Fox News : Sonic, Chili’s join restaurants with no-guns policy

[Midwest]

Fox News : Sonic, Chili’s join restaurants with no-guns policy

This is starting to really hit the media now, Fox News picked up the story from USA today. I'm sure Mom's and Bloomberg are happy over this...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/0...urants-with-no-guns-policy/?intcmp=latestnews



"USA Today said Chipotle implemented its no-gun policy after protests two weekends ago by the gun rights group Open Carry Texas. Other places where guns aren’t welcome are Starbucks, Wendy's, Jack In The Box, and Applebee’s. "

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[ugaarguy]

Yep, the in your face open carry advocates are doing more harm than good.

 

[docsleepy]

Well if the store posts a sign I may go elsewhere, otherwise no one will ever know, with me.

 

[glove]

2 more places that will not get my money.

 

[vamo]

Honestly I can't say I blame these businesses if the alternative is having these people scaring away all the other customers. We had a great thing going when starbucks of all places had a policy of making no rules more stringent than local law. Then the "advocates" had to ruin it.

 

[hso]

I think CNN is misrepresenting, along with Fox, the company positions. They've asked that posturing and posing with firearms not take place in their stores. No open carry,...PLEASE.

They've not posted their premises.

I will personally patronize these business and let their managers know I'm a 2A advocate and appreciate the difficult position the Chipotle Chumps and their ilk put them in.

 

[carbine85]

These guys that want to go around and open carry like that are doing more harm than good. I don't blame the businesses for the ban. It's bad for business to have show -offs and protests in your business.
I believe they both stated that open carry isn't allowed, they didn't address concealed carry.

 

[Ben86]

Show offs in MS started to create a lot of backlash last year. Now most of the hysteria has died down and a lot of the businesses that were worried have either taken their no guns signs down or have signs only banning open carry.

Open carry is really something that must be tread lightly or it will have a negative effect on all gun owners.

 

[barnbwt]

I think CNN is misrepresenting, along with Fox, the company positions. They've asked that posturing and posing with firearms not take place in their stores. No open carry,...PLEASE.

No kidding. It's becoming painfully obvious this is anti's gloating over some perceived victory, even though these businesses weren't and likely never would ever be 'on our side' in any meaningful capacity (nor the anti's side in any meaningful capacity, btw). This is the closest they've gotten to "national level anything" in the last...decade?

TCB

 

[Deaf Smith]

Any store that has a no-gun sign, in Texas, means if you don't have a CHL then it's criminal trespass (B misdemeanor.) Always been that way.

Personally, I wish these OC zealots would go home. Dragging rifles and shotguns into stores is not going to win any friends.

Deaf

 

[herrwalther]

I think CNN is misrepresenting, along with Fox, the company positions. They've asked that posturing and posing with firearms not take place in their stores. No open carry,...PLEASE.

They've not posted their premises.

I will personally patronize these business and let their managers know I'm a 2A advocate and appreciate the difficult position the Chipotle Chumps and their ilk put them in.

The media misreporting to sensationalize the populace? Nah, that NEVER happens

Any company that is trying to dissuade issues with open carry are taking what Starbucks did: asking politely. It would not surprise me if most people who carry never hear about this policy as Sonics, Chipotles, and Chilis are not being posted as such. And this way the companies can say "We did something."

 

[Green Lantern]

I think CNN is misrepresenting, along with Fox, the company positions. They've asked that posturing and posing with firearms not take place in their stores. No open carry,...PLEASE.

They've not posted their premises.

I will personally patronize these business and let their managers know I'm a 2A advocate and appreciate the difficult position the Chipotle Chumps and their ilk put them in.

They've not posted against CCW? Cool to know. If I still HAD a local Sonic, I might offer them some support too....

 

[Thermactor]

Two more restaurants to Boycott, Divest and Sanction. Keep it up..

 

[Yellow Jacket]

All of the Sonic's in my area are drive in's only.

How would anyone know if you were carrying or not unless they walk up and peer through your windows?

 

[AABEN]

I hope that some day they will change there way.

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

How the heck will they ever know whether I have a weapon on my person or vehicle? This is all nothing more than political posturing by spineless corporate cowards. I merely laugh to myself and keep my mouth shut at such nonsense.

 

[MachIVshooter]

I can wholeheartedly appreciate businesses not tolerating open carry of long guns. They are an offensive weapon, unlike the primary role of a personal sidearm in defense. For many, they conjure images of war zones. For others, they think of spree shooters murdering children. Only in select circumstances is public carrying of rifles not going to put (everybody) off, and that would be something like 2A rallies at capitols, complete with signs and speakers, where it's quite obvious that it is a political statement. Otherwise, there's just no call to do it. I understand that in TX you can't OC a handgun, but it's quite clear at this point that the OC of long guns is not helping that situation.

I mean, seriously-I'm pro gun in the extreme, but I wouldn't want my customers hanging out waiting on their vehicle repairs with an AK at the low ready.......especially if they looked like those two Chipotle knuckleheads.

There's just no good reason to do it in the USA. And if there is, you're somewhere you really shouldn't be.

All of the Sonic's in my area are drive in's only

I'm not aware of any that have indoor customer accomodations. A few outdoor tables under a common roof with the building, but otherwise, yeah...served in your private vehicle.

 

[barnbwt]

I'd give it ~6mos after the headlines die down before they go back to the way things was

All of the Sonic's in my area are drive in's only

That's actually a hilarious observation. Further proof that that these 'policy changes' are mere cheap words thrown to the restive anti's rather than a real endorsement/condemnation.

can wholeheartedly appreciate businesses not tolerating open carry of long guns. They are an offensive weapon, unlike the primary role of a personal sidearm in defense.

My first instinct on the issue is to agree, but then I remembered the line between rifle, carbine, PDW, and pistol is already a blurry continuum, which threatens to become blurrier as the .gov realizes SBRs laws can no longer be legally enforced. Think about it; there are stocked pistols like the VZ61 scorpion that are smaller, lighter, and less powerful than a Desert Eagle, which are actually more suited to defense than a giganto-pistol, and yet the law would give them no deference. What if a single Hi Point is all a guy can afford; do we really want to force him to use the crappier pistol over the generally-reported-better carbine just because of a law?

I think deferring to individual discretion on weapon choice is appropriate; deferring to them carrying at low ready with one in the chamber? Not so much. We're allowed to carry FMJ rounds even though over penetration collateral damage is our liability; if a guy wants to defend himself with a 50-90, he's free to do so in my book, but will incur a hell of a lot more personal risk in the calculation (which is why people won't do so in practice )

TCB

 

[MisterMike]

Yep, the in your face open carry advocates are doing more harm than good.

Absolutely. Honestly, as someone who carries regularly, I'd be nervous about having these dipsticks in the same restaurant. There's something wrong with anyone who does not recognize that their conduct is intimidating to a great many people who otherwise tilt toward 2A rights.

 

[USAF_Vet]

While Sonic is drive in/ up car service, they also have a walk up window and outdoor seating.

In related news, and I'll see if I can find the link, a Chipotle restaurant played temporary host to a MDA meeting, until management asked the MDA group to leave, citing extremely rude and foul behavior.

Also in related news, the day Sonic corporate offices announces their 'no OC long guns' policy, a Sonic restaurant was robbed at gun point. The two events, while ironic, are unrelated.

 

[JohnKSa]

Two more companies added to the list of corporations who are likely to oppose the passage of handgun OC in TX.

I'm beginning to think that there's no chance for getting handgun OC passed here now. I just hope we can get things calmed down before this SNAFU generates enough voter support to get long gun carry restricted in TX.

 

[hso]

Why can't the business just eject the specific persons that are causing the problems?

Because they don't have magic lunatic detectors (although, it is a pretty sure bet that anyone showing up in a restaurant with an AR or AK at port arms and a closed bolt on a magazine is a bit loony) and don't want to spin up some crackpot. I sure don't want to be the manager that confronts someone with a rifle at the ready just assuming that they're just an attention hound instead of someone that will shoot me intentionally, or negligently.

 

[barnbwt]

In related news, and I'll see if I can find the link, a Chipotle restaurant played temporary host to a MDA meeting, until management asked the MDA group to leave, citing extremely rude and foul behavior.

Well, at least we can rest easy knowing our/their worst elements are no better than each other (and therefore self-limiting)

I sure don't want to be the manager that confronts someone with a rifle at the ready just assuming that they're just an attention hound instead of someone that will shoot me intentionally, or negligently.

Question; how does a corporate policy change this in any way? A loony nutjob won't care if he's there to do ill, and I still fail to see how mere OC (which, admittedly, your 'at the ready' scenario is beyond mere OC) translates into a lack of safety more than CC does. The only people the policy will deter are (some) attention hounds and politically-minded gun owners. Both groups are law-abiding citizens, and only one of these groups is even tangentially problematic. But if the rule deters even one jerk, it's likely worth it from a business perspective, which is why I support the moves; they are well within the rights of the business owners. Just so long as these aren't followed by laws (and I don't see why they necessarily must follow; there's no law about people being required to wear shoes like most stores require their customers)

TCB

 

[JohnKSa]

Question; how does a corporate policy change this in any way?

That's missing the point in a big way.

The issue is that these demonstrators have created a situation in which these corporations feel like they need to change and publicly state their policies to restrict the display of firearms on their premises.

THAT IS A BAD THING. Maybe it's not a horribly bad thing, in and of itself, but it is a bad thing. We don't want to motivate organizations who have previously been neutral (or at least haven't publicly announced anti-gun polices) to come out with anti-gun policies.

What's worse is that the demonstrators think they are doing a good thing. It's very disturbing that there are a number of persons out there who are actively undertaking a strategy that is harmful to the cause of advancing gun rights, all the while thinking that they are doing just the opposite.

This isn't really about the companies. Their actions are understandable and predictable. This is about promoting/defending the cause of firearm rights and about the group of persons who are (although perhaps well-meaning) engaging in activities that are antithetical to that goal.

 

[winchester1886]

I'm a CHL holder and I am from Texas. I do not favor open carry and all the nuts carrying long guns into businesses are doing all of us harm.