Found a way to get rid of the Regular Low Ball Armslist People

[94045]

This is a much-fabricated pseudo-ad which would be a rare cherry-picked example, assuming that it existed.
In creating it you are simply trying to make a champion of the lowballer by characterizing the seller as an unscrupulous villain.

However, with such a hypothetical example the price asked would clearly NOT be fair and reasonable, and so the price you offered might then be a fair and reasonable counter offer. In other words NOT a lowball offer at all.

The reality though is that lowballers are those that simply jump on any ad that interests them, even if they are fair and reasonably priced, and then offer half as much, hoping to get something for nothing. Sometimes with the intent to repost and resell the gun for a higher price than the seller originally asked. These guys range from just annoying idiots up to opportunistic predators.

The point is that there is no reason why such offers deserve any respect or consideration. Such people are not customers and are no loss if repelled like the pirates they are.

The 98% Pistol does exist (actual asking price is $2,899). I can give you the phone number if your interested.

I have seen parts pistols just about that bad with redicilous asking prices. I admit that I may have slightly exaggerated on that one.

My point is sellers sometimes believe they have something of much greater value than most reasonable people would value it at.

On the other hand their are buyers who see a vintage $1600 Dollar (Fair market value) GI 1911 as just another old worn out pistol and don't value it at that level (and don't have a clue about a collectors market).

An example of this is my Great Grandfather's 28 ga Parker that most members of the family saw as just an old gun in an obsolete gauge so it spent 75 years in the back corner of a coat closet. A family member tried to trade it to me for an old Rem Model 11 (Browning Pat) 20 ga and wanted to know how much I would want to boot. Again this is an extreme example but I'm just saying some people are just naive and not actually trying to flip it.

 

[Old Stumpy]

On the other hand their are buyers who see a vintage $1600 Dollar (Fair market value) GI 1911 as just another old worn out pistol and don't value it at that level (and don't have a clue about a collectors market).

There are those people out there.
And I did say that some lowballers were just idiots. It follows then that some may just be making lowball bids because they don't understand the value of the gun. Still, if the seller is asking $1600 for the pistol, he is not going to entertain $800 no matter what you say, so why bother?

 

[Waveski]

These guys range from just annoying idiots up to opportunistic predators.
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Annoying idiots, sure.
Predators? A guy who drives across 3 states to sell water in a scene of national disaster for $20 a pop is a predator. A gut who robs the weak at gunpoint is a predator. No one forces a seller to accept an unrealistically low offer. A seller who does accept an unrealistically low offer either doesn't know any better or just doesn't care. If a person takes on the task of selling a firearm in public there comes with that act some level of responsibility to know what the gun is worth. By the same token , the seller has some responsibility to refrain from selling to a buyer of obviously dubious background or intent.
How about pointing that out as an aspect of overall gun ownership responsibility?

 

[P5 Guy]

No thank you my price is firm.

 

[Old Stumpy]

No one forces a seller to accept an unrealistically low offer. A seller who does accept an unrealistically low offer either doesn't know any better or just doesn't care. If a person takes on the task of selling a firearm in public there comes with that act some level of responsibility to know what the gun is worth. By the same token , the seller has some responsibility to refrain from selling to a buyer of obviously dubious background or intent.

1) It's interesting how you villify the seller for simply wanting to sell his gun for a fair and reasonable price, yet paint the lowballer as just an innocent little lamb. According to you the seller is a fool, so he deserves no honesty or consideration.

2) I never said that a seller should not know what his gun is worth. If he did not know then how could he price it fairly and reasonably in the first place?

3) It is absolutely true that a seller should not sell his gun for an unrealistically lowball offer. If a buyer attempts to obtain said gun for half of a fair and reasonable price then that buyer could well be exhibiting the dubious intent that you refer to. He wants to cheat you.
Either that or he is marvelously stupid and uninformed.

4) As such, demonstrably a lowballer may well be an opportunistic predator or simply an idiot, as I said.

I get the impression that you would claim that the victim is responsible for his own mugging.

 

[edwardware]

Predators? A guy who drives across 3 states to sell water in a scene of national disaster for $20 a pop is a predator.

Really? Would you rather drink your $20 bill? You would be free to do so, but if the "guy" comes, at least you have a choice instead of no choice.

Demand pricing stimulates supply; if you don't like the price, drink your cash instead.

 

[Waveski]

1) It's interesting how you villify the seller for simply wanting to sell his gun for a fair and reasonable price, yet paint the lowballer as just an innocent little lamb. According to you the seller is a fool, so he deserves no honesty or consideration.

No , I did not vilify the seller , nor did I suggest that the lowballer is an "innocent little lamb".

3) It is absolutely true that a seller should not sell his gun for an unrealistically lowball offer. If a buyer attempts to obtain said gun for half of a fair and reasonable price then that buyer could well be exhibiting the dubious intent that you refer to. He wants to cheat you.
Either that or he is marvelously stupid and uninformed.

It is the choice of the seller to accept or refuse an offer , plain and simple. A low(ball) offer does not constitute cheating , it is simply a low offer. Annoying maybe , but nothing more than a low offer.

... demonstrably a lowballer may well be an opportunistic predator...

Is this a free market society or not? I have made quite a few online sales. I have received lowball offers ; such offers come with nearly every listing. A while back I listed a S&W 357 for around $575. I was asked if I would take $400. My response was "NO". Works every time.

I did not feel as though I was someone's prey. The guy was not hiding in the bushes outside my door. Opportunist...? Yes , by definition. Annoying ? Sure. Jerk? Ok. Predator? C'mon already!

 

[Waveski]

Really? Would you rather drink your $20 bill? You would be free to do so, but if the "guy" comes, at least you have a choice instead of no choice.

Demand pricing stimulates supply; if you don't like the price, drink your cash instead.

If you think it's ok to gouge folks who are desperately in need , that's your business. I think that such opportunism is immoral.
And we are straying off topic.

 

[Old Stumpy]

It is the choice of the seller to accept or refuse an offer , plain and simple. A low(ball) offer does not constitute cheating , it is simply a low offer. Annoying maybe , but nothing more than a low offer.

If you think it's ok to gouge folks who are desperately in need , that's your business. I think that such opportunism is immoral.

Seems like a bit of a contradiction in philosophies, don't you think?

 

[Elkins45]

Seems like a bit of a contradiction in philosophies, don't you think?

There’s a difference between hobby gun transactions during normal times and essential needs in an disaster situation. This has become the 22LR price gouging argument all over again.

 

[Waveski]

Mr. Stumpy ,
If you cannot distinguish between profiteering and gouging people in need of basic sustenance vs offering a low price on a completely elective purchase , well , then that's the way it is. I'm pretty sure that Augustus McCrae would be disappointed in you at this point.
I yield the floor.

 

[Old Stumpy]

I'm pretty sure that Augustus McCrae would be disappointed in you at this point.

This is getting silly. Bye.

 

[JohnKSa]

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