Finally, it is here. The inevitable NJ ban on handguns.

[Stebalo]

Originally published at the New Jersey Coalition for Self Defense web page:

http://njcsd.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=295&Itemid=9

Assemblyman William D. Payne (NJ-29,D) has authored a bill for the 2006 legislative session, which would, "Prohibits the sale, importation, possession and carrying of handguns except by certain authorized persons."

I am still digesting the bill but am immediately struck by the redundancy of the synopsis. Sale, importation, possession, and carrying of handguns are ALREADY prohibited except for certain authorized persons.

After my first reading of the bill, in a nut shell it would:

1) Prohibit you from bringing a handgun into this state under pain of felony. Section 12 does allow for some minimal protection under the FOPA but this poor guy would probably be enjoying a taxpayer funded 5-year vacation in New Jersey complements of the taxpayers.

2) Disallow you from keeping a handgun in your home or place of business

3) Limit pistol purchase permits to only the enumerated persons in section N.J.S. 2C:39-6 (police, military, national guard, federal LEO, etc) that previously exempted persons from N.J.S. 2C:39-5 weapons possessions rules. The only exceptions would be:

a) Members of pistol clubs. Upon purchase, the weapon will not be given to the buyer but will rather be delivered to the management of your pistol club will it will be stored at all times

b) Those persons exhibiting "justifiable need" which as we all know is already a farking joke when it comes to the NJ shall-issue rules. NOBODY qualifies for justifiable need in this state. NOBODY . Justifiable need would still require the same two-stage process as a concealed carry permit. First you must convince your chief of police or state police that you need one, if they approve, you then get to try to convince a superior court judge that you do in fact have justifiable need. How many concealed carry permits have been issued in New Jersey? According to Clayton Cramer, only about 300 with most of those going to retired LEO, not to people demonstrating justifiable need.​

Anyone losing their qualification to possess a handgun has 5 days to surrender it and along with its certificate of ownership (see next item) to your chief of police. Or if you notify the police you intend to transfer it to a qualified person, you have 60 days to do so.

4) Require you to obtain a "certificate of ownership" for each gun you own. IE, mandatory registration that needs to be renewed every three years.
This bill makes me absolutely nauseous. What a hateful piece of vomit.

There is not a single, reasonable thing about it. This is modeled after UK and Australian gun control in the worst fashion.

 

[LawDog]

How good of a chance does this bill have?

LawDog

 

[Nathaniel Firethorn]

Stuff like this gets introduced every session.

- NF

 

[Stebalo]

I hope you are right. I try to keep up on the legislation they throw out there but there is so much of it.

 

[Nathaniel Firethorn]

If it escapes from whatever committee it was referred to, then it's time to worry. For now, it's just time to watch.

The history:

A812: 1/10/2006 Introduced, Referred to Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee
A1523: 1/13/2004 Introduced, Referred to Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee
A1177: 1/8/2002 Introduced, Referred to Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee
A51: 1/11/2000 Introduced, Referred to Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee
A55: 1/13/1998 Introduced, Referred to Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee
A129: (Not on the web, but you get the idea...)

- NF

 

[Stebalo]

Ok,you are right, Payne proposed this bill last year as well

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2004/Bills/A2000/1523_I1.HTM

Sorry to overreact. I'd never heard of this particular one before.

 

[LAR-15]

If this were to pass this would sink the 'smart gun' law passed with much fanfare.

Because then virtually nobody who would be subject to smart handguns could own them and the program to research them in NJ would collapse.

The cops did not want them and fought to be exempted (and were)

So why bother with creating smart guns nobody will own?

They can't ban handguns until they get 'smart guns' up and running.

 

[crazed_ss]

Sometimes I hear stuff from other states and think CA isnt that bad.

EDIT:
... what am I saying.. CA still sucks too

 

[YellowLab]

Every year in Congress some nut also submits a bill to remove the 2nd amendment.. never goes anywhere.

 

[22-rimfire]

I don't understand why these people are elected in the first place? Even to introduce the bill to me is significant as it must have some support. All it will take is a few publicized incidents nationwide and you would get bills like this introduced in many states which saddens me. The Federal Gun Control Act of 1968 was introduced and passed following the assassinations of JF Kennedy and RF Kennedy, and the shooting of ML King. The Anti's try to take advantage of any opportunity to push forward their cause which is the outright elimination of all firearms from private ownership.

 

[Standing Wolf]

The Anti's try to take advantage of any opportunity to push forward their cause which is the outright elimination of all firearms from private ownership.

They're carrion feeders.

 

[progunner1957]

I say "F New Jersey." If I were unfortunate enough to live there, I would pack up and move to another state with warp speed. There are states that actually do not have a bunch of socialist antigun bigot scumbag politicians who make it their mission in life to P1$$ on the Bill of Rights.

Indiana may be "flyover land" and we who live here may be thought a bunch of sister marrying, sheep loving Deliverance hillbillies by the "sophisticated and enlightened" Demosocialists in places like NJ, but I'll tell you one thing: When I cock up my 1911 and strap it on, I know I'm more free than the people who live under forced disarmament in places like NJ.

So there, By God!!

 

[MinMAN]

I say "F New Jersey."

I agree with you progunner1957. If I were surrounded by a bunch of sister marrying, sheep screwing scumbags such as your self. I would be packing my 1911 24/7 too. "Cocked and locked".

 

[carnaby]

Prohibit you from bringing a handgun into this state under pain of felony.

I wouldn't bring a day old dog turd into NJ, so there's no problem with that. NJ may as well secede from the union and join Canada. We'll take Alberta and BC in trade

 

[MinMAN]

Those with glass houses.

 

[carnaby]

Like, I don't get it

 

[bumm]

The danger of these assinine laws for those of us now living in reasonably free states is that one of the best reasons for a politician to pass a law, (or some state board to make regulations,) is that someplace else has them. In the long run, we all have to fight the good fight.
Marty

 

[MinMAN]

The danger of these assinine laws for those of us now living in reasonably free states is that one of the best reasons for a politician to pass a law, (or some state board to make regulations,) is that someplace else has them. In the long run, we all have to fight the good fight.
Marty

Exactly! Good Man Marty!

 

[perpster]

NJ Hollow Points

That NJ politician seems to be making a very hollow point.

 

[armoredman]

Sure there is CCW in NJ! Any mobster can carry CCW any time he wants!

Gad, but leave that hole, and come out to the great Southwest, where open carry is legal, and waiting periods measured in minutes.

 

[geekWithA.45]

Even to introduce the bill to me is significant as it must have some support.

Not necessarilly. Legislators often introduce bills they know are hopeless so they can stake out certain ideological territory, pacify some consituents, and later on go to them with a sob story, "Waaah! I tried to ban handguns, but those meanies in Trenton wouldn't let me."


In a similiar vein, there are good guys in the NJ legislature that file "repeal the FID laws and go shall issue" every year, knowing that the gesture is equally futile.

 

[ball3006]

Geezzzzz......

now the handgun market in the rest of the country will be flooded with cheap handguns driving down the value of what I have.............I guess you could sell them at a nice profit to the folks in new york or DC......chris3

 

[CoachVince]

If this were to pass this would sink the 'smart gun' law passed with much fanfare.

Because then virtually nobody who would be subject to smart handguns could own them and the program to research them in NJ would collapse.

The cops did not want them and fought to be exempted (and were)

So why bother with creating smart guns nobody will own?

They can't ban handguns until they get 'smart guns' up and running.
The "smart gun" law pretty much WILL be a handgun ban.

It will make decent citizens turn to illegal guns as safer options.
No one will want to rely on a battery-authorized gun, so people will be left with their father's service pistol in the attic, or the one their uncle kept when he retired from the force (just hypothetical examples, no one really would do that...).
NJ doesn't need a handgun ban, they probably just want NJIT to get it's act together and show something for all the research $$$ they've been getting.

Yes, I want to leave NJ. But I can't decide between 5 acres in West Virgina NOW, or 80 acres next summer (money issues, ya know?).