that he's an FBI agent.

When I bought the house where I live, back in 1973, I had been a police officer for 2 years. While still in the moving-in process, I hadn't met ANY of my new neighbors so, as far as I knew, none of them knew that I was a police officer. Well, while UNARMED and unloading a rented U-Haul truck on the driveway, a pre-teen girl rode by on a bicycle. She saw me pushing a heavy cart up the driveway, and as she pedalled by, she yelled out, "Hi, Mister Policeman!" That caught me off guard, but I gave her a friendly "Hi!" in return.

After we had completely moved into the house, my wife and I introduced ourselves to many of the nearby neighbors. NONE of them knew that I was a police officer, but ALL seemed pleased to have us as new neighbors. After about one year, I learned that I wasn't the only law enforcement officer in the neighborhood, but that didn't surprise me.

About 3 years ago, when a young married couple bought the house next-door to ours, my first contact with the husband was just a few days after they had moved into the neighborhood. He was about to get into his car, and the first thing that I noticed was his EXPOSED handgun! I paused for a brief moment, wondering how to approach the situation, since I was NOT armed. I didn't know a THING about the man, but he was wearing a pair of suit pants, a white dress shirt and a tie. He had his suit coat draped over his arm as he stepped toward his car, and I instantaneously "registered" it in my mind that, even though he was armed, he didn't pose any threat to me. Well, he WASN'T a LEO, per se, but had a CCW permit. I stepped over to him, introduced myself, and learned that he was a prosecuting attorney for one of the local cities.
His CCW permit had been approved due to his prosecution activities involving gang members! We have since become very good friends, even though he is no longer a prosecuting attorney. His current "specialty" is within corporate law....and he no longer qualifies for a CCW permit. He says that he misses being armed!

Having spent 31 years in local law enforcement, I have dealt with FBI agents countless times. They're "different", that's for sure, but I've met several FBI agents that were decent folks. They learned a BIG lesson about thinking that they were "superior", just because they were FBI agents, when the Miami, FLA, shoot-out took place. That incident "humbled" them, and caused them to re-think their tactical deployment training.

I still think of the FBI as "College boys with guns", but they've come a LONG way since the days of J. Edgar Hoover (I still can't figure out why Hoover gave the ORDER that agents couldn't make left turns while driving FBI vehicles!).

Hopefully, your new FBI neighbor will turn out to be a "decent" person. On the other hand, it sounds like you have done some "generalizing" about him and his "24/7" style of exposed carry! Heck, you might find out that he only carries an exposed weapon "22/7"! (OUCH! I just bit my tongue!)
 
I didn't realize I had to provide proof and background on every assertion I make in my posts.

I can't say he open carries 24/7 wherever he goes. But I do know he always open carries when in public view within the neighborhood. Having met several other longterm members of the neighborhood, each has said this man always carries an exposed sidearm, whether walking with his wife, or raking leaves in the yard. On the 3 occassions I've seen him outside, he has been carrying on each of the 3.

In my original post, I'm very clear that I don't have a problem with him carrying open. I also mentioned that I hope he turns out to be a gun enthusiast, someone with which to hit the range, talk shop, etc..

My question was why he'd elect to open carry.
 
Here in VA you can open carry in a bar but can't carry concealed even with the CHP. Further, LOTS of detectives/parole officers/etc carry open with business suits and with badge exposed/clipped to belt. I'm sorry, but I just don't care if you open carry only if you attempt to intimidate or actually point the gun at me. That would not be cool. We've had several folks open carry into the shop where I work 2 days a week and it simply is NOT an issue.

That said, why is it an issue to you?
 
That said, why is it an issue to you?

It's not "an issue" to me. As I've mentioned twice now, I don't care what he does.

My question is simply why someone would open carry when they could carry concealed, from an off-duty LEO perspective.
 
My question is simply why someone would open carry when they could carry concealed, from an off-duty LEO perspective.
I'm not a LEO, but here's my take: comfort, department policy, personal peragotive. Any or all of those are possible.

Plus, the whole notion of a tactical advantage to concealed is dubious. Sure, open carry gives up the element of surprise, but it also may keep the perp from acosting you in the first place. Drawing from an open carry position is usually faster too (no need to sweep cover garments).

Bottom line is, it's (presumably) his choice and I'd use it as a means to start a conversation with him, rather than question his motives on an internet forum.
 
But I can't help but wonder what his motivation is for open carry. Is it possible that he has "put away" unsavory individuals that might try to take revenge on him, and he's using open carry to discourage these people? Or is it more likely that he wants to be seen as "a man among men," and is countering some sort of self-esteem problem?

Maybe he enjoys having people like you wondering? :D
 
If you simply start carrying openly in your neighborhood yourself, it might become a fashion statement. If enough of your neighbors do it, you might just scare the crooks away.
 
Ok, it's settled then. Around noon tmw I'll saunter up to his front door wearing a black cowboy hat and a Colt SAA.

When he comes to the door, I'll announce: "Law don't go 'round here.":scrutiny:
 
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