FN FiveSeveN...not just for the King's Men anymore

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I don't know what possessed me at the time, but I picked up a FN FiveSeveN at the local Gunhaus yesterday afternoon. A few hundred rounds of ammo are on the way and should arrive tomorrow, at which point I'll actually be able to shoot the thing. I was able to secure a lot from AcuSport at $18/50, which is not exactly cheap, but the ammo will hopefully get cheaper as the caliber becomes more common. Right now, the ammo situation and price point reminds me of the .357SIG when it just started to hit the market.

This is the the "product-improved" USG variant that is used by the US Secret Service. It has a less bulbous trigger guard than the previous variants, and checkering instead of button stippling on front and backstrap. It comes with three 20-round magazines, a nice handbook, cleaning tools, and the obligatory lawyer lock. Caliber is 5.7x28, of course.

First impressions: The gun is about as big as a full-sized 1911, but very lightweight. I put it on the kitchen scale, and it weighs a little over 21 ounces empty. The trigger is light, less than five pounds, as the gun is SA only. It has a manual ambidextrous safety on the frame above the trigger which looks liknd of odd, but it is actually reasonably well positioned to be flicked off-safe by the trigger finger on the draw.

The checkering is sharp. It's easily as sharp as the 20 LPI checkering job on the Springfield Professional, and a tight grip will impress a waffle iron pattern into your hand. That's a no-slip grip, for sure.

The sights are adjustable. The rear sights is fairly low profile, but the front sight is the biggest sharkfin I've yet seen on a service pistol. No leather holsters with this baby, that's for sure. Sight picture is a three-dot pattern.

The ergonomics are good...the double-stack grip is wide front to back due to the dimensions of the round, but slim enough to not feel like a 2x4. In fact, it feels less bulky in my hand than a Glock 20/21. The gun points and balances well. The frame is entirely polymer, and the slide is steel with a polymer cover, so the whole thing looks and feels a lot like an airsoft or pellet gun, especially with the low weight.

We'll see how she shoots...range report to follow.

Here's the box and contents:

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And the gun itself again:

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This is the the "product-improved" USG variant that is used by the US Secret Service.
Hmmm . . . I thought the US Secret Service was using SIG pistols? When and why did they change to FN FiveSeveNs?
 
Are the mags double-stack all the way up to the feed lips, like rifle mags? The position of the safety makes me look askance; tell us it how it works in practice.
 
Yes, the magazine is double-stack all the way to the feedlips, like a rifle mag.

The front sight is very large, and will snag reliably in tight leather, so it'll have to be Kydex or Nylon for this puppy.

AKAIK, the Secret Service still issues the P229 in .357SIG for agent use, but they have adopted the FiveSeveN to be a companion piece to their FN P90s, I guess. No idea how many USSS agents carry the FN, or under which circumstances.
 
I'm not a 100% sure these should be available to the public. Rifles that penetrate body armor are one thing, they are hard to conceal, but one you could stick in a jacket pocket? Okay flame on. :fire:
 
alduro,

you can achieve the same level of penetration capability with a $100 CZ52 or Tokarev TT-33, or even shoot vastly more penetrative stuff out of a T/C Encore chambered in any of their rifle caliber offerings. All of the above can be easily hidden under a jacket.

Aren't we always harping on how it's not the tool, but the intent of the user?
 
i've been looking at the usg on the back of the cdnn catalog for a while now, wondering, if it's for me... if i make it to knoxville this year, any chance a fellow board member could get some QT with it??


although cdnn won't show it to you on the site, they advertise the ss192 for $17/50.. and free ups...
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if i make it to knoxville this year, any chance a fellow board member could get some QT with it??

Sure. Let me know when you'll be in town, and we'll go to the range. Try it out before you drop the cash on one.
 
Conga-Rats on the sweet new gun!

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how long 'till the PRK bans um?
or are they already banned here? :cuss: :banghead:

If I had the money I'd love to have one.
 
Yeah, thats a cool gun, I would like to have one of those if the $$$ in pocket were there, maybe next year if they are still around.
 
One thing's for sure...you won't be developing any recoil sensitivities from that piece, unless .22LR makes you flinch. :D

Have shot Yojinbo's 5-7 Tactical, the SA/DA version. You might check in with him via PM for sources of ammo, etc.


Ugly, yes. And scary. It's only a matter of time before a domestic US manufacturer decides to turn out some straight-up ball ammo for it, instead of that goofy SS192 stuff.
 
If things continue FN is going to make a LOAD of money off me :neener:

I want one of the PS90 semi auto P90s, plus one of these

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FS2000 semi autos

Now that the double circle trigger guard is gone and 20 round mags are available for the 5.7 I'll have to buy another one to replace the IOM I sold. :D
 
I'm not a 100% sure these should be available to the public. Rifles that penetrate body armor are one thing, they are hard to conceal, but one you could stick in a jacket pocket? Okay flame on.

There's two kinds of ammo for this. The stuff designed to defeat body armor isn't readily available for civilians to own. The so-called "practice rounds" are.
 
There's two kinds of ammo for this. The stuff designed to defeat body armor isn't readily available for civilians to own. The so-called "practice rounds" are.

Even the standard 5.7 "practice rounds" will defeat most vests, but then so will .22 Mag, 7.62x25, .17 HMR, .30 Carbine...
 
I'm not a 100% sure these should be available to the public. Rifles that penetrate body armor are one thing, they are hard to conceal, but one you could stick in a jacket pocket? Okay flame on.
The 5.7x28mm in the form of hollow point "practice" ammo will penetrate threat level III kevlar, but it doesn't do it a whole lot better than an AMT Automag spitting out CCI TNT/Maxi-Mag .22mags.

I wish people wouldn';t make such a big deal about its armour piercing capabilities. That's how we get our guns banned.
There are already many guns that will do the same thing like .22mag revolvers and autos, .17HMR revolvers, revolvers in .30 carbine, .22 Hornet, and on and on. whats to stop a criminal from cutting the stock and barrel off of a .22mag Cricket? Laws restricting guns only work on law abiding citizens, does that make any sense?
 
I recently did some 5.7x28 penetration testing, here's my results:

Cut up some 2x6" fir boards I had used as concrete forms several years ago for a penetration test and screwed them together.
The 7.62x25 round shot from a Tokarev got 5" of penetration.
The 5.7x28 SS192 (hollow point ) got about 3 3/4" of penetration.
Where the Tokarev bullet went straight for the 5" of penetration, the 5.7 round went straight for only 1 1/2" then traveled in a 40 degree angle for the 3 3/4" of travel with 3 3/8" penetration.
One bullet traveled in an upwards direction where another traveled downward.
Bullets traveled about 1 1/2 to 1 7/8" higher or lower than the inttal entry point.
Another 5.7 round entered at the top of the wood where it was cut out on a 45 degree angle. It went through about 3/8 to 1/2" of wood then went 5" till it hit the next 3/8" point of wood where the bulllet tumbled and entered with its nose straight up.
For a comparson, I shot a AR15 with a 16" barrel at the same wood target set up and at the same distance of 25 feet and the AR shot through 13" and zipped out the back so I'm not sure how deep the AR would have penetrated.
I added 22lr, 45acp and 9mm to Five-Seven vs. Tokarev Penetration Test using the same boards and same distance. The 45acp FMJ from a HK USPc got 2 1/8" of penetration. The 9mm FMJ from a HK P-7 got 3 1/2" of penetration and the 22lr from a Colt 6" revolver got 3/4" of penetration. The .22's were hollow points and I need to reshoot this with .22 solids to more closely match the other calibers results.

To recap here are the penetration depths.

7.62x25 ---5"
9mm ------ 3 1/2"
7.5x28 ----3 3/8"
45acp ----- 2 1/8"
.22lr ------ 3/4"
.223 -------13"+

All rounds traveled in a straight line into the wood except the FN 5.7 which tumbled. The 5.7 rounds started to tumble at about 1 3/4" in depth. The 5.7 rounds impacted near a knot in the wood and only tumbled to a depth of 2 1/2" due to the hard wood in the knot area.
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