Flash Mob, How Do You React?

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If you're in a Walmart or in this case a Sports Authority and a Flash Mob hits the store while you're shopping What is the safest response?

Should you try to leave the store? Should you try to hide in the stock room? Do you move away from the area that's being hit and hope you're not noticed? Do you head for another exit?

How would you react?
 
In the videos I've seen, the thieves are concerned with grabbing merchandise and running away. Violence involved only when staff or customers try to stop them. I'd move away from the area, not get involved, stay alert, and feel relatively safe.
 
Unless me or mine are actually threatened, I'm moving out of the way and letting the mob pass.

The problem with mobs is you never know how they're going to react...and they have the numbers on you.

The problem with self-defense circumstances is that the government will come down just as hard, sometimes harder, on people who legitimately used deadly force for self-defense as for anybody else. And unlike thugs who don't have two nickels of their own to rub together, I have a duty and responsibility to contribute all my nickels (and other things, tangible and not) to my family. The government would gleefully see to it that every nickel I have would line the pockets of those I'd need to defend me against the government.

So...nope, I'm moving to a more defensible position, as far out of the mob's way as I can get, and let them do their thing.
 
I was going to say the reality is I'm highly unlikely to get caught in the middle of such a flash mob. But there's been a story in the news recently that Target is closing nine stores in four cities due to this type of retail theft.

One of the things that they mentioned in the story as a targeted item is high end laundry detergent and OTC Cold remedies. According to the story these things are sold by the case and then they turn up in small the story says bodegas in the same city or resale markets.

So the point that I'm trying to make in this is that it's not just likely to happen while I'm buying a new iPhone (which I wouldn't anyway). It really could happen in Walmart or Costco and it really could happen in an aisle that I'm in.

I would probably treat this the same way I would an active shooter event and try to move away from the commotion towards the nearest exit.

I most certainly would not attempt to engage the thieves.

 
I shouldn't have to post this reminder but once again people are thinking that they are talking with their buddies over an adult beverage after a good day of shooting instead of posting witty quips on an internet forum where they will be there for anyone to look at and make their own judgement as to what you meant....FOREVER! We've already deleted several of those ill advised posts.
 
Avoidance first and foremost, I haven’t been in WM since they stopped selling handgun ammo.
We have most of our groceries delivered but we decided to go to the store for bananas because if you have them delivered the pickers just grab the crappiest bananas that they have and throw them in your bags and by the time you get them they're banana sauce.

Generally when I go to Walmart I walk in and go straight to the bananas, then I go and check for my wife's favorite lunch meat, then I go check the day old Bakery aisle and then I leave
 
Since I seldom frequent any stores where the local population would contribute to supporting a 'flash mob' of theft/robbery suspects, it's not like I give this a lot of thought. However, if I were to be present in a business that was being victimized, I'd not seek to confront or delay any of the suspects. I'm no longer carrying an active LE badge, after all. Not my circus. I'd move away from the attention of the miscreants, and out any exit, if available. Common sense.

I wouldn't interfere with anything the store and its employees might do, either. Obviously.

I'd likely make a good witness at some later point.
 
Unless me or mine are actually threatened, I'm moving out of the way and letting the mob pass.

The problem with mobs is you never know how they're going to react...and they have the numbers on you.

The problem with self-defense circumstances is that the government will come down just as hard, sometimes harder, on people who legitimately used deadly force for self-defense as for anybody else. And unlike thugs who don't have two nickels of their own to rub together, I have a duty and responsibility to contribute all my nickels (and other things, tangible and not) to my family. The government would gleefully see to it that every nickel I have would line the pockets of those I'd need to defend me against the government.

So...nope, I'm moving to a more defensible position, as far out of the mob's way as I can get, and let them do their thing.
and the redistribution of wealth be praised as partial and just reparations :(
 
I read a post on another forum by a person whose wife and daughter were apparently at a store that experienced this. From what he said his family was walking in as they were walking out. According to his wife the thieves walked right by her and her daughter like they weren't even there. they paid them no mind whatsoever
 
History has shown time and again that be it natural disasters or man-made violence, those who see the early warning signs and make a quiet exit are the best off. If leaving is somehow not an option keeping your head down and blending in and staying anonymous is the best course of action.

Those who don't keep their heads down end up losing them.
 
Depends on what I can get to. If I am close to an exit, I am not above using a fire exit to get out of a situation where glass and doors are being broken for thugs to steal. If I am close to a dressing room, bathroom, or some other area of the store where I can lock the door that is my alternative to getting out of the building. My position and situation in the store will determine how I react. Lethal force should always be a last resort. But if you are backed into a corner, giving robbers every chance to stay out of your path, you better fight like the third monkey trying to get on Noah's Ark.
 
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Best to move to a area of the store that is not under attack remember that you may not be the only person armed and the others may not be legal or care either. If you do engage without experiencing direct contact with the looters i/e getting punched/pushed down chances are they got a lot more firepower than you do. That is definitely not in your favor or chances of survival.
 
Consider this, also:

Criminal attacks with respect to robberies/theft have shifted a bit in recent times. In days past, the primary object of a robbery theft was the material aspect of the act. "Get the goods", as it were. Violence may have been threatened, but was generally to be avoided for a variety of reasons such as taking extra time which increases the odds of getting caught or increasing the penalty if one does get caught.

To be sure, there have always been a portion of such individuals who were prone to violence. And an even smaller portion who are true psychopaths.

But there has been a shift towards more such acts including violence for the sake of violence these days.

I have yet to read the book "Facing Violence", by Rory Miller, but I did run across an article (link at the end) which talks some about it. In his book, he categorizes predators into two basic types:

Resource predators: These are people pretty much looking only to steal material items. You watch, the stuff in your car/house, merchandise in stores. These people typically take up the largest portion of predators as a whole.

Process predators: These are the fruitcakes who revel in victimization, causing pain, misery, and even death of their victims. The don't care about getting your compliance, they care about causing you physical harm. These people make up a much smaller portion of predators as a whole.

But there seems to be a growing portion of the predator population who want both your stuff AND to physically harm/kill people in the process.


WHY?

My non-authoritative opinion is that this is an outgrowth of the whole "race card" mentality that has been on the upswing in the last decade. I used quotes here because it's more than just that...it's the increased politicization we've been seeing, the Social Justice Warrior attitudes prevalent on the internet, and a number of other issues.

These acts are creating intentional schizms in society. Racial divisions, sexual divisions, political divisions, etc., with each of the sides encouraged to view others as "the enemy" and dehumanizing them through various means.

When people start viewing others as less-than-human in their own eyes, acts of violence become both justified AND easier to commit.

This is EXACTLY the same kind of training you have to put people through in order to get them to the point of being able to kill the enemy in combat. Disassociate the enemy from humanity, make them a statistic, and suddenly it's easier to kill the enemy.


And therein lies the problem.

In a flash mob of a store, PRESUMABLY the people involved are resource predators. But you can't count on ALL of them simply being in it for the material goods. Odds are SOME of those people at least have a significant leaning towards the Process Predatory side. How many, and how significant we can't know. In a mob action, it wouldn't take much to swing a mass store robbery into a very massive violent encounter, especially with more and more people being groomed towards those ends.


When a flash mob happens like hypothesized, you CAN'T RELIABLY PREDICT how the mob will act from one instant to the next. The mob may be a frenzied act of mass theft in one instant, then break and evaporate the next. It could turn into a violent destructive event tearing the store apart. It might involve arson. They may suddenly turn on store security...or customers. You might be the "one straight white male white supremacist" in sight of some very angry individual and suddenly you're under mob assault.

You. Can't. Know.


Avoid the mob as much as possible. Move to a better position of safety, a more defensible one. Get that cell phone out and call 911. Make preparations to defend yourself if required.

Avoid, to the best of your ability, the need to actually use deadly force. Not only because taking a life is a very serious thing, but because that could, in itself, be the trigger for a mob response you cannot hope to survive unscathed.


 
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This leads me to a device that is seen in Douglas Adams's book Life, The Universe and Everything. It relates to an S.E.P. field.
An S.E.P. can run almost indefinitely on a torch or a 9 volt battery, and is able to do so because it utilises a person's natural tendency to ignore things they don't easily accept, like, for example, aliens at a cricket match. Any object around which an S.E.P. is applied will cease to be noticed, because any problems one may have understanding it (and therefore accepting its existence) become Somebody Else's Problem. An object becomes not so much invisible as unnoticed.

A perfect example of this would be a ship covered in an SEP field at a cricket match. A starship taking the appearance of a large pink elephant is ideal because you can see it, yet it is so inconceivable, your mind can't accept it. Therefore it can't exist, thus ignoring it comes naturally.

An S.E.P. can work in much the same way in dangerous or uninhabitable environments. Any problem which may present itself to a person inside an S.E.P. (such as not being able to breathe, due to a lack of atmosphere) will become Somebody Else's Problem.

An S.E.P. can be seen if caught by surprise, or out of the corner of one's eye.

The important lesson is to make sure that somebody else's problem doesn't become your problem.

(. . . and yes, I do realize that this attitude does run in conflict with my signature line. . . Let's just mark this one up to Cognitive Dissonance)
 
I'm not sure this is a smart response either.

My wife and I never eat out anymore but we had a rule that if either one of us told the other "I need a cigarette" (neither one of us smoke) we dropped whatever we were doing and left immediately. That would be an "I need a cigarette" moment.

Apologies in advance to those of you who are going to tell me how I'm not very civic-minded. But that would include being Witness. "I didn't see anything." "I didn't hear anything." "I have no idea what you're talking about."

WRT the poster whose family was approaching the store as the thieves were walking out, if they had any brains at all they turned around, went back to their car and left.
 
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