Fedex can bite me

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Chuck Perry

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I shipped out a pistol today that I sold on this forum. This was the first I've shipped on my own without an FFL, since learning that this is legal to do. I had the obligatory "No, you can't do that" conversation with the shipping depot clerk. Thankfully they had web access, so we were able to clear it up with a stop on Fedex's website and a confirmation phone call. Only took half an hour of my time. Then I got hit with the bill. By Fedex's policy, you have to ship a pistol Priority Overnight. $55 and some change! Good lord! That's just for Fedex shipping, nothing extra for the shipping depot (another $5 for them for packaging.) I could have dropped it off at my dealer and let him handle the hassle for the exact same amount. UPS was $45, but they are dealer to dealer only now. I should have just lied and shipped it some other way cheaper, but stupid me I tried to be the stand up guy. Oh well, live and learn.
 
That's wierd, I've sent a couple guns by FedEx priority overnight recently and it was about $35 for both. :confused:

No extra packaging charges either.
 
It was PA to CO, so I don't know if that makes a difference. I, too, had heard it would be around $35 so I wasn't too concerned going into it. The deal had already been sealed, so I had no alternative. Hopefully my experience will help some other guys out. I know I will do things differently in any future sales.
 
FED-X

Since when is UPS only dealer to dealer? I have shipped guns with them recently that I sold online and there were no hassles. Packaged them up myself, told them a handgun was enclosed and away it went. I am not a dealer and as far as I know being a dealer is not required. You can send your handgun to a gunsmith,etc. for repair so why can't you send the gun from a private sale to a dealer. From what I have read, Smith-Wesson uses FED-X all the time to pick up handguns to be sent in for repair. The only way i see a problem at UPS or FED-X is if you have an untrained person at the counter.
 
On the UPS website their stated policy is dealer to dealer only. Apparently some service centers either don't know that or don't care and allow it. Consider yourself lucky if that's the case at your service center.

brad cook
 
You probably got billed for their super-fast there-before-9am delivery or whatever it is. Technically you can use Next Day Air Saver, which is still next day air, but the delivery is only promised to be before end of business.

Kharn
 
Go through the local UPS store - they handled a transfre of a CETME POS straight from my house to the dealer in PA. No hassle, no trouble.
 
I never go thru places like Mailbox ect. and the likes. Too many times I have had a discussion about why I can send firearms to FFL's and manufactures and they insist that I cant.

So I go directly to a FedEx or UPS store instead. Never had a problem with them.

I know there are folks out there that dont have that option and have to use Mailbox ect and the likes. Just make sure you have some literature from FedEx or UPS showing that you can send it.
 
Kharn is right. There is Priority Overnight (the most expensive), and then there's Standard Overnight (or Super Saver Overnight, or whatever they call it). The only difference is that the Priority Overnight will get there a couple of hours earlier than "regular" overnight. That, and a $20 shipping charge difference. It usually costs between $28-$35 to ship a handgun via "regular" overnight (excluding insurance).

P.S. To clarify it a little better, FedEx has 3 or 4 Overnight methods, and the only difference (other than price) between them is time of day they are delivered by (9am, 12pm, 3pm, etc.). Always go for the slowest overnight available (unless you really have to have that gun to your buyer before 9am).
 
Here's a couple of suggestions also:

- Always, repeat always, fill out another pc. of paper with the shipper and recipient's addresses on them, and place this INSIDE the pkg. With any shipping company, when the pkgs. circumvent the labyrinth of conveyor belts in their stations or hubs, pkgs. have a tendency to lose the sticky airbill pouches. Once this is gone, the pkg gets placed into an overgoods area, where it'll sit for awhile until someone does research on it. If the pkg. is opened the paper will be found and a new airbill is generated.

- In addition to filing out an airbill, write the airbill number on the box where it's visible, and not covered by anything. This way, (with FedEX at least) if the airbill pouch is removed, the info can be found by way of accessing the airbill number.

- When pkging. your firearm, after placing the airbill into the sticky pouch and placing it on the pkg., place pcs. of pkging tape on top of the pouch to keep it held down securely. (See above)

- When filling out the airbill, DO NOT write something like Scattergun Tech, Clark's Guns, Jardine's Gunsmithing, etc. Write an acronym which isn't obvious, or just simply write an individual's name and the address. Sure, several people at the location station will know who it's going to since they know the area and deliver there, but not everyone in the system handling your prized handgun will know that it's likely a firearm.

- Pkg. your firearm SECURELY. Place in the stock plastic box it came with, then place an absorbing (shock, water) material next to it and then into a FIRM (not, a reused flimsy box) rigid outer container or box. Don't use one that's been used several times already and will probably break open once other boxes have been placed upon it.
Remember people, yours is not the only box in the system! There are thousands more, each pkg. nicely or not so nicely. They travel miles of conveyor belts and are handled by many people (some gorillas) usually under many time constraints. Pkgs. are loaded/or built tightly into air shipping containers and are therefore placed on top of others to MAXIMIZE the space of the container. Containers, after being completed, usually weigh more than vehicles.

- Purchase the shipping insurance for your firearm. It's worth it.

- Always ship (if overnight service) so the pkg. will arrive before or on Fri. Never tender to the freight company on a Fri, unless you paid extra for Sat del. Otherwise, the pkg. will be with the company longer, allowing extra time for any of those bad things you sometimes hear about to happen. Theft, loss, damage, etc.

- If the pkg will be traveling during a wet season, or to or from a wet area, consider placing some sort of plastic bag around your inner box. It's not unheard of for pkgs. to get wet during their time at stations, hubs, airports, etc, during loading or pkg. handling. Cardboard will just soak it up, and then this increases the chances for your box to come apart (see above) and lose the contents.

That's all I can think of at the moment, perhaps more later. :)

EricO
 
only makes sense

The reason behind priority overnight by 10:30 in (AA) areas and 12:00 in (AM) areas,or standard overnight by 3:00 in both the AA-AM areas is they want to deliver the pistol as soon as possible.2-3 day service requires a overnight stay in their facility and they dont like those types of pkgs staying overnight because of security and liabilty reasons.AA areas and AM areas are based on how far they are by zip code to the nearest major city.I service 1 AA area and 4 AM areas.
Prices based on weight and service and the amount you insure it for.
You can package your package as well as the Mailboxes ETC,UPS store and all the various other shippers can.Theyre the ones that clip you.FedEx and UPS will come to you house and pick up your pkg for a small fee, generally $2.50-$4.00.
FedEx is the higher of the 2 main stream shipper.But with price comes service.
 
Can someone post the info on using UPS/FedEx to ship a pistol w/o using an FFL? I'm going to be shipping a Springfield here in the next week or two...

Thanks!

Travis
 
Lol on the Alabama. If someone would be kind enough to point me to the info on this...preferably the FedEx rules as well as the ATF points on the subject.

Thanks!

Travis
 
I tried to ship a handgun through one of the "UPS Stores" (formerly Mailboxes etc.). They said they WILL NOT ship guns. Is this just a local franchise policy or is it company policy?

Steve
 
Some of us are :)

It actually isn't that hard ( at least in my part of Florida), with the exception of the local city zoning -- I am fully operational working out of my house, *except* I cannot do 4473's or background checks as the Feds say you have to come to my place of business to do them, and the city ordinances say you cannot. Maybe in Spetember, things will change....

If you are interested in becoming a dealer, I can look up where I got my info from; just email me...

Keith
 
If they ask what you are shipping just tell them its a "lead particle distribution device". Not technically a lie but you will get to ship your gun alot cheaper that way, I know a few people that have done just that and had no problems...

THAT IS VERY ILLEGAL.

In reference:

In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract
carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 2)( A) and 922( e), 27 CFR 178.31]

ATF reference to having the word "firearm" listed on contents

Kenneth Lew
 
I went to a FedEx owned shipping site. Priority Overnight was only $5 than Standard Overnight? Other than the guy thinking it had to be Priority, I had no problems. I told him it was a firearm shipping to a dealer and that was that. I didn't even bother going to a shipping outlet like Mail Boxes Etc, since they are not FedEx, they shouldn't be touching the box anyways.
 
I think attitude is everything!

I've shipped dozens of pistols through Fedex and UPS and only had two minor problems. The UPS clerk wanted to open the package to make sure there was no ammunition inside. I told her rather rudely :D that I spent ten minutes packing it up safely and that I was late for class and if she wanted to she could on her own time! She just said, here's your receipt and put the package in the back, out the door I went. :D

I shipped a few other firearms while she was still working there and didn't have a problem again. :D Her supervisor took a look at the FFL copy one time though....

One time a Fedex clerk asked me if the firearm was disassembled. I said, "Yes, I read the rules." "Ok." LoL! :D

Yea, like I'm gonna break it down into 97 pieces for your dumb @$$! :rolleyes:

I usually ship them overnight saver or "standard", which tends to shave $20 off of the price, the gun gets there in the afternoon instead of the morning. Big whoop. 95% of the time the clerks don't know the difference.

Most of the pistols I've shipped out lately have been around the $36-$37 mark with insurance.
 
I tried to ship a handgun through one of the "UPS Stores" (formerly Mailboxes etc.). They said they WILL NOT ship guns. Is this just a local franchise policy or is it company policy?


Well I think those outlets are different. The official UPS policy as stated on their website is that they only ship firearms from dealer to dealer but some of the UPS customer counters (not the UPS Stores) will do it even if you're not a dealer.

brad cook
 
So is that how people are shipping pistols w/o an FFL...some of the UPS places just don't know you can only go FFL to FFL?

Travis
 
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